Not only has this man asked for "free time", but I am sitting at my computer and here comes this email from him stating "I know that I have asked you about free sessions before, but how much will it for you to see me at a discount?".  Next thing you know, I am getting emails forwarded to me with titles like "this man sucks!"...and it's the SAME EMAIL to other providers.  Let me tell you, this man got a few choice words from me and he emailed me back, apologizing, and with the nerve to say "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you, but I wasn't asking for anything free this time".  OH, THANKS TONY!  I have never met you, but as long as you are not asking for anything FOR FREE, anything ele is fine!

Ladies and gentlemen, this man is awful.  Very few people can rub me the wrong way, but this man has no respect for any of us, men and women...PLEASE STOP HIM!!!

On a lighter note...Happiest of Holidays to all who celebrate!
Lots of Love...
Kandee

As long as you providers continue to give him free sessions and go to his parties he'll be around.  What do you expect.

Badpuppy why did you say as long as you providers go?Why not have said if providers continue to go?I have never been to one of his parties before but do get invites but just simlpy dont go.
   He asked me once for a free session i said no and that was it.Kandee you can ignore his emails and do what i do.PUSH DELETE BABE!
LATER
jordan kay

This is my plea to the men and women who do patronize him.  You're not one of the "people" on the board who has nothing better to do than be a nasty a-hole, are you?

. . . a personalized, perfume-scented Christmas card from you either?!  LOL!

To the other hobbyists out there, there is a line between negotiation and being tacky, and some people don't know where that is.  As far as I am concerned, if a lovely provider likes you, you end up spending more time with her than the designated period - THAT's the hobbyist's bonus (and PS: you don't kiss-and-tell about it either).

I swear, it's that same "my-God-given-right" attitude you get when you are waiting to turn right out of the mall, the traffic is backed up, and no one will let you in.  Just try have a great holiday in spite of it all.

I too got the same email and I expect for this man to leave me alone along with the rest of the reputable ladies out there. I never attended any of his parties or partook of the "free session for a review" so it's not us that you need to admonish but the man himself. He really has no clue so it's really you guys that show up to his parties and encourage his shady behavior that need to stop.

This guy obviously has no class. But Jordan Kay is right: the delete button works just fine. I am going to Phoenix this month and am so excited and delighted to be able to see a couple of providers while I'm there.

I'll tell you, my gifts will be given gladly for the sweet companionship provided by very classy women. I would never insult them to suggest free time or a discount. I myself am in a one-product/service business. I am not like Wal-Mart where I can sell detergent at a discount and make it up on fabric softener. I think suggested donations are very reasonable, and I feel lucky to be able to spend time with them.

When I can't afford a gift, I'll simply save my money and wait until I can. Meanwhile, Phoenix, here I come!!!

Kandee,
You need not be so public about this. When someone comes to you privately, you should keep it that way. PRIVATE!!! You make it a bigger issue by going to public boards. If I were to do that to you, I would be worse than you for being so derogatory . Why take this to a place that  this has no business being on? You gave your response privately, but now "Miss High & Mighty", you went ahead and made it public. Who has more class? Someone who goes to the individual privately or some "Loudmouth" that has to be so vocal? This type of POST show's little class on your part as well for placing it on the public board. Had you kept this between you & I, it would have been just fine. I guess you did not get the attention you wanted to as a child so now you and any other provider that wants to post a reply to this "Crybaby" post will get the attention they crave. Boo hoo. Stop being such a baby & grow up already!!!!

Jim_Dandy...if you're not careful, you're going to get a perfume-scented me when we finally meet!  Happy Holidays!!!

I believe there are way bigger fish to fry here than T-man. Unfortunately several people were approached with this scenario by T-MAN. The problem is no one new to the internet has a clue as to his behavior. I have been working here for over 6 years and recently (in the last year) found the internet as a means of referals and advertising, before that I simply had a few good regulars and friendly referals.
I met T-MAN and I even did a discounted session with him in exchange for a review... Not a good one just an honest one. I know of several providers who have and a few who have even done the freebies, if they would all openly admitt it or not is a whole different story, though some already have. The thing is if the existing providers made more of an effort to meet the incoming providers there would be an opportunity not only to make good contacts and put a memory with the photos online or the voice at the end of the phone, but to warn them of certain goings on or other useful info.
 I have been online actively since February or March and still have only met one other Provider in Person, I have only talked with a handful of others on the phone searching for referals. All those that I have made contact with seem to be very exceptional women and also very sweet. The point is we are not in High School ... this is a profession (really... even though way more fun than any other job I could find... lol) and NOT a bunch of little cliques. I am not saying that everyone has to get along and hang out with each other, but everyone should have the courtesy to WARN others of a sticky situation. If someone called you for a referal and the guy seemed nice, but for some reason gave you the willy jillys would you allow the other provider to go see the guy without telling them just that?
 I have offered information on a client who I wasn't personally afraid of out to the public medium because I was afriad he might hurt someone else. That was just because he was threatening me via phone calls and e-mails. After I offered the information for public viewing I was contacted by three other providers who had issues with this slug. So why don't we create a shit list.
 When I worked for agencies every agency had one and some even shared them. They simply contained the date, location, name or alias of slug, a brief detail of what happened- example only wants to pay half up front then never pays the other, physically violent, threatening, attempted to take money from the girl, vebally abusive towards the girl, tried continuously break girls boundaries or rules, was filthy and smelled... like a PIG ...was a PIG/ LE ...lol
 We should simply start a list and add to it as needed... when a new girl comes along she will get a copy and an invite to add to it when neccesary. That would give all providers an opportunity to use thier own discretion as to the extent of contact with a client on the list and be forwarned of certain behaviors that are deemed distateful. Believe me not everyone will have the same experience with client and it by no means will guaruntee a client on the list won't be seen. It will just give some forwaring on the bad and the potentially bad ones.
 I hope no one takes offense where offense need not be taken. All slugs... in case you don't already no what I think of you go to ... Well, I guess it is my turn to take my own advice reach out and try to meet some new faces again by saying "Hey Ladies, anyone for coffee or calzones? Well call me whenver you get a chance then..." And yes Kandee if you feel like it you can even add T-man... lol

Tmans response shows his true self and true lack of class.  When confronted by someone  mighty he resorts to name calling and a continued attempt  to exert some self inflated idea of  power and influence.  Unfortunately this may have worked before  on some  people who did not have the self confidence  or self respect to tell him no.
His behaviour at trying to barter for a good "review" is well known and taints his posts, reviews, and site. Remember this when you are deciding who to see.  If this was something he was proud of he would not have had such a reaction  to Kandee's post.   Ladies have  confidence  and demand the respect you deserve.  Gents simple respect goes a long way.   Bravo to Kandee and all the ladies who have  stood up, you are great!

I have had first hand info from a few ladies that were popped by sheriff joe, that they were set up for investigation through information obtained from an internet list. They had each weekly email printed out and highlighted along with girls photos, newspaper ads and website info. Granted they can't use it as a main source of evidence but they sure can use it to book appointments under false user names, get other providers names to use as a reference and also get the review jargon down. Also a fairly well known west side massage parlor was raided and the officers told the owner they found incriminating information on the therapists from an internet email list and other internet sites. Yes it is all heresay, until proven in court, but why give them any more information?? It's a slippery slope that we all climb when playing this game. Play Safe!

a big lack of respect and a childish attitude in handling the situation. You have nobody to blame but yourself that the email you sent to Kandee was made public. YOU were the one who chose to send it and have had other providers angry about it before!Asking for discounts or freebies is totally disrespectful as far as I and many others are concerned. It's also terribly tacky and you've been told this time and time again by many people but still don't learn from it.

When you sent that email to Kandee it became hers to do whatever she wished with it. She chose to show everyone here what you were doing. You appear to be the one who's being a child about it by getting pissed off and getting on her case because she exposed you and your routine. If you truly thought there's nothing wrong with asking a provider for a discount or freebie you wouldn't have a problem with your email being made public.






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I agree wholeheartedly with what you said about a shit list. But I would take it a step further....One shit list which any and evryone could add to. As opposed to a list for let's say Eros providers or Dave's List Providers. Because you know these guys go all over.I mean guys have this Forum and many others to post reviews about us. I think turnaround is fair play and we should be able to talk about their "shortcomings" ...excuse the pun.
For example, I was really tired one day and forgot to get the money up front, so I mentioned it in the middle of the session. When I did remember, and he said, "Oh come on baby, I'm not gonna rip you off or nothing, and he was being a little pushy, grabby and feely (and I was doing a massage)! When he was getting ready to go, he handed me $50. I said what's this? My rate is $250, He said, ""well, you know that's really all you was
worth. Anyway, what you gonna do? Call the Cops?" I could tell this guy was just looking for a fight so I just let it go and got him the Hell out of there.
Or Guys thaT STAND YOU UP, OR JERK YOU AROUND OR WHATEVER, WE NEED A PLACE WE CAN ALL GO TO TO SEE IF THE GUY WE'RE GeTTING READY TO SEE is on the creep board....
And by the way, to all my fellow Providers, whom I've never met, May you and your families all have a Wonderful Happy and Healthy Holiday Season. " "The same to all the Gentlemen who are supportive and respectful of our efforts, the same to you and your families".

The way I see it, any review written by someone that recieves a free or discounted session in exchange for that review, is suspect. I immediately discount ALL reviews written by that person. Any girl that allows herself to fall prey to this type of coercion is looked at with a great deal of skepticism, and opens herself up to more abuse from future suitors.

Kandee, I think you have done the entire board a tremendous service by exposing this fraud.

Thank you

JJ

Sorry T-Man... I have to agree with what was said. I thought you had learned your lesson and had stopped the freebie propositions and discount propositions based on your past experiences. I guess you may not learn things the easy way.

Suspect them all you want... I was trying to be honest, a quality that is apparently very unappreciated in such narow minded people. Frankly if someone is trying to be my judge and jury on something like this I would not want to see them anyways. I put it this experience out  there in the open because I wanted others to learn from my experience and learn maybe another way to prevent this from happening again. Not because I wanted everyone to question my reviews or abuse me. I have earned all of my reviews including one I did for T-man at a discount and I am not afraid of anything I have done or not done. I give discounts when I run Specials. So what is wrong with a discount in this business every now and then.
I also was never coerced or simply succomed to something because I was stupid. I knew perfectly well what I was doing. I am one of the brighter M&Ms in the jar, in fact I got in this business to put myself through college, after I graduated High School a YEAR early and with National Merit Honors, by the way. Not to mention I was on the Dean's Honor List on more than one occasion. I have been very successful in this business and I felt I was making a smart business move by getting a review by the founder of a local review board, which I was made aware of before I had ever even heard of TER. That was my point. No one ever warned me about this continous issue that had been going on with T-man before I ever even hit the scene.
 I was new on the internet scene and maybe I still am. I have been working in the valley for almost seven years off and on. Up untill the last year I had never advertised anywhere. I had word of mouth referals from clients to friends and a substantial group of regulars that I had gained over the course of time with various agencies and moonlighting at strip clubs and other nite clubs.
 I simply made a desicion that seemed to be a smart business move. I was uninformed and in a sense felt shut out other providers. That was before I became aquainted with TER where more reputable providers where. I was hung up on, never called back, and cussed out for asking for a referance from some non-TER providers on eros and other local advertisements. One girl even answered the phone while F#$%ing a client and says "Hey I don't remember the guy, okay, and I am busy right now, got it?"  
 So you can talk all you want about my reviews being questionable or me being stupid enough to be coerced. I hope there a lot less narrow minded people in the world who will see me despite everything. I know there are enough people out there who have made unbiased reviews of my services and enjoyed the hell out of the time they spent with me, some even enjoyed my specials... at a discount... imagine that!! So I hope by now you know a little more about me and have the courtesy to apologize for being so ignorant and questioning my services, my intelligence and my reviews and doing so in such an unjustifiable manner!! Otherwise there is one little thing I can tell you about me...that I really could give a Rat's ass about what rude and ignorant people think about me!! Oh and pardon me for saying so, but if it doesn't apply to you don't be offended by it.

TaTa JJ

So, tell us which review is the honest one that he wrote for you.

...reviews given in trade for discounted or free service are automatically suspect. How can I trust them with such an obvious conflict of interest? Thus, any reviews from TMan are now effectively worthless to me, and I will ignore them in the future.

Plus, his haggling (begging) for discounted or free service and his messsage here both tell me he has a low opinion of providers in general. "You're meat, you're nothing more than something to barter over." Blech! No, thank you. Sure, we're paying for time and companionship, but I still want us both to enjoy the encounter. Demanding discounts and freebies is nothing more than a power-trip. I hope most providers have the self-respect to say no.

--b.

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I had the same problem and posted about it a couple of months ago. TMAN starts off nice and friendly, then BAM begging for a freebie. He said he was drunk and apoligized but to me thats no excuse. I continue to have no affillation with his post, and to be honest it never really helped when I did. I'll stick to Daves List and TER. A Freebie or Discount for a review is in no way an unbiased review. Although I think a great suggestion on TER is to allow a provider to comment on reviews they receive. Sometimes one can recieve a not so good review and their is a  perfectly good reasons for it. Like a client who chooses not to shower before they arrive and you just can't get into it. Just a thought But as far as TMAN goes, I suppose it shows you some people will follow just about anyone.

Kisses..

In your post you said you gave TMan a discounted session so he would give you an honest review.

Look I was dealing with someone who I did not know the history of. Because there was no forum to inform me of it. I asked yes for an honest review. I did not sit there and ask for a review that said I was the most drop dead gorgeous girl in the world and that I was the best he had ever had in his entire life and there was no one else who could compare to me ... ever. In fact I initially asked him not to put anything derogitory in the review at all because I had never been reviewed. Not to mention the fact I was very leery of being reviewed at all. As I said and will say for the benifit of those that can't seem to grasp the wonderful skill of using your brain, I was new to the internet scene. This is not an excuse just an explanation.

PS JJ are you having an issue with me for any good reason or are you suffering from SDS? Oh you don't know what that is... it is a synonym, Figure it out.

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jaejae might be missing the point. I believe she is saying that although she did give a discount for a review, at that point in time she was trying to make a business decision. Although looking back I believe she feels is wasn't a good one. Upon learning of TMANS reputation she doesn't agree with his tactics. I believe that those who continue to give discounts and freebies after learning of his ways are the ones that would deserve strong criticism. I think admitting to ones past mistakes is a bold thing to do. I do believe that all of us would agree that reviews in exchange for a discount is wrong. Sometimes we learn the hard way, but all that matters is that we learn.

Kisses,

Rub

Angel,
No, no issue with you. I am saying that any review that was written because of a discounted or free session is suspect. Much in the same way a restaurant review would be suspect if the reviewer were given a different menu to order from. I am not saying you are suspect or a bad person or anything like that. I'm sure you are wonderful and I appreciate your honesty. I think you misunderstood my statement about abuse. I'll drop the whole matter now.
I didn't mean to upset you or make you feel I was attacking you either, sorry.

PS I have a synonym for you ...SMD... You figure it out

Why don't you use yours??????

Yes someone is missing the point.

I wasn't attacking anyone in particular, and I'm sorry that Angel feels that I was singling her out.

Reviews that are written for a discounted or free session are suspect.
Remember, the men are the ones that use the reviews to determine who they will see. This is my POV and most likely, nearly every man on TER feels the same.

EOD

If he gets free or discounted sessions, how can you expect him to stop asking? Anyone who gave him the freebies or discounts for the reviews is the problem. They should also be removed from here, as how can we trust a provider who trades her trades for reviews?

His list is popular and has tons of contacts so i read it. I'm sorry you feel harrased but lots of people will still be using his list and calling people from it.
Im not supporting him or you here im just stating facts. His list is another form of semi-public advertising thats all anyone who see's it as more is simply incorrect.

Kandee, I am sorry this happened to you but then again I cannot apologize for someone elses ignorance.
Some men do not stop and realize that asking for a discount really can offend someone. I mean, its not like we are a candy store or a garage sale. We are offering something that is pure and part of us. Companionship means a lot. It doesnt come cheap. I do not know of one girl that has rates that are to expensive. When we are asked to bargin our rates, it is really tacky and just feels horrible. I hope that clients or prospective clients can relate.

Okay, I understand where everyone is coming from. I mean I really do... The point is if you want to question my credability then we are going to bump heads. The reason I let it be known that I had done a discounted session(and by the way this is not the first time I let it be known, ask Rub about when she had posted about her problem with T-man) in the first place was becuase I felt I had made a smart business move. T-man gave me the first review I ever had out here and even kept it very clean because I was leery of being reviewed at all.  I thought reviews = getting busted. He never reviewed me on TER and we all know that was because he had been banned from posting reviews.I was unaware that this was an ongoing issue with him because I was new to the net and also because there was no place for me to check that type of information out. Oh his Idenity verified, but not histrying to form a list of some type by doing this and I thought by doing so it would keep others new to the net from going through the same thing. I apologize for beingb business savy and failing to know someone's alterior motives and past history.

This is what I get for responding back. Why is Kandee allowed to have an opinion , yet when I state mine, many of you say that I am childish? I knew that she could have her say, but please allow me to do the same. Hobbyist that have their opinion on this please do not fault providers that are my friends. They can not control my actions & I feel it is not fair to fault them for backing me up in any way. This is a one sided issue & an unfair one.

Lyn,

Normally you can not post using two different names in the same thread. Under the circumstances I will let it go

By the way, if there is a listing for reviews to the right of the poster's name, then that is their handle and not an alias. Although that doesn't mean much. Some people only post to the boards under an alias so that no one will know when they post reviews.

First I have to say I love Sky.  She is a sweet and wonderful person.

Second.  There is a way to see providers in a cost range that almost anyone can afford.

Daves list and TMans Post offer methods of seeing people at a lower price.

I think that if what Tony is doing offends people he should try to find a way to sell his services in a manner that is less offensive.  Perhaps charge girls and guys for his Post.

The reality is guys want sex for free and girls want to charge enough to make it worth their time.

Perhaps I missed it but I didn't see anyone here say that you weren't allowed to have or state an opinion. (In fact, you were the one that stated to Kandee, "When someone comes to you privately, you should keep it that way. PRIVATE!!! You make it a bigger issue by going to public boards.") It was the manner in which you expressed it that made you look childish. You were calling her childish with your, "I guess you did not get the attention you wanted to as a child so now you and any other provider that wants to post a reply to this "Crybaby" post will get the attention they crave. Boo hoo. Stop being such a baby & grow up already!!!!" Does that sound like something a mature person would say? It sounds very insensitive and immature to me and I'm sure many others here.

This issue is neither unfair or one sided. Kandee has the right to feel the way she does about it and you have the right to feel the way you do and there will people who agree with one or the other of you... two totally separate sides. Kandee voiced her feelings and you voiced yours so what is unfair?

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and to expressing them but nobody is entitled to be rude and disrespectful to others in the process of sharing them.

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would be to include his offer to the providers in the intro to his list and leave it up to any interested providers to contact him about it. That way the offer is out there to anyone who is not offended by and would like to take advantage of it without bothering others.

You're absolutely right Rick, "The reality is guys want sex for free and girls want to charge enough to make it worth their time." That being the case, I would say that for those who want it for free you need to stay away from the professionals ;o)

as i have told you many times, when you trade reviews for sessions i can no longer trust your reviews. I thought you had stopped doing so a while ago. Now i find out that your still going strong. Frankly i dont care if you get a freebie or not however if you say you will stop certain behaviors then you should stop them.

just my 2 cents

to the moderator of this board.Please remove all of my responses to this post regarding this issue. This way at least I will have removed my negative responses to this unnessary posting. I wish you would consider removing the whole posting thread but I know you will not. Please  remove my responses.Thank you.

TMAN

Sorry, but if you hadn't wanted to post you shouldn't have done so. If no one had commented on your responses then I might have done so. Just because you don't care for the direction a thread has taken doesn't mean you can have it taken down when you wish.

Except sometimes professionals can be less expensive.  Especially to the married guys.  Not me of course

Whether you're buying them drinks at a bar in the hopes of getting lucky after last call or you're doing the dinner and dancing/movie or whatever in the hopes of getting lucky you're paying for it.

You pay the highest price of all when you marry her and you usually end up with the least amount of 'luck' ;o)

T,
man, i cut and pasted your thing and still have received no response

Moe
Without being rude would you ask a dog to stop chewing on a bone?  Tony could not stop his behavior if he wanted to change.  The fact is he told you what you wanted to hear because it served his purpose.

To all you women who give sex to Tony.  Would you give him more so he can leave the ladies that don't like him alone.

What happens when you write 1 of your bogus reviews and the girl decides that you are going to pay for the next session?
Do you delete your good (bogus) review? Sorry, it's already been emailed, can't do it.

Do you write a bad review? More likely what happens I suppose.