A person, I hesitate to use the word gentleman, called this morning asking for full service no party hat. When I stated no, he stated, "Oh, I have to pay extra, I understand." I said, "No, there is no paying extra for anything, no cover is not an option!" He proceeded to tell me that several ladies he's seen have done it for extra money. I proceeded to tell him that anything extra he could pay me wouldn't begin to cover the medical expenses for whatever STD's he's walking around with. He then stated, "Oh, well if I proved to you I'm STD free then we could do it?" Again I stated no.

Ladies, I don't have his name, but I do have his phone number. For those of you who are of a higher class and respect your body way too much to let someone pay you extra for uncovered full service, feel free to email me for this information. For those of you who are risking your life and your health for a few extra bucks, shame on you. I hope to hell you're getting tested frequently and taking your meds so you don't pass whatever you probably have to the rest of us.

Good day,

Megan
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Case closed

I have heard that there are several ladies doing this now. That scares the hell out of me! What are they (and men) thinking? People:  You cannot believe that even in this small community that this is a safe practice. That's just ignorant!

Be safe.

Hugs,
Ciara

No one...NO ONE needs to take chances with their good health, it is the one thing that you cannot buy. My guess is that this guy is full of CRAP or he has a lower quality of provider( unlike all the beautiful ladies here:)....thanks for the post. By doing this you keep both hobbiest and provider safe!!!

Don't kid yourself, both your guesses are wrong.

Happens more often than you think...across all levels.

That's why there's acronyms for it.
That way we don't have to talk about it.
And own it.

Everyone chooses the level of risk they're willing to expose themselves to.

Not to mention the other person.

Starts with personal responsibility, and works outward in concentric circles from there.

I Choose Life. I hope everyone else would too.

Especially if you've ever watched someone die from an AIDS related illness.

Hobby Safe.

JJ


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And it scares me.

Let me post this as food for thought. Some of you may not have thought about this, but let me engage you just for a moment.

This is a small community. An incestuous community. In some extended way or another, we're all screwing each other. When two of us have screwed each other without the benefit of a safety device (condom), we are effectually screwing each other, literally and figuratively. So please, if you do not care enough about your own health and safety to wear a rubber, care enough about me, my son, my family, your wife, your husband/boyfriend, your kids and your LEGACY to put the condom on.

I realize 99.9% of us are brilliantly smart, kind, fun-loving, safety-concious, loving, caring people. But all it takes is that .1% of us NOT to be all of the above mentioned things and we are ALL at risk. I adore all of you, even Hacker, too much to watch any of you die. My best friend is HIV+, he's healthy as a horse, healthier than I am in fact, but he swallows 20+ pills a day to maintain that health. I will sit by your bedside and sponge bathe you, I will even hold your hair while you vomit (and if you know me, you know how terrified I am of that very act), and I will read to you and spend time with you IF you need it. But I would prefer that we all use those annoying ass contraptions that cost less than a dollar a piece and prevent the outcome which WILL be yours eventually if you continue to practice unsafe sex. And I'd prefer NOT to be the recipient of the disease you spread because the condom doesn't feel "natural." Let me tell you, swallowing 20 pills a day to maintain life and working a job you hate because the health insurance isn't an option is far less natural than any sex you could ever hate because a condom "lessens the pleasure."

Okay, I'm sorry. I love you all in ways I could never describe. Yes, even Hacker. And I don't want to tend to your bedside while you're in the last stages of HIV infection. So, please, PLEASE be safe. Get tested regularly, all of you, not just the ladies, and remember, friends don't let friends fuck sans condom. Be a friend.

Megan

In fact, he stated he had "multiple references" before the phone call really took off. I wish I would've followed my usual procedure of asking for said references before allowing him to delve into his line of questioning. It would have been very telling. But honestly, I think I'd prefer not to know!

Megan

PS Unfortunately, your statement of "Everyone chooses the level of risk they're willing to expose themselves to" discounts the fact that those same people are also choosing the level of risk they're exposing you and I to as well. I wish people would THINK before they make silly decisions that I know they must regret after that car payment is paid.

is an unfortunate reality. As Megan said it's a very small % of the community (on both sides) but it's there. I know for a fact that multiple individuals (on both sides) had a series of STD issues late last year (dont ask I wont tell)...but realize that its a real problem with VERY VERY real risks for all. This is one thing Megan and I agree on 100%....It's dumb, its stupid and the life it costs you could be your own...

Wow, that scares me when you say "multiple individuals (on both sides) had a series of STD issues late last year".  Isn't that information something both sides would want to know?  I know I do.

I covered that.

Frankly I don't think someone who disregards their own health with such poor choices would take a single moment to understand, consider or appreciate the danger they now pass to their partners by virtue of said bad decisions.

That's why I maintain my own doctrine of personal responsibility, cause the only choices I can absolutely control are my own.

I wish more people would think too, but I understand why they do what they do.

I think I'd prefer not to "know" too. Rather just play safe every time, just in case

Are you able to get PMs sent to you here?

JJ

It's definitely information we should all want to know. Unfortunately, some STD's are a simple fix and can't be avoided when people are performing DATY and BBBJ. Chlamydia is the most common STD in this area, it's easily transmissable and usually shows no signs in women. It can be gotten rid of with 10 days of Doxycycline. Some are obviously gifts forever. Genital Warts and Herpes are in that category.

The problem comes with whether or not you've gotten something like Chlamydia from a provider or something more serious. Is it worth ruining her reputation and business? Maybe or maybe not. But if you find that you have contracted an STD, it is your responsibility to call everyone you've had any sexual contact with to make them aware that they have potentially been exposed.

Now on to one of my CHIEF complaints in this business and with men in general. You don't seem to take testing seriously. I can't believe how many men I've talked to and asked when they were last tested and the answer, "Oh, I get tested once a year" is almost like a badge of honor. Well, no guys! Once a year is NOT acceptable especially since many STD's live in you without symptoms. You worry about your Dr. telling your wife or insurance, well, they're bound by confidentiality. You need to get  the best medical care possible when you put yourself at risk.

Okay, seriously, I'm going to try to shush up now.

Megan

Too many folks practice this. Not just in our city, but nationwide. Guys with wives - yea, passing it around. Then their wives pass it to their boyfriends. The stories are the same in every city.

Here is the thing. It is like Russian roulette. In this city, there are 7 providers with STD's. 3 well known hobbyists who see a lot of girls. Multiply that by travelling guys and girls.

Scared? Should be. But I really don't know the numbers. Key is, no one does. Why? People do not brag about it. Herpes, Gential warts, are hard to see at times. Other things can be masked as well.

It is not just limited to low cost providers. Many confirmed stories of high end girls doing this around the country. Unfortunately, the story is as old as the hobby. Heck, lots of guys seek these girls out. BBFS should not even be an acronym. It should be HIVO - HIV optional in todays society.

Ladies - $300 is not worth it. A guy shows up and asks for it and you want to see him again because he is a good client? Send him home. Please.

Guys - who went before you? Was it that guy we know in our community who drips a bit more than usual? And to Megan's point, get tested more often.

Believe it or not, Planned Parenthood now has a test (as of last March) for guys that DOES NOT REQUIRE SWABBING the inside of your penis. Yea, that was brutal. Now it is not an invasive technique.

BE SAFE

I have a lot of friends in this area and also many gay friends whom I love dearly. HIV and AIDS is not a gender or a gay-only-related disease. I know the majority here on this Board are not stupid and already know a lot of facts about AIDS, but I sometimes think we forget how easily we could contract these diseases and other viruses.

I've watched a few friends die of AIDS and it's a horrible thing to see. There is a large majority of our population in the United States who have HIV and can control it and its symptoms, but these human beings are living with constant testing and hundreds of pills a year. Would you want this to be a part of your life? Herpes does not even pale in comparison to HIV, and many people have it in some form without even knowing it (cold sores on lips, etc.). Some people may have Herpes, yet it lies dormant for years in their spine.

I'm not rambling on to scare people or to be overly paranoid, but one can never be too cautious about his/her health, especially in this business. I think about those times when I was younger growing up in the seventies and how careless some of us were. I'm surprised I came out of it somewhat unscathed. I learned really quickly as a maturing adult to protect myself . . . and others.

Hugs,
Ciara

Good for you for telling him off & thank you for sharing his info so we can program his number under "Hell No" in our cell phones.

should be placed  here.  Thanks Megan and thanks to all the ladies and gents  who still use basic common sense and  buckle up for safety!

The gentlemen had a Texas area code & after small talk of my schedule we agreed on time of appt then just before ending conversation he said...  By the way Sabrina you provide full service w/ bareback right? cause that's a must...   OMG! ...  I said excuse me sir just to let you know that is never a requirement and disrespectful to even ask me such..  I said I don't offer that and I really hope you are  unsuccessful in finding that... GOODBYE!

Another time the guy waited till I got to the hotel holding my donation in the air w/ his hand &  insisted on bareback or he would not pay.. he then threw well established ladies names in my face.. Like I should allow his request since those ladies did it..  
You know what I did..  I turned my happy botty around and left.

It's actually very sad that some indulge in the thought of playing russian roulette with there lives.

Stay Safe
Sabrina

GEEZE...I can agree with you on this one. But there is only one "real" answer and that is not doing it at all. Yes you can reduce your risk but, std is part of the Hobby and the business.
Testing is only as good as your last test. If we all are tested on Friday I see Provider #1 on Monday, #2 on Thursday, and #3 on Sat and they saw 5 guys each before me who saw 2 other girls before meeting 1 2 3 then I have 30 chances of bring home a gift that keeps on giving before any one gets tested again. Add BBBJ or BBBJTC and the chances increase.( MAN this is depressing).

Reality is that this is a risky business( good name for a movie) and while you can reduce the risk there is no perfect answer.
Play as safe as you can, be selective on who you see and....BE HONEST with everone you deal with...

This guy lives here in Phoenix and because he has frequented agencies here in the past while using respect, I now have his  name as does everyone who contacted me for information (Which, FYI, weren't that many ladies sadly.). So, perhaps you ought to distrubute this Texan's information so the rest of us don't waste our time with him either.

Megan