This is a hobby for me just, like the TER men, so I always do my homework and need to feel a connection in order to book. I do not play often, so when I do 1hr appointments are not a high priority. I enjoy taking my time, relaxing, enjoying my company, and always having fun. Dinner dates, and overnight are my ATF! When I 1st started for an agency in college it was 1k for 1 pop lol & 300 for a hj. When I became independent it was 350hr, and to make a jump in rate takes confidence, clients, and excellent reviews. I must say menu & services play's a huge part in your contribution factor. If I have a business I own & operate out of the house now it is hard to make playtime if & when it does not add up, so everyone's situation is different. Chemistry is a must for me.
* I will offer specials to anyone deserving. Meaning if you have been interested in seeing me for years, and are whitelisted, or have attempted to contact me with what you can afford many times I will honor a deal if I feel chemistry may occur. I love to travel, and eat fine food, so if I am going shopping, etc.. a deal may be in order. I have made many life long friends on TER & never let a rate get in the way of asking for a discount. What is the worst that can happen a provider say, NO...
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Gents, And ladies.. How do you handle or appreciate the raise of a ladies rates. ALSO a ponder to speak free, how do you value a rate ?
If you are a client and a provider raised a rate, would you expect to be grandfathered in, would you appreciate an email letting you know ?
How much of an increase is acceptable ? 25-50 50-100 ? Over time ?
What is the norm you would pay for an one hr and two hr date ?
How many really enjoy longer dinner dates and times out of the broom ?
This is a hobby for me just, like the TER men, so I always do my homework and need to feel a connection in order to book. I do not play often, so when I do 1hr appointments are not a high priority. I enjoy taking my time, relaxing, enjoying my company, and always having fun. Dinner dates, and overnight are my ATF! When I 1st started for an agency in college it was 1k for 1 pop lol & 300 for a hj. When I became independent it was 350hr, and to make a jump in rate takes confidence, clients, and excellent reviews. I must say menu & services play's a huge part in your contribution factor. If I have a business I own & operate out of the house now it is hard to make playtime if & when it does not add up, so everyone's situation is different. Chemistry is a must for me.
* I will offer specials to anyone deserving. Meaning if you have been interested in seeing me for years, and are whitelisted, or have attempted to contact me with what you can afford many times I will honor a deal if I feel chemistry may occur. I love to travel, and eat fine food, so if I am going shopping, etc.. a deal may be in order. I have made many life long friends on TER & never let a rate get in the way of asking for a discount. What is the worst that can happen a provider say, NO...
lmfao smile 4 me! xoxo
Great post!
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Trying to place 'value' on a rate is just one part of the equation. If I was interested in seeing some body but they didn't offer what I look for - it doesn't matter what the rate is because I wouldn't be seeing her. And the inverse is true - if everything is offered and she is absolutely gorgeous in my mind - if the rate is more than I am comfortable spending then I would have to pass.
Grandfathering rates just depends on the relationship.
And yes, absolutely love longer dates! But of course depends on the connection with the other person and the rate. I have a favorite little wine bar that I'd like to spend an afternoon enjoying a glass or two with a fun date and then heading off for some BCD fun!
well like most people I am on budget. I still work hard for my money. i try to hobby weekly when possible. I do enjoy dinner dates and once in while make a trip to Vegas or Laughlin. If a lady wants to go with me I will tell her what I can do for her before any plans are set. If she agrees I will then make the final plans and will follow through with every detail we discussed. I also love overnights because I am single and unattached so sometimes I want to cuddle all night. But I never book under an hour. If a favorite raises her rates then I will think about whether to keep seeing her or not depending on how much the raise is. Although most ladies just keep regulars at the current rate.
Why do men pay more when they call an agency, But think twice when a girl has a set rate ? A popular agency had a standard rate, and then when they got there.. they are always paid more. And they had MANY ( cough)repeat clients... So why ?
never used an agcency and probaly never will... but I can see that when the little head takes over your thinking (especially if it's influenced by alcohol) that it would be easier to accept the upsell rather than walk away with your pecker in your hand..
I've never been upsold, but if I were, threre would be no repeat business. In this venue, you only get one opportunity to irritate me, then I'm gone...
As to the question of rate increases.. I would expect to be grandfathered if I was a repeat customer with a history of several visits under my belt, otherwise I'd just assess the rate increase against how badly I wanted to re-visit and bring the appropriate envelope or do a TER search for someone new..
Krista brings up a good point.. I've never seen "regular" defined on these boards... to me it brings and image of "every third thursday at 9:17 a.m." and is pretty much blocked out on the schedule. I would prefer "frequent repeat customer", but I don't know what the definition of frequent is ? Daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, annually ? or just frequent enough that you remember what each other look like and remember personal likes and dislikes ?
I agree with Lobo. I do not go through Agencies. i would rather see a provider that sets her own appointments, answers her phone or texts personally, and therefore reaps all the benefits. Plus I don't want LE coming after me when they bust the agency and find my info. People can believe what they want about the info being kept on file. I don't have first hand knowledge of this but I don't want to chance it.
and with this we now have to "define" regular what do you consider to be a "regular"? a gentlemen that sees you monthly, every other month .... ??
What I mean ,
Most gents I see are in a power play position where money isnt a issue. There are many gents whom would rather see an agency girl, knowing all the money doesnt go to them and they will pay more once she gets there, rather than seeing a normal indi girl at a set listed rate. Most clients I see do become regs, and are allot of the time from out of town., so whn they are in town they do call again.
That only happens when an agency is extremely well run and the management cultivates relationships with their clients - for example, the management of what used to be Mystique is great at this. Or Rose Garden back in the day. Also - agencies offer variety by definition, and guys want variety, period. Agencies can also provide on-demand service whereas many indys do not. Additionally, guys also like to have that sort of authority figure to be able to report back to - it is reassuring for them to have someone involved whom they trust. Or so I think, LOL, but I'd bet I have this one pretty dead on. If the threat of time in federal prison wasn't involved I might try my hand at so-called agency management....but fk that - it is way way way too risky!!! Independent is the safest way to go for both ladies and gentlemen.
Most gents I see are in a power play position where money isnt a issue. There are many gents whom would rather see an agency girl, knowing all the money doesnt go to them and they will pay more once she gets there, rather than seeing a normal indi girl at a set listed rate. Most clients I see do become regs, and are allot of the time from out of town., so whn they are in town they do call again.
I consider myself a regular if I see a provider 3 to 6 times in a 4 to 6 month period. But all that mattters is what YOU think passes as a regular. Its everybodies individual thoughts. Especially since it is your decision.
I hate rate raises because they're often unjustified. If you used to provide a service for 350/hr and are now charging 500/hr for that same service, then I feel I'm getting ripped off unless your costs have clearly increased. It's not like you're providing additional value at the new rate. And it's not like your old rate was chump change compared to what you could be making doing something else.
If I'm a repeat client and I don't get grandfathered, then I don't see the lady again.
I enjoy dinner dates and overnights but most ladies aren't worth seeing for that long of a time...lack of interesting things to say, lack of real affection, etc. Putting it plainly, many clients and ladies come from different worlds and there really aren't a lot of commonalities. Having a meal or spending the night merely underscores the situation.
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In the case of the hypothetical lady who used to charge 350/hr and has now raised her rate to 500/hr, perhaps her service was ALWAYS worth 500/hr but she started at 350 to give folks an opportunity to figure that out. How in the hell does this equate to you getting ripped off? Why not just be happy that you got the chance to spend time with her at a considerably lower rate? How do you know that her costs haven't in fact increased? And who cares about how a provider's rates compare to what she could be making doing something else? Figuratively, it is apples to oranges.
Don't get me wrong - personally, I am happy to grandfather a rate for a gentleman who has treated me well in the past, and generally I think it's bad business not to do so (within reason of course). However, I'll do so because I want to do so...not because someone thinks I owe it to them. Bottom line is as you said - if you don't care for a lady's policy in this regard, see someone else. It doesn't mean that her rate raise was unjustified or that you're getting ripped off, it simply means that the two of you can't come to a mutually agreeable business arrangement.
As far as most ladies not being worth seeing for extended engagements - that is ridiculous. I know many ladies who are highly educated and have many things to say, and I know even more ladies who really do feel a genuine connection or affection towards their gentlemen friends, even though it is at it's core a P4P scenario. Maybe you're just not seeing the right ladies as Grey suggested, maybe that's just not the sort of experience you're really looking for (which is totally fine) or maybe your attitude could use a slight adjustment. Just sayin'.
If I'm a repeat client and I don't get grandfathered, then I don't see the lady again.
I enjoy dinner dates and overnights but most ladies aren't worth seeing for that long of a time...lack of interesting things to say, lack of real affection, etc. Putting it plainly, many clients and ladies come from different worlds and there really aren't a lot of commonalities. Having a meal or spending the night merely underscores the situation.
It's a pure ripoff. I used to be getting something for 350/hr...now I'm getting the exact same thing while spending 40% more. No one would tolerate this behavior in any legitimate business. From the client's perspective, I can only talk about the costs that I see, the ones that help ladies provide their service. The most significant costs to my mind are incall locations. If a lady is hosting out of the same place and keeping much the same schedule, then I imagine that her costs haven't changed much. I care about what a provider can earn doing something else because it tells me if the rate raise is to keep her from pursuing another lucrative career or just because she can. Given that almost every provider earns much, much more doing this at 350/hr over another job, I can infer that the raise is just because.
On the extended engagements, not all college educated people are created equal and both of us having a degree doesn't mean that we'll get along or that I find what you say interesting. And affection is always in the eye of the beholder. My experience with most ladies in this biz is that they hold back and, ultimately, they disappoint. The disappointment is less tolerable because I'm paying a lot of money explicitly to have fun, unlike in real world dating. Sorry for not being as tolerant as some other clients.
Don't get me wrong - personally, I am happy to grandfather a rate for a gentleman who has treated me well in the past, and generally I think it's bad business not to do so (within reason of course). However, I'll do so because I want to do so...not because someone thinks I owe it to them. Bottom line is as you said - if you don't care for a lady's policy in this regard, see someone else. It doesn't mean that her rate raise was unjustified or that you're getting ripped off, it simply means that the two of you can't come to a mutually agreeable business arrangement.
As far as most ladies not being worth seeing for extended engagements - that is ridiculous. I know many ladies who are highly educated and have many things to say, and I know even more ladies who really do feel a genuine connection or affection towards their gentlemen friends, even though it is at it's core a P4P scenario. Maybe you're just not seeing the right ladies as Grey suggested, maybe that's just not the sort of experience you're really looking for (which is totally fine) or maybe your attitude could use a slight adjustment. Just sayin'.
If I'm a repeat client and I don't get grandfathered, then I don't see the lady again.
I enjoy dinner dates and overnights but most ladies aren't worth seeing for that long of a time...lack of interesting things to say, lack of real affection, etc. Putting it plainly, many clients and ladies come from different worlds and there really aren't a lot of commonalities. Having a meal or spending the night merely underscores the situation.
I met a lady the first week she provided....she was fabulous. I repeated often, but she became harder to reach and scheduling had to be done in advance. She told me that she wanted a maximum of ten dates (hours, basically) and she was getting four or five times that many calls. She also had spectacular ratings here by then. She doubled her rate. Why not? Should she see twice as many guys as she wants? Should her income be permanently frozen. If a rookie in the major leagues hits .390 with 84 home runs.......can't he expect more $$$$$ in the future. She met a guy who provided her with a rent-free beach front house, a Jaguar, and $5000 a month. I met up with her and spent the night with her in that house for no charge. She has my #, so I hope to see her again. It is about $$$$ guys.