stop using others threads to push your personal
attack. 90% of your posts all reak of a man who has a personality problem. youve attacked agencies and independents in the past.anyone who read the review in question
could clearly see you had an agenda to trash her and not do a real review.cowboy the fuck up and move on.all your trying to do now is affect her business which makes you a very little man to go to that extent. cowboy up and move the fuck on
Just curious to hear from locals. Saw a provider with 2 pages of appearance 9s and performance 9s who was anything but, maybe a 5 and 6, no MSOG as advertised.
Write a review or send in a problem report. I would say that most people don't bother to write about mediocre experiences. I don't ask gentlemen for their handles and don't ask people for reviews or question people on the subject but I have become close to some of the people I have seen and the concensus seems to be the same with all. If the experience is not great they feel bad writing a mediocre review. It can also be hurtful for the lady. You have to remember that not every lady is a perfect fit for every man. While most men feel this way it does skew the numbers a bit. It is not dishonest it is just how it goes. I gotta tell you a bad review is hurtful and most gentlemen know that so they think anything less than a glowing review is going to do the same.
Where that takes us is that when only the staisfied customers are writing reviews they would tend to be biased in their opinion of the lady and want to say only nice things, such as not mentioning a few extra pounds, or maybe they didn't notice them? Or pictures being old? Maybe they were so satisfied they didn't think of that.
The best thing I can think of to do is when contacting a lady ask her if her photos are current. Ask her if when you meet her, if you are not satisfied with her looks at the door if you are free to leave without a cancellation fee. If she comes to you ask her the same but offer $20 for gas. If you ask this up front most ladies who are honest and have nothing to hide will usually agree. I tend to ask about 5-10 minutes into the getting to know you conversation if they are feeling comfortable and want to move on or not. That way they have a chance to leave without spending any money and nobody is out anything but a little time. The biggest thing is to think with your big head and realize that no matter what you want or need, seeing someone that you know from the begining is not your cup of tea will not be satisfying for either most of the time.
Hope this helps.
XOXOXO
Donna
If BCD is ok. If her looks are ok. If I rated you a 7 looks wise and a 7 performance wise, how would you feel. Like you said, the ladies get hurt - I have spent way too much time listening to their rantings on reviews posted.
Guys won't post mediocre reviews. I would encourage everyone to post, but that won't happen either. And this is about cash for looks (and beauty includes charm)and bcd.
If you took all the ladies on 411 and lined them all, how could they all be 9's and 10's looks wise? If you experienced all the ladies bcd would they all be 9's and 10's?
This site is entertainment. But guys use the content to make decisions to spend $. It needs to be for the guys (or girls if they're paying). Not the few compulsive posters, the agency owners (it is now pretty good in that regard), but the guys will not speak up except to schill. How great someone looks. How wonderful someone is. Yea, heck, I think being nice is the key to the universe - but I am looking for an honest session as are the other guys. That's whats missing...and how back channels got created.
Guys - it is your board - look at the ratings. Start posting the good, the bad and the ugly.
Agency owners and indy's - would you be ready for that? The community would take some pain. And we are all trying to sing kumbaya. So it won't happen...
Even in the hobby we have become PC.
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Ultimatebfe,
Just wondering who you are refering to, and if she was a bad time, why not let us know. Our website clearly states we offer a service guarantee, I would have and still will be happy to figure it out and rectify it for you. Just gimme a call, email me at [email protected] or PM me through here.
Paul
602-402-8411
Look. If you talk honestly to folks you know in the business and get referrals and still have a service issue, that stinks.
Wait - if I go and have surgery at $300 and the doctor screws up, I go back to the same doctor. Or if I go to a restaurant and get sick, I go back and try another meal.
I appreciate the concept, but the key is - don't let the girls get away with it agency folks. If you have employees who don't do a good job, make the call. Yea, it is work to run an agency - looking for nwe girls who are better - but that's why we pay the big bucks - or not.
This is as old as, well, really old. I've been trying to discuss this for quite some time. No bites. The issue is...
Each guy will post what they want. I am beginning to think guys in this town wouldn't know a 9 or 10 if it bit them in the arse (i'll take the flames if it causes some honest discussion). There is NO BENCHMARK, especially in Phoenix (here's a challenge - let's find one real 10 10 and measure everything from there instead of saying everything compares - Krista was the last 10 BCD I encountered in Phoenix). Phoenix plays a lot of favorites. There are few agency reviews below an 8. Few "known" indy's with reviews below an 8. So everyone is a 8, 9 or 10 in this town. Hmmmmm.
And I'll discuss part of the problem. Nobody pays rack rates. So we "get what we pay for" but it hurts those guys who are paying rack rates. But heck, the guys paying rack rates do few reviews or post complaints because they are lurkers or newbies afraid to.
Paying rack rates for a person rated a 9 or 10 in this town is a risky business. Especially if you have hobbied elsewhere. But if the rating system reflected the service, it would piss the providers off. Guys don't want to do that either. I am sad to say it has caused me to hobby less. I don't trust the ratings and the guys push their most current favorite.
Only way it is going to get fixed is to post your review with your honest opinion. Two things will happen though. People will come out and say it is a YMMV - she was having a bad day. And second, your review could get "modified". Lots of connections in this town. Reviews can be modified even if they are honest.
I stopped reviewing - I know - I should - but I don't need the hassles. Momma told me if you don't have something good to say...
Your best bet - take the reviews, average them, then knock of a point or two.
I'd love a system where you pay a base and then the rest was pay for performance measuring against their review. Ok, so I sound like a cold SOB. But this is business and cash and yes we all have feelings yaddy yadda. But it is my green. And this issue is out of control in Phoenix. I say that cuz I'd like to hobby more and the high reviews and the experience you have had are the same I experience. But it is not isolated to Desert Divas..
JDBY
You say this is an old issue and that the guys in this market wouldn't know a 9 or 10 if it bit them in the arse.
I think you are not giving enough credit to how many of the TER reviews for ladies in this market are coming from out of town clients or new to the hobby reviewers.
You say thet "nobody pays rack rate". You are right there is VIP pricing for clients. For instance as a TER member you do not pay our "rack rate" of $375 you pay $350, there are also additional VIP programs and if anyone is interested they are welcome to contact me personally to find out more about them. They are open to anyone that fulfills the requirements that we have.
You make a very serious charge by claiming that TER reviews are getting "modified" Due to lots of connections in town. Please show me proof of that. I would love to see it as I am sure everyone else here would also.
You remind me of the guy that bitches about the goverment being nothing but a bunch of crooks and sleaze bags but never bothers to vote because you don't need the hassle or as you put it "I stopped reviewing - I know - I should - but I don't need the hassles".
If you don't need the hassles then why do you continue to post about the issue?
If you really feel that this town is nothing but 6's and 7's then show it in your reviews.
We do go by a base rate system in the market. The base rate is around $350. If you have an exceptionally good time then tip the provider. If you don't have a good time call then call the agency/provider in question and allow them to address your issue.
Remember JDBY YMMV is a real thing and if a guy doesn't have a good time it is not always the indy's/agencies fault.
In closing............
LEAD the revolution JDBY don't just bitch about the system. You waste everyone's time by doing so.
Paul - 602-402-8411
Owner
Desert Divas
Az-Confidential
And that's cool. Keep in mind, this is a HOBBY sight. There are a lot of guys who do not post. And as a hobbiest, I supported the original posters premise. He was asking for LOCAL opinion. Not agency opinion.
As for facts, I have had bad experiences with all the agencies. That's a fact I chose not to post and I can site examples, ask Scott about the old Riley - I could post that whole experience. I can also share with you that among the guys, they do post higher ratings to get their VIP rates and to remain "friends" of the agencies and ladies. That's a non-disputable fact in this town.
YMMV is ok, but when it is swayed by the rate favoritism, the hobbiests not wanting to offend the agency owners so they put up higher ratings, than agencies become "bait and switch" like - yea, the girls are the girls you see in the pics, but not the reviews.
As for showing review modifications - this is a fact that has been posted in the past. I could do reviews of the last 3 girls I saw - 1 from one of your agencies, 2 from Mystiques, but my comparison is a bit broader and candidly, do not want to offend the ladies. Lots of ego's at play obviously in this business.
Look at the ratings Paul - do you honestly believe all of your girls looks wise and performance wise are the same? If you put them all together would you rank them all evenly? There was a run from one hobbiest where every girl he saw was a 10 10. How does that work?
Ok. So enough bitching. I'll either post reviews or shut up about the ratings. That's fair. But as for wasting time - I am trying to save guys a little money by helping them understand the "system" of this town - the basic reason for this site is for the hobbiests to get info to make hobbying more enjoyable not listening or reading a bunch of fairytales. So it is not a waste - but the agencies playing games is a waste of more importantly other guys money. And keep in mind, this is a public entertanment site. Without the drama, they would not get the hits they need to get the advertising bucks they need to make money. So let's play nice, but we don't need to totally shut up.
Later,
I have a suitcase of posts. And MANY guys I have referred to agencies and indies would probably do their honest post. Would they stand? And yes I would include all detailed comments, conversations held during the session, why the fantasy was broken (didn't need to hear about the 3 clients before me or the bloody comforter, and lots of girls do not kiss well or do other things well).
Yea, stuff happens. And the guys won't say it. It does not create a great community like we have by not posting low reviews or letting the negative points get diplayed in public. But the reviews are out of wack...and bad experiences do happen more often than are posted.
At some point, the reviews do become useless. Let's not let this happen...
all i have ever found a review on this site useful for has been contact info and the affirmation that for enough dead prezzies something enjoyable may happen. Personally i only review those i have had an outstanding session with, since theres no point in hurting feelings and causing the usual drama that ensues.
And revolution never benefits the establishment.
JDBY's bitching might be, in your opinion, a waste of time (an opinion you're as entitled to and as free to espouse as he is, by the way), but it's relatively harmless.
If DDs reviews are misleading, it certainly isn't YOUR fault. You can't control what people think.
Just keep on providing the best quality you can and being proactive to customers concerns...that's all anyone can expect a business to do.
Can't please everyone-just so you try.
Hobby Happy
JJ
*Damn typos!*
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Who wants to benifit the establishment. They have all the power and benifits they need.
We should be more concerned about the ladies. They are the ones who sacrifice. They are the ones who do the work. They are the ones who have paid their dues.
And, by the way, it is quite possible to control "what people think, do and say". The establishment-as you say-does it all the time.
LOVE, PEACE, UNITY and FREEDOM
Sheika Fatima
[email protected]
Too bad. You pretended for a good bit of time to be "with it".
They ARE the establishment.
The ladies are, as they have always been, on their own to figure that out. And act accordingly.
And control is an illusion-I would have thought an illustrious figure like YOU would have realized that by now.
Maybe you aren't really as savvy as some here have given your pontifications credit for.
Welcome to the establishment.
We'll miss you when things change.
Probably not.
JJ
There is no pretense, here. Why would you say such a thing? The Sheika is very curious. I would really like to know why you feel that way. I am extremely interested in the way you think and feel.
I am sorry if I upset you.
However, I still "stick to my guns", and I know all the ladies would agree. Earning a living as a professional escort is far outside the mainstream Establishment.
LOVE AND PEACE,
Sheika Fatima
[email protected]
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I will agree the system is not perfect, but for now it's all we have. But I think the agency/provider should have the opportunity to rectify the problem before coming on here to bitch about it. Also, JDBY, your best bet would mean that the ladies in town are all about a 7 in performance. I have to disagree... Let's face it- As hobbyists, we're not male models, not porn stars, and some bash the ladies behind alias'- So if they can get through a session w/ a smile on their face, that alone deserves at least an 8... Perhaps I've been lucky, as all the ladies I've seen have been great experiences, and I've always left wanting more. But as you say, YMMV and it is your green- Just my opinion and no disrespect to anyone...
Use the ratng system. Start at 6 and go from there. Do not be swayed to do 9 or 10 reviews if they are not 9 or 10's.
I'm not from Phoenix but travel there once in a while. I would say there are some definate 10/10's there that would rate as such anywhere. Tina Pink and Jordan Kay come immediately to mind.
Don't simply discard any recommendation as a shill. VSOP has a good review record, and doesn't appear to inflate scores.
I've never met Tina Pink, but I've experienced a fantastic time with Jordan Kay, and her friend MJ a couple of years ago. Looks (exclding me): 7 to 9 all around. Performance (this time including me) fantastic time, definately 9 or 10.
The fact that there is no set appearance or oerformance standard makes it difficult for you to complain when a lady doesn't meet your expectations
And another thing. If you post an honest review of a provider and it is not a good one, even if it is honest. The provider can just email TER and say it is not true and TER will take her word for it and pull your review without even asking you. Welcome to the USSR, AKA, TER. I am speaking of my review of the PSE known of Trinty Pet. Everything I said in that review was real and TER pulled it just because she did not like an honest review. I think it is up to us who post review's to hold TER to a higher standard...
stop using others threads to push your personal
attack. 90% of your posts all reak of a man who has a personality problem. youve attacked agencies and independents in the past.anyone who read the review in question
could clearly see you had an agenda to trash her and not do a real review.cowboy the fuck up and move on.all your trying to do now is affect her business which makes you a very little man to go to that extent. cowboy up and move the fuck on
What's a subjective thing worth, objectively?
Is your opinion that this provider is a 5 or 6 any more weighty than 2 pages of opinion that she is a 9? Or vice versa?
Does one negate the other? If I were to now go see her and find her to be a 9, would I be justified in calling your opinion misleading?
Ever see a movie the critics say is awesome and think it sucks?
Is it Roger Ebert's fault you didn't like it?
Everyone just LOVES those Harry Potter movies, so I went to see them. I think they are terrible. Was I misled, or do I chalk it up to experience and maybe develop better personal criteria for selecting in the future?
I understand your frustration-multiple opinions taken as a whole should give some leveling and distill accuracy, right?
No system can take away all the variables, particularly in subjective intimate interaction.
Use reviews as an AID to making a decision, but always with a grain of salt and don't DEPEND on them so much.
Stick to the basics:
Ask questions if something advertised is important to you.
If what's offered isn't as advertised, decline.
If she doesn't deliver as you would like, say so in a review and let the agency know.
Just remember, the agency doesn't write the reviews...if they did, now THAT would be misleading.
Although there are those who think through various inducements and hobbyists desire to curry favorable treatment that reviews are tilted in a direction desired by the agency. Which is tantamount to the agency writing the review.
Know what I think is misleading? The belief that one can depend on a rating system in the first place.
Damned if I know how to fix THAT.
Hobby Happy
JJ
The Sheika and others have said it before and so I’ll say it again. In a very real academic statistical sense, the grading system is meaningless.
Hmmm, are all the ladies clones? Do they all read and act from the same script?
If one looks at all the scores, there are just too many 8’s and 9’s. The distribution is skewed. There is not enough variation {or variance} in the scores. This means that the system is faulty in the extreme. This means that the grading scale does not measure what it is suppose to measure. This is science; this is a mathematical fact.
However, the Sheika believes that there are certain psychological, social or economic dynamics that compel many hobbyists to write reviews that over state their case and keep the numbers inflated. After all, if a hobbyist has a need to belong, or if a hobbyist has a need to feel as though they are one of the boys or part of the in crowd, or if a hobbyist has just spent $$$ or $$$$ to experience an hour of erotic and emotional fantasy, it becomes very difficult to admit to oneself and to others that the experience was just average and mediocre.
Many of the reviews are reminiscent of adolescent boys, bragging about the hot date they had with Betty Sue. The stories just keep getting bigger and bigger until they loose all credibility… Indeed, the only way to find out what Betty Sue does on a date is to spend the money and take her out.
Also, for a few shady fat cats, TER is an obscenely lucrative business that for the most part is based upon the supposed description of a risky illegal business transaction. We know that this description is simply cheap, amateurish, recipe like porn that we of this community so causally refer to as reviews.
The reviews describe illegal acts of prostitution.
We know that TER does not take any of the risk. The ladies and their clients take the risk, but TER reaps a huge profit. They reap this profit from the risky behavior of others; and, simply put, TER’s economic interest far outweighs their credibility ethic.
So, live and learn, sweetheart. The numbers are meaningless.
I LOVE YOU ALL,
Sheika Fatima
[email protected]
..and this site was meant for hobbiests. And to "support" the ladies - to SOME extent. But the reviews are not doing anyone justice. Except for those reaping the financial reward from them.
Yep - the numbers have become meaningless - and in support of the original question, I offered an opinion and I will stick to it.
Paul - if you read this - it's about cash dude. Most of the folks know better. I have said what few will say as evidenced by the replies here - no one wants to piss a girl or agency owner off. And that is the problem. Being PC is ok. Being chumped time after time is not.
I will always take the side of the hobbiest first. Then the girl. Then the agency.
Wanna continue the chat? No - because there are things that could be said that we won't in public. So why waste your time...
And I don't want to continue this as it turns into a schill fest, serves no purpose to the original poster, and only creates more drama than I truly want to deal with.
But yes. I do vote.
Later and last word on this thread for me...
Yo UBFE, well the abaz/JDBY filibuster has blown on, and on and on. Performance scores are based on criteria, sounds like you are familiar with them, if not you may wish to review them. Looks is personal opinion ONLY. Reviews are fictional and it is a YMMV how a story plays out. Sorry to hear you did not have a great time in your play. Get with Divas and give them a chance to make it right AND please let us know. If they don't make it right I will help you fire up the George Foreman Grill! PS Also write the review and name the name
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I have looked at the first post and read a few replies, and here is my opinion for what it is worth. I try and read the reviews on most girls I decide to see I also speak to the agency and try and get there input,most cases the agencies ae very informative. But as a mature adult I know as they say in the car business there is a seat for every ass. What may be a 5 or 6 to me may be a 9 or 10 to you. Each and every one of us have special tastes and that is way these agencies have a wide selction of girls to choose from that is also why we have the amount of independents we have. How many times have we sat in a bar,nightclub,or resturant and saw a couple walk in were we want to give the guy a pair of glasses so he can see what the girl he is with really looks like, well to us she is a 1 0r 2 if that but to him she is 10. So in closing I really don't think anything on the site is truly misleading it is all about tastes and opinions and we all have them. Ter is there to give us a starting point when looking for that special provider, and I think they do a pretty good job at it. It is up to you from there.