Phoenix

I can only speak from personal experience...
trinity morgana See my TER Reviews 1196 reads
posted
2 / 7

they believe he may have tried to strike again
in Warick RI

http://bostonherald.com/mobile/view.bg?articleid=1166406

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justadude4u 4 Reviews 594 reads
posted
3 / 7

I'll be the first to admit that sometimes it's a drag having to go through the screening process to see a provider for the first time. But safety is more important than convenience. This industry certainly isn't worth losing your life over.

I don't know the specifics of this particular case. But, I would have to think that had the assailant in question been properly screened this terrible tragedy could have been avoided.

Sociopaths follow many of the same behavior patterns as any predator in nature, they prey on the weaker targets first and only go after stronger or smarter prey if they absolutely have too.

That being said, a predator will be far less likely to go after you if they feel that there's more of a chance of being caught out overpowered and harmed themselves.

Please ladies, even if it's a guy you've been  Seeing for years:

1) Make sure somebody knows where you are,  who you’re with, and that the client knows that someone has this information.

2) NEVER let your guard down. A sober mind is a must! Stay sharp and aware for any red flags that a guy means you harm and if the situation seems to be going in a bad direction, take yourself out or that situation by ANY means necessary. Even if it means running naked into a hotel hallway screaming your head off, it's better than being the next victim of some sicko.

Ok that's my two cents, hope that helps!!!

2MoreCents 546 reads
posted
4 / 7

The killings are horrible. Caution needs to be used until the perp is caught. No one disagrees with that. But it is not helpful for anyone to derive a false sense of security from poor rational, or to have a sense of fear from alarmist reactionary thinking.
I don't claim to have the answers, but some things you said don't make sense, or are have no benefit as related to this type of situation. I'll give some information that I know is accurate and up to date, and give some OPINIONS as well. Hopefully there will be discussion on the matter that will be helpful.

Right now the series of killings and crimes that police believe are related have robbery as a common component. One victim was only robbed because her husband cam back to the hotel room during the event. Though not yet determined robbery may be the motive, with the killing to remove the only eye witness.

While "screening" is not reported on in the media, you may be able to assume with a reasonable degree of certainty that the victims were providers that have no screening whatsoever. Why? Because that is common amongst "CL-based providers". [ Let me define that term as I am using it here: a provider that has these characteristics (a) only advertises on CL  (b) has no other web presence (C) is using cheap hotel rooms for incall (d) is being pimped or is completely solo and inexperienced.  ]

In addition to no screening, the other four characteristics of "CL-based providers" make them seem to be the most vulnerable, and therefore the target that will be most likely chosen by someone intending on committing  crimes, like robbery, against providers, as the entire circumstance, appears to offer the greatest opportunity for the perp.

It looks like LE has information about the perp, Based on what is in the media so far, the crime may not be serial killings, but instead killings in a robbery spree. Just at horrible, but an important distinction in understanding the event and, reacting to them, and protecting yourself.

Regarding sociopaths. That term is a phycological term and not a definition of behavior. It has been replaced with the official psychiatric diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder (APD)

A 2005 study published in The Journal of Clinical Pyschiatry states that about 3.6% of Americans will be diagnosed with APD at some time during their life. It is important to remember that no everyone with APD is a criminal, and not every criminal had APD. That goes for serial killers as well. And these killing are not said to be the work of a serial killer - killing for the sake of killing is the motive.

Hopefully that information is helpful. As far as my opinions on your comments goes... Starting out with "Please ladies, even if it's a guy you've been Seeing for years:" is an alarmist overreaction. There is no evidence that there is any risk to providers from long established and trusted clients, that is higher than similar risks found in any relationship in the population at large. So, your suggestion infers that because a woman is a provider that a man (hobbyist) is MORE likely to do something against her. I think that is wrong on so many levels, and I find that notion offensive.

Though research is not available, I bet there are statistically HIGHER risks in relationships outside of the hobby. Just look at who most preditor (driven by patholgy or not) commonly go after: "close" friends, relatives,or those close to their family. I'm refering to molestings, date-rape, spousal-girlfriend rape, etc. A lasting provider-client relationship is as valid as more socially recognized relationships, and in my opinion is sometimes a more honest and valid relationship.

The other factor you are missing when starting with "Please ladies, even if it's a guy you've been Seeing for years:" is that the greatest predictor of future behavior of a person is their past behavior. A provider is safest with a long term client. So, unfortunatley using that statement renders your advice useless, or even detrimental if its false logic creates mistrust.

Next opinion. Provider should feel and BE safe with a client. But the hobbyist should feel and be safe too. You wrote:
"1) Make sure somebody knows where you are,  who you’re with, and THAT THE CLIENT KNOWS THAT SOMEONE HAS THIS INFORMATION."
My reaction is WHAT THE F**K???? Are you suggesting that providers disclose a hobbiest's personal information with a third party????
On that comment I honestly ask both the ladies and the gents to put in their opinion, please.

I think you second point is good overall advise for any person, in any situation; it's not something that is unique to providers. In fact, as a hobbiest I have that caution in mind when I to a provider, but not necessarily because of the provider herself. I think the risks of hobbying are often related to what I will call "the environment of illegality" that hobbyist and provider are forced into.

As far as if a provider is more at risk than the population at large in being the "the next victim of some sicko", I am not sure I would buy into that assumption. But...
what does anyone else think?

In summary, I think everyone agrees that screening can add to safety, but no one knows how much. There is no evidence that heavy screening "SCREEN, SCREEN, SCREEN" gives more protection that lighter screening. It does give fewer clients. (I would be a good, safe client, yet I have a limit in how much screening I will accept.)

It is an assumption that those that are screened out are more likely to harm the provider, whether as a "sicko" or LE.
This only thing you can say with any level of certainty is that screening does is make a provider feel more safe. That is important and every provider should make their screening process as heavy or light as they see fit.

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justadude4u 4 Reviews 457 reads
posted
5 / 7

I'm not going to get into a contentious debate about this.

I didnt sugjest anything that isnt already standard operating procedure for any good escort service or independent provider that uses a good scedualer to handel their affairs.

I'm not being an alarmist. I'm just suggesting basic common sense. You're less likley to be attacked if a third party knows where you are and who you are with.

Ask any LE or good Parent for that matter and they'd tell you the exact same thing.





Maci_Grayston See my TER Reviews 789 reads
posted
6 / 7

About 12 years ago, I was working in San Francisco at an incall massage house. We did not do any screening and I did meet my fair share of wacko's, including one who turned me in.

Since coming to AZ and learning the internet/companion screening system, I have not had one session where I felt threatened in any way. (Thank you IndulgeAZ)

I think that screening sends a message to potential clients that I value myself. It also sends a message of accountability. We are a community.

I don't think I necessarily need to tell someone who I am meeting with, but there is someone who knows when I'm going to work and when I'll be home. They also know where my play pad is located.  

The incidents in Boston and Rhode Island are scary to say the least. I feel terrible for the ladies! I don't think any method is 100% safe, but screening has worked for me so far.

Thank you ladies and gents for making Phoenix such a pleasurable place to play!
xoxo
Gina

CiaraPhx See my TER Reviews 614 reads
posted
7 / 7

Besides, a second -- or even a third -- party knows when you book with an agency. Why should it be any different with an independent lady whose friend (or relative) she chooses to relate the friend in confidence is someone she can trust. If I do this, it is with a relative that has nothing to do with the business, so no backchanneling about the client's information is involved.

Hugs,
Ciara

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