Glen:
I guess im no longer a CL POSTER.. Drats that breaks my heart!  LOL!!!

My earlier post indicated that it was just a Venue anyways, and that I always double checked references and said no more than yes from that site, BUT your site is far more important to me!

Glad this subject is ending..

And you know Jordan and I and Tina have the titties you like! Smother yourself thrice!!

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removing anyone from 411 for any reason. You've worked hard to build credibility as the "gold standard" here and I respect any/all actions you take specific to protecting that hard earned trust.

My post below was directed to the removal of 411 from TER itself...which I do not understand. Why should someone else make a bad decision when valid info did/does exist in the system. My only possible concern specific to your site is the possibility your current client base is exerting influence thats aimed at minimizing compitition in the name of "safety". I appreciate your well thought out policy and the fact that you took the time to explain your position.

Thanks.

some of the gals, like Diana (from above post) have been around for a long time and is an honest provider, I think they should be allowed to post an advertisement.

Did not all this start hoopla start from some not so well reviewed providers from CL advertising on your site?

Should it not be only when a provider is well established in the community that she be able to get on your site? and not a one time review from a one time reviewer.


There seem to be a lot more well established providers like AzMisty, Diana and maybe more that have advertised there and do like it...
I hate to see them go from your site.

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I for one do not like being the focus of drama and am sure this is not fun for you. Either way someone will be unhappy.

I think you have set the standards higher than other sites that advertise, such as Eros, City Vibe and CL. I stand behind any decision you make and hope this will be behind you soon!

~ Carlee

the issue I believe is that some recent gals added to the site were not up to the standards of 411. I truly believe in those standards and in fact, believe that maybe the answer is to raise those standards to more reviews and more references from other established providers not dictate where a gal can or cannot advertise/post.  

My issue is that I for one, I communicate with my clients thru CL as it is a site in which they can go at home or work without any questions or hassles.  So if I cannot do that and be on 411 why should I be punished because I like to stay in touch with my clients and have found a way to do so without either of us getting into any trouble.

I truly believe in keeping the standards high but Glen please reconsider and instead, focus on the new girls - not the already WELL established ones - and raise the requirements to having the privledge of being on 411.  

I know many girls post on CL (some will not admit it but they do or have) and as Diane stated, LE is everywhere and no matter the site we all need to be careful period.

Thanks for reading and Glen a big thank you to you for everything you have done.  But I ask you to reconsider and address the real issue.  

Misty

PS Let's get Tina and I together for you -wow now that is something you could get lost in - boob overload!!  Love ya!

Publicity is publicity...it's all about numbers...it's not personal...its just business GLEN.

No one has a right to dictate our lives, business or our rights...it's called FREEDOM.

This goes for both sides.  Everything was fine until now.  You will never please everyone so don't try.  Do what works for you and your business BEST.  If we let others dictate how we run our business it means compromise, loss and policeing new policies...a lot more work and negative energy...and many more will be upset.

First it will start with CL, then BP then whatever someone else doesn't like either.

So now if I decide I need extra work and do my normal promotions everywhere I have to eliminate CL or I can't be on 411.  No one else does it for a reason Glen and I am sure you will find out why they don't soon.  

How about this, playing devils advocate here, what if I use an alias?  How much time will you have to spend going over to CL to constantly police your site?  How much research will you have to do to find alias's?  How much money will you lose when you find out half of your site is on CL?

I really don't care for any politics on any site quite frankly, I care about my numbers, promotions, safety, reputation and integrity.  Mostly, I must be honest here, I care that my business thrives and makes me MONEY.  

If Glen made his policy an excutive decision, we will have to comply or leave.  If Glen gives in to outside inflences, the bickering will never end.  It looks bad when people think they are better then others.  It always comes back to bite your butt.

Don't forget Glenn, another site told us we couldn't post on CL and that site is  practically gone now.

Personally I run my business my way.  Since when did you care where I post?  There are many ways for you to screen and verify your ladies, just like we do our clients.  

If it works great now...don't mess with a good thang.

Just my opinion and two cents and not personally pointing at anyone.  I just thought Glen should think of some the potential repercutions of his actions.

Glen is a low stress guy and I love that about him.  You can do anything you choose Glen, please choose wisely...quantity or quality???

Good luck hun, isn't it great being the boss?

Candy
xoxox

I was on 411 before I ever knew that CL existed. I love the site and am very grateful to Glen for providing such a great site to advertise on and for such an affordable rate.

I advertise my business anywhere that I find that I can get GOOD clients from and I have found some great ones on CL. Many weren't even aware of places like 411, TER, TBD, etc. but they are now because I've 'educated' them. Most have found CL erotic after they had used CL to look for real estate, jobs, or the many other things CL lists.

Yes, there's a lot of 'riff-raff' on CL because of the annonimity of the posting there. The good guys I've found there are just as disgusted by it as we are. It's simple, you just ignore the jerks and BS and do your homework on the providers that advertise there. You would be doing a much greater service to the good providers and hobbyists and your site by allowing the providers with good reviews/reputations remain on your site to help these men do their homework. They need sites like yours that they can rely on to find good providers. They also need people like myself, Diana and others who are willing to put themselves on CL and help these guys find there way to the reputable sites and people ;o)

LE watches us here, there and EVERYWHERE so to worry about any one board/site more than others is IMHO foolish. We need to be 'aware' wherever we choose to advertise or discuss. If I hadn't found the clients that I've found there I would have left it alone but CL has served my needs very well so I'll be staying. I have never noticed any difference in LEs' interest in me or my shops.

I respect your decision Glen and will hate having to leave 411 but I can't feel right about having limits put on where I can advertise to remain on 411.

If you ever change your mind let me know and I'll be back with bells on!

Sorry to hear it but I think your stepping out of bounds.

Sorry Glenn, I have always hear great things about you but this is one I would have to dis agree with totally.  I think this came out of the
"another Craigs Bust" of 9/15/06 and had hoped it died there but I guess not.
  Its your site and your call but when you start
telling you customers who and who they can't advertize with,  even if they don't leave now I
think you have planted a seed that will grow a bitter fruit in the future. The ladies are the ones effected most by this and your effecting them in there most vonerable spot in a bad time of the year. They advertize for the same reason you do and I don't think you would like to be told where you could or could not advertize.  They have to make a payday just like you each month and it may mean paying the rent no matter which ad brought it in.  Telling someone how or who they will deal with, Well I think the ladies are going to surprise you some day for this.  Hope you will allow them to continue with 411 until there contract runs out.  I really hope you re-think this.

Taking a provider off your site simply because she post on CL is unfair practice. Not all providers get the reads off of 411 as the main players do. If a provider chooses to post up on CL, it’s to shake the money tree a bit. They may have their needs such as rent, car payment, groceries or any number of things that they have to have meet.
If it is a security risk that you are concerned about, then you have a false sense of security. No one site is safe. All are subject to have some form of dishonesty. Those that pose that risk must simply be removed. Once a provider has proven to be a credibility issue then she should be removed & not allowed to be reinstated until she has proven to be trustworthy.
It’s a tough call to make & you are the one who is monitoring your site. You would know who the bad eggs are & who are the good ones.
The bottom line is just because someone has posted on 411,they wont get all the business they need. There are too many hobbyist schilling on the board for certain agencies that take attention away from the independents that do not have enough exposure. So then they resort to using CL because it’s quick & free.
I support the idea of having the CL providers seek asylum from the CL board. Let them get established first before you pull the plug.
There are many providers that are popular now that only had the Bachelor Beat to advertise on at one time. Then they got their break & someone gave them an opportunity to get on line. They became established, well spoken & creditable. They also forgot all those steps they took to get where they are & how hard they had to work to get where they are now, as well as those that tried to help them along the way.
Seems to me that maybe all the those who want the providers off 411 that post on CL concurrently, take a step back & remember that you yourself needed a break at one time in your life. Someone gave you your shot & you became successful.
Give someone else that same chance.

Not all CL providers are scam artist or rip offs. It is hard to weed through them all. The cream rises to the top eventually. Those that continue with the dishonest way of doing business end up fading out. Just my 2 cents
Thanks for listening.