I know there was a thread about a "no show" earlier, but I thought I'd share my experience with them and wanted to make sure people saw it. I want to shoot out a disclaimer, that A) I'm completely new to this, B) I've sent in references to a couple of people, but hadn't seen anyone yet, and C) I suppose I'm a little(a lot) naive, but I wanted to share my experience none the less.  

So I email this highly rated, young, blonde gal in PHX and ask if I can set something up. She says sure, give me full name, linked in or work e-mail, and some other forms of ID. I give her those, and even more trying to make her comfortable with me. She says great! Here's the time, go get a hotel, I'll be there. So I rent the room, send her the confirmation, and the next day she says meet in the lobby. I go down, and she sends a text and says, this place is too shady, I'm out. The hotel wasn't great, but it wasn't in a terrible part of town, and she even OKed the hotel (as in I actually asked her, sent the hotel name and address). Ok, I get it, you need to protect yourself, she says, get a new hotel, and I'll meet you later that day. I say stupidly say OK, and get a new hotel about 2 minutes away that she selects, and she bails on the meeting again. I say, well, fuck, I'm out $300 and I didn't even get a public meeting.  

So I go home that night, thinking, well, I have the room til 12 tomorrow, why not give it one more go (she is my really my type, and it being my first time and all, I wanted to make it good). I send her another form of ID without her asking, and a recent photo, and she says, OK, thanks for understanding and working with me, let's meet at 10:30 the next morning. That time rolls around and she's apparently sick, and won't see me.

I totally get it if you're not interested in doing incall, it might not be safe, and you need to be safe. That said, don't lead me on so far. Someone said in the other thread, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, and while that applies, basic courtesy should always be on the table.

I also want to restate, I know I don't have references and experience, if you have those, then you may or may not have a great time, that said, I don't want anyone else to go through what I did. I'm not in the business of outing someone publicly, but if you're new, and interested in the name, go ahead and PM me. I'm not looking for any hate, if you want the warning, ask.

Kong

-- Modified on 4/4/2014 3:49:14 PM

And always have a Plan B just in case Plan A doesn't work out....

Stick with well reviewed ladies.

I prefer indies myself.

Rotten experience for you....

Good luck going forward.

RM

Sounds like Breanna to me. Am I right?

I've had a very pleasant experience with P411.

If they accept you, women who use there service should not have a concern that you are linked with law enforcement. you also be able to find women who actually are new0be friendly.  After you've seen a couple of P411 women, you will have women who can honesty appraise how you treated them and what you respond to.

consider that even if those first few women are not in you comfort range for donations, that they will give you the BEST over all value for your funds. Just check and see ahead of time if they will be comfortable with answering honestly questions about you from P411 or a well know woman you'd like to see in the future.

Deprived

I don't care how cautious the lady is, what she did is just plain rude and unprofessional and you should "out her", if you ask me...

You got two rooms, switch hotels, provided personal information, all in all, you probably dodged a bullet and saved yourself some additional grief.

Regardless of "the look" you're after, start with well respected and well reviewed ladies and get a few sessions under your belt and the you'll have refs and the world will be yours...

Hey, thanks everyone. I appreciate all the help and responses. I know the PM isn't the best way to do it, but maybe I'm the one off bad day she had. It sucks, but there isn't much else to do. Again, only like 3 people have asked for the info, so it seems it's not that big a deal.

Kong

If she said no, you should stop asking. Sometimes people cave into pressure and try to please, but the gut feeling, whether right or a little off, is enough to rule it out.  

Here's the thing. She's walking into a situation where she feels vulnerable. She let's you know. You continue to pressure, (whether the intent was good or bad, it's still pressure,) she obliges - thinks about it - then changes her mind.

The real answer - listen to no the first time and move on to the thousands of other providers in the area.  -- Modified on 4/5/2014 8:35:12 PM

She felt pressured.  

The good part of all of this is the newbie, hopefully, learned to back off after hearing no the first time - and secondly, he knows the higher end providers won't step foot in lower end hotels. I get he didn't know, but he knows for next time.  

Is say perhaps a discount for the next time after he's gained some references. Of course, we all make mistakes on the job... But I'll bet you $100 bucks she feels bad about it.  

Have you checked the activity in Phoenix lately? Too bad for both sides, providing and hobbying has become much more tedious.  

safety first. If anything, I'd be glad to see someone who is cautious over someone who is careless any day of the week.

-- Modified on 4/5/2014 8:33:23 PM

For sure, that makes sense! I was as nervous as she was to be honest, and really wanted to meet her. It ended up being me thinking with my small head instead of my big head! I got a call from Summer tonight, which was incredibly nice, as we had never even spoken by phone before, only texts, and she gave her side, and I gave mine, we realized it was some miscommunication, some discomfort, some pressure, and none of the fun we probably both wished it was. I wish everyone the best, it was a really tough situation for the both of us, and I've moved on, as has she.

Kong

-- Modified on 4/5/2014 6:52:59 PM

you can guess what.

Overheard by companions about quotas and bonuses for how many can get for the night or week.

I am impressed with you stepping up and offering a very thorough and I believe honest explanation for what went down from your perspective.  Given the current LE bullshit we are all contending with I can absolutely see why you chose the path you did and I support you 100%.  

While all of us share a degree of risk in this business you women carry significantly more than us guys and this is partially why we pay the rates that we do.  I frankly don't know how you ladies open the door day in and day out not knowing who or what is on the other side.  I couldn't do it, but I am very thankful that you ladies can and do.

All of us have to look out for our own best interests and in my opinion that is exactly what you did in this instance.  In my opinion the only thing you could have done better was to kick him to the curb (nicely)  the first time your gut said no go, other than that I think you did no wrong.

In my opinion it is always better to be cautious and free than it is to take unnecessary risks out of concern for another's feelings and end up in jail.  Remember.......no good deed goes unpunished!

-- Modified on 4/5/2014 9:36:33 PM

Seriously Summer.........have you seen your photos and read your reviews?  The poor guy had his mind/heart/hardon set on seeing you, I can't blame him for not wanting to give up.

I am sorry but why don' t providers in this, state just move or work in another state. This police state shit is crazy!!!  This is the only area on TER where you keep hearing about this and maybe moving to another state close by is the answer for everybody!

summer, you are hot as hell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...I would have pushed too, lol.....

I'm no rookie, but I remember the feeling of seeing a gals pictures and just being overwhelmed to the point I had to see her, no matter the cost or the length of travel.

He sounds sincere and I'm sure that was the case, be flattered...... IMHO..

Summer is not a flake! She is a great provider. I do understand disappointment, however, to pay for 2 rooms, would raise anyone's concern level off the charts. I would suggest that everyone consider that the on going roundups of ladies and hobbyist usually happen in hotels. If people would consider not going to hotels, it may improve their chances substantially. It would certainly thwart the efforts to arrest 40 or 50 people in one night at a hotel.  I don't  agree with the suggestion to move to Vegas. WTF, we don't want to lose our wonderful providers.  Providers must have sufficient time to verify their clients.  If someone is super aggressive and insisting on hurry up now or never deal, Pass. This is a tactic of LE, regardless, if they are willing to pay for 2 hours or 24, who is going to pay your legal fees and all other cost inherent to being arrested.  Now is a good time to support our local INDEPENDANT ladies and maintain your anonymity.

I love Phx too, but we can't let them scare us either!!! We all have families, but we also love this hobby. So if you are not sure about seeing someone don't and be unfront with the person or require them to meet for coffee or drink first in a public place. This way you will have a idea, if you want to continue or not with them.  

Also I know most providers can't move to LV, but everybody does have options and we don't have to keep putting up with these bs laws!!!

HAHA this is exactly who I thought first too.. Same thing happened to me with Jordan.. gave me the run around for hours then I paid to sit next to her and cuddle... review coming.. Summer on the other hand is a great girl!!!

You just learned a lesson.  Don't push things, or they can fall apart.  
Ppint has been made that when you push real hard, people get nervous due to bad things happening (or potential).
Friend told me when she was in Vegas, a guy wanted to give her 10x her fee if she'd see him right now without reviews (and voices in background).  he said NO.  FO&D NO

SS, For you to quit your education would be like taking a new Bentley to a destruction derby. If you think you are careful, be double careful. NO HOTELS, Phoenix loves you too.

No hotels?  Think about what you are recommending, it is not even remotely practical.  While admittedly I do not know all of the details of the most recent bust, I venture to guess that going to the hotel is not the real causal act and believe the busted provider's goose was cooked long before.  In my opinion, the moment that LE passed the screening process the unsuspecting ladies numbers were up, the hotel merely made it more convenient for LE to entrap a bunch of people at once.

While I am a big proponent of promoting safe practices for all, I believe that encouraging providers to avoid hotels is bad for business.  There are a huge number of visitors that stay in hotels and do not wish to leave the luxury and safety of their resort to visit an unfamiliar provider in an unfamiliar location.  For many mongers this shifts the risk equation out of balance and will cause them to find a different provider that is willing to come to their hotel or forego the activity altogether.   Prior to buying a home in the area I was one of those guys and as a general rule I avoided incall dates for anything but rub&tugs, and even then preferred outcall.

In my opinion the best way to mitigate risk is to stick to tried and true procedures and do not deviate for any reason.  Thorough screening for everyone, every time, no exceptions

Much of this is true, but you can't screen for the situation of a busted John having LE use his identity and valid references. Just keep that in mind.

review up..

Yep you are correct on that account, there really is no defense against that tactic.  Let's just hope there aren't many spineless pricks out there willing to ruin the lives of many just to lessen their own misfortune.