Everyone has them right?  Girls that don't show up on time, too many rules, etc.  Please allow me to share a couple of mine in so many words as I won't spell anything out in a public forum. Let me say this... I actually care about the ladies on my website.  I was once a provider and I refuse to allow certain things to go on.  I do not mean for this post to sound ugly but more of a "what not to do" when you are in the company of not only the ladies I work with but I bet I can speak for every single lady on this board because I've been around long enough.  

Staying overtime because we're both having fun or just because. It's still not cool. If an hour isn't enough time and 2 hrs is too much, ask for 90 mins. It doesn't mean we're clock watchers but this is a business and our time is valuable too.  
Kissing with a mouth full of saliva. Swallow first please.  
Or kissing with rough facial hair.  
Playing with the kitty with dry fingers. Please lubricate.  
Absolutely no teeth while daty.
For those who do, Stop trying to bbfs.  
Uncleanliness and halitosis is a total turn off.  
Last but not least, ask before spanking hard or pulling hair. Some ladies don't like it

But, go ahead and ban me now. My pet peeve is pimps and that is exactly what you are. You send these girls you care so much about out to fuck men and then take part of their earnings to support yourself. You USE others too support yourself. That being said you have some legit points. Personally, I would never do any of the above pet peeves. However, after your little rant something else I would never do is call your agency!!! Your mouth is hurting your business and the ladies you USE. I think you need to work on your people skills a bit.

referring to her as a pimp is, in my opinion, a bit harsh.  The term Pimp implies oppression, coercion and violence, hardly is that the case with this agency.  While an argument could be made that a pimp provides value, certainly the agency provides significant value in the form of services to the providers that work with them.  A well run agency performs referrals, screening, marketing, in-call services and the list goes on.  The relationship between a reputable provider and a reputable agency is mutually beneficial, is entered into willingly by both parties and is a business model that is used in many other main stream businesses.

We all want a safe hobby so I applaud your second paragraph. Yes, protect your providers, keep them safe and clean. Good for you, you are not a pimp, you help providers find safe clients. I believe you when you say, "I care about the ladies more than your wallet"
This is how I interpret your third paragraph; your number one priority is to protect your wallet. You say you have warned a couple of men who have tried to "get away with unsafe shit" which means a giving them a second chance but you will not tolerate, "I don't give second chances on this one" a client asking a provider to deal directly with him and cut out the middle man (in this case, the middle woman). Ok, now you are a pimp. Now you have said, and I am paraphrasing, "I care about my wallet more than the ladies". Kinda sounds like you are staking out your territory, your territory being the women themselves. Have you ever told your ladies, "if I ever find that you have negotiated directly with a client, I'm done with you"? Yes? You are a pimp.
It seems unlikely that your intention was to threaten your clients just because you want your cut of the action but it certainly seems to me that is exactly what you have done.
Please believe me when I say I hope this didn't come across wrong or hateful. That's truly not my intention either

Regarding staying over time...

I've had more than one lady mention the "white knights" that try to befriend them and "save them" so to speak. In the same sentence, these guys ask for a ladies phone number. C'mon, they don't want her number so they can "save her", palease! :p What some of you don't realize is that when you talk to us like, for example, "Why are you doing this when you're so much better than this?"  Well, you've just degraded her/us and what we choose to do for a living. You've just "labeled" us as someone lower than dirt. Of the ladies that mention this to me, they mention how bad these particular clients make them feel. One lady even said, "I wanted to punch him in his throat." (Figure of speech, not literally, of course). Another girl cried because of a clients comments.  

I was not going to respond to this post at first, but somethings need to be said about it.

I think sometimes we all forget, it's always two sides.  Just like in any business, if customers feel like the business does not care about there dollars or wants more money.  What happens, we go somewhere else to buy or in this case play!

I'm curious. What is the difference re: Pimp or Madam? It seems to me that it is just  gender.

I have used a few agencies (mostly Asian) and I am not going to debate the pros and cons of the point established.  

Anyone capitalizing on another person performing sexual acts on someone else is a pimp.  If you would not hire anyone who didn't perform then what are you?  A booking agent/assistant?  I don't know how anyone who does this could pretend to care about the woman they use. I chose to do what I do, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone nor would I want this life for my own daughter.  There are obvious dangers associated with our line of work. I don't know why anyone would want that responsibility unless it were just for ego and greed.

I don't believe that it is good business to solicit information from a provider that is employed by an agency. We all operate businesses and I know that if one of my clients attempted to hire one of my employees, I would not tolerate that underhanded business tactic. I do not think it is asking too much that us hobbyist treat the ladies with respect. Moreover, IMO I think that a hobbyist should maintain superlative hygiene before expecting his new friend to be intimate with him.  I really think these rules of engagement are reasonable. I have not done business with Ms. Star or Phx Girls agency only because of their policy of requiring that I produce my ID regardless of my references white list of many providers ETC.  Consider this, maybe some girls would prefer to work for an agency to avoid the everyday tasks of making appointments verifying etc...  I have always thought they have some beautiful girls on their site I would have loved to see.  Again disclosure of identity is never in the best interest legally, of either the client or the agency...

ALL of my dates go over the allotted time scheduled. I don't mind, especially since I'm usually the one that's talking too much anyway. Conversation is fun. We are relaxed and forget about the time. Oops.  

If I were  going to post it public, either here on the board or on my website (about clients respecting my time which is what I think Madison is trying to convey),  it's more than just a statement and plea to respect my time for the hundreds of eyes that may view it.  It was put out there to deter anyone who has the attitude that my time is not important. I would not post an hourly rate for time if I didn't mean it.  

Webster dictionary definition of a pimp.  

If somebody saying "why are you doing this your better than that" makes them feel that low then they already have issues with what they are doing.  

Because our work would become more accepted.  More women would probably flood the market (maybe more clients, too). You would no longer be seeking black market goods.  I've worked in Canada and rates were lower and it was legal.  Although I've worked in London. It was legal but still expensive.

Of course we don't know anything about you because you hide behind an alias. As such, your opinions really lack any substance or consideration. I can only assume you are very high volume and an extra couple of minute encroaches on your next date. Why do you feel the need to us an alias?

I am just speculating. You could be entirely right.  

Not high volume at all. I agree 10-15 mins over is cool. Like I said before, if one hour isn't enough and two is too many opt for 90 mins out of consideration.  

Well said Sedona...

So true, Which is all my dates are clockless ! Who needs a clock, Basic mutual communication gets the job done.

I didn't take offence to this post, because I'm not the kind of guy it was directed too. I have had my share of dates over the past 17 years where I've had little to no chemistry with a lady, but for the most part I enjoy my time with a provider so things go pretty well. Ive never once asked a woman to give me her private number, or tried to save them. When I was in my late 20's, I had two women then give me their private number. One was 35 and I was 26, I think she just liked banging a young guy. LOL She called me once and just came over on her own time. I wonder what ever happened to her. I thought she was so classy. The other gave me her number because we were the same age and I think she liked me, but I could never date someone I met thru an agency. Not sure what kind of guy tries to pick up a provider anyway? These are the same guys trying to pick up on strippers at the club!

Very well put! I agree.

Lets see......

...I keep an eye on the clock during a session so I always display respect for a woman's time. I've always found that ladies are quite adept at letting you know when the time is up by just getting up and start getting cleaned up and dressed. Or, she can just look at the clock and say, "Wow, look at the time! Sorry, but I've got to go." I'm definitely not a chatterbox so, if a lady wants to hang around and chat, that's fine, that's cool. But I'm not going to tip based on the time you stayed and we chatted. I'm not into paying for social time unless that time is prenegotiated at an extremely favorable rate to me. If I tip, it's based on the overall experience I've had with you and hanging out after a session usually doesn't enter into the equation, but it can. I would love to spend social time with most of the ladies I've met and I would guarantee her usual session rate for a repeat performance if I feel I would be up for it if her social time was very generous.

Just look at the responses and it will tell you fellow hobbyist all you need to know about how a provider really thinks about this hobby!  Also where your hard earned money really is appreciated!  It does not mean all providers are bad either, but some are just better than others in customer service.

It's a gender thing and why pay someone, when a provider is smart enough to do it themselves?

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Thank you Darling Kelly

Akiya, You have an excellent bed side manner. Moreover, you are so polished, who could ever forget you....

“ Well, you've just degraded her/us and what we choose to do for a living. You've just "labeled" us as someone lower than dirt. Of the ladies that mention this to me, they mention how bad these particular clients make them feel. One lady even said, "I wanted to punch him in his throat." (Figure of speech, not literally, of course). Another girl cried because of a clients comments.”

Very well said.

I have to agree with you on this one Starr. It was something that needed addressed. This is your business not anyone else's and I know for a fact that you run a very tight ship and will not allow this kind of thing to go on. You don't owe anyone an apology for anything you have said regarding your business practices and policies. The ladies that work with you deserve better treatment than what they obviously sometimes get and you have the right to institute and enforce your policies the way you see fit.

I am quite adept at pacing appointments...I generally don't find that BCD is where the overage occurs. In my experiences, it is always after the full hour (or more) has been expended BCD and we are now dressed and chatting about seeing each other again while walking towards the front door.

If you feel a tip is required for a extra 15 minutes or a extra half an hour is worth 90mins payment.  
You should let the hobbyists know up front.  

Get a clue. It doesn't mean you're screwing up my schedule for the next date. Some providers have a kid or kids to care for, family near by, plans w/ friends, bf's, g'f's, or like MM said, nails or personal obligations. Most ladies don't sit around all day seeing as many guys as they can for $$$$ every single day. We have personal lives!!!! We aren't ok w/ 15-30 or 45 mins over the hour without compensation because most have a 90 min or 2hr option. I'm sure a massage therapist, a counselor or anyother pro that charges by the hr would want consideration...
If she starts to get dressed or get up & move towards wrapping things up, follow her lead. Its uncomfortable for us to have to tell you "I've got to get going...bla bla bla"

So you're the type that books an hr, doesn't worry about a provider's obligations and will stay an extra 30 mins over the hr even though she has a 90 min rate? You won't consider compensating or tipping? That's not thoughtful or gentlemanly at all of you. Most providers will think twice before seeing you again.

I only deal with providers that are non clock watchers and they will not only get tips from me, but gifts.

Akiya, RE: "It's a business doing pleasure with you" I love it!! And I'm sure all your clients do too!

It's asinine to pretend to know the empathic relationship between the OP and her girls. I can't even tell if your serious with that post.

I am a proponent for legalization, but am realistic to know it will never happen.  Too many anti provider fanatics running the show.

The screening is tough, biggest thing to becareful for in phx is that leo has a hard_on for "agencies"

Its funny how the thread took off inon a tear regarding the overage of time spent when the main issue is that girls are getting pressured for bbfs and creeps are making girls feel bad for their ptofession.  Those douchebags  should be checking themselves in for violating their own "moral code".

"I only deal with providers that are non clock watchers and they will not only get tips from me, but gifts. "

I see some people just don't get it, and let greed get the best of them. So smart ass, I don't have time for games or waste people time! This is a fun hobby for me and the providers, I see are treated only with respect. Also I don't even know who you are and I guess you are bitter provider or agency.

Nope not a provider, you do not have facts either, have just heard from the other side of the coin from provider friends. There are ladies that state clearly on their website email only etc. Truth hurts and we do not who you are either since you are hiding behind an alias also. If you are so offended then you know it is the truth and you are lying. These women are not desparate, it is about ettiqute thanks for showing your true colors.

It's clear you have a problem.  Why would I be offended by your false information and either you are a pimp or just a clown.  I tend to believe you are a pimp.

I cannot believe your quote:

I guess you need attention and some help too!  The foolishness of your comments do not need anymore comments from me.

You have made no points at all in this entire thread and the only thing you have proved is that you are not a gentleman. You have only proved that you like to waste a provider's time, curse, express that you have money (for which nobody cares), and that you are a mental midget. Good luck with your A-type personality trying to make providers believe that you are gods gift to them, when in reality they cannot wait for you to leave. I am only a mouthpiece, (which is one word by the way), for reality. This is a business of time and money. I think you are just upset that you cannot solve the same 5-10 topics that are always talked about in these discussion boards every year. Why so mad? No worries, I will leave you to your fantasyland where everyone thinks you are a great guy because you pay them to. Lol

While I see you can't comprehend and if you think I am living in fantasy land. Then try reading some other comments stupid. I see acting stupid is your defense.  

Lol I thought you were moving on. I don't have a problem at all, I see wonderful providers. I don't need to build anything as I treat them with respect. It seems you like to use the hobby as if it were match.com and hanging out is code for wasting time. Fantasyland is one word by the way hopefully you can comprehend that.

Okay I gave you too much credit, you really can't read and must be just plan stupid.  

Is that all you got? Are you sure you're done because you keep responding haha. You are too easy to pick apart, can't handle the truth and accept that people do not care for you or your entitlement issues. You are definitely the type of hobbyist that wants to pay for an hour and then stay for another hour off the clock so that you can basically get the whole appointment for free. That sir is what we call a cheapskate.

This is some funny shit, you keep coming back to money.  I know it's hard for you to handle, that some of us don't have to worry about money smart ass!  I guess counting your pennies makes you feel better.

You're so sad you want to quit responding but you can't because I'm right and you have to have the last word lol typical. You should have called yourself bigTimeWaster. You look like the douche clown I'm perfectly fine. I have many a penny and I keep outsmarting you by bringing you back haha.

I totally love surprising you far above and beyond the call of duty.