Not being defensive, but thought some of the guys might comment on this, as the ladies did in Zoe's. Zoe, I promise this is not a slam, and would buy you drinks in a heartbeat. And would love to meet your lady friends at a meet and greet sometime.
Goofus
Looks: Doesn't matter
Performance: 2, Should've stayed home
I contacted a local lady for a rendez-vous. She called 5 minutes after the appointment was to begin and said she would be another 15 minutes. I said sure, figuring she would be grateful. Seeing her, I was reminded at how good photographers can make anything look good. She did not look at all like the stunning woman of class with the cute girlish charm I had seen on the website. She looked road hard and put away wet. She said her last appointment ran over. She had quickly showered, but had not put on any make-up. We began to talk, and she started her list of woes about wantng to get out of the business, her boyfriend that ripped her off, her kids being sick and her cat that ran away. I felt like leaving, but given my time investment, figured I would go through with the session, but quickly. We kissed lightly. I could tell she was not a sensual woman like her pictures had led me to believe. Her touch was ackward. And she could not stop looking around the room. Obviously, she did not know what to do, so I prompted her that we should get comfortable. The bed linens had not been changed since her last session. She grabbed at me. Went into mechanical mode. And as I thought about my favorite provider, I had my O. I could tell she believed that all men were just for $$$ and that she thought she was special because I had came. I got up, left without taking a shower (the bathroom was full of old towels). And still had 15 minutes left in the session. Funny, she was highly recommended by some unknown folks and the assistant who probably had never slept with her. She smiled a fake smile. I smiled goodbybe and left. I saw two reviews later that week from two more folks. Average at best. I kept thinking to myself, it would have been better to pleasure myself. Would I recommend her? No. But will I write a bad review in a public spot? No. I don’t want the heat from all the guys she sucks up to who shill for her. Or hear how I am not a nice guy or clean or some other attack, because in this business, you do not attack the ladies. Makes me want to get a girlfriend…
A hypothetical review part 2
Gallant
Looks: Doesn't matter
Performance: 9
I schedule with Gallant. She showed up right on time. She was dressed to kill and looked just like her pictures. The gift was in sight and she excused herself to the bathroom with the card and came back after freshening up her makeup. Her smile was so sincere. She sat close to me and brushed her arm against mine. Her conversation was intelligent about the surroundings. Asked about my background in a sincere way. And read my slight nervousness. She held my hand and talked for a while and asked if we could go get comfortable. Being completely aware of the time so I did not feel shorted by all the conversation. When we got to the room, she slowly started to undress, revealing elegant lingerie. She started to unbutton my shirt, but being anxious, I finished it myself and she just smiled an evil grin. Laying on the bed, without major tattoos or piercings that had not been described, I felt her soft clean skin. She smelled wonderful. Her hair was clean. She had offered me a mint prior to us getting on the bed, even though I had just showered and brushed my teeth. She had unique techniques and always had a smile in her eye focusing on me. When I was finished, she got up, got me a warm towel and gently cleaned me off. She got back in bed, snuggled against me, and reached over and put my arm around me. Realizing our time was up, she squeezed me gently, got up, and slowly dressed while I laid there watching her. Being coy, asking if we might get together again sometime. As I walked her to the door, she commented again on some of the surroundings, gave me a wonderful kiss goodbye, smiled shyly, and left. My heart was beaming. And she left me with a smile for two days. And knowing why at times, affection from a wonderful lady beats the alternatives. Would I recommend her? I sent the best guys in the country her information the next day. Suggested they run, not walk to get an appointment as this lady was going to get busy and her rates would go up over time as she got a great group of regulars and could choose to be with guys that are more like friends. It would become an mutually rewarding friendship. And the next day, as she sent me a thank you e-mail about how wonderful our times was together, I began to think about taking her to Mexico for a few days.
Ladies – we buy the fantasy. Yes, the performance must be what we want, and we know we cannot ask you over the phone (which is why we often wait for trusted reviews from our peers). Ever wonder why I guy does not come back even though you think you click? He will never tell you and most likely not post about it in public. But we know – like you ladies talk, so do the guys. Because our money must be spent wisely. We did not get money by spending it foolishly.
Great reviews...but then you gents don't need to post hypothetical reviews; you get to post REAL ones in the reviews section! The point of my post is that while there are in depth reviews out there on the ladies, there is often very little info on the gents (even when we check references with another provider they do not go into a blow-by-blow account of their session). Unfortunately, because the reviews are so one-sided, you often don't get to see the truth behind the review, or the reasons behind a provider's behavior (my example was that no one wants to kiss someone whose breath smells like yesterday's trash).
Hopefully you've never had an experience like your hypothetical one with Goofus...if you did I can guarantee it wasn't with a girl I work with!
As far as buying me drinks, I may take you up on that one of these days...as soon as I can tear myself away from the girls for an evening!
...and the reviews are not always real or they are inflated - YMMV - or posted by people we do not know. This is entertainment after all 
. Fortunately, I now have more Galant experiences, but a Goofus does manage its way in as I take the word of someone I think I know.
As far as info on gents, I would encourage (and actually have been wanting to set this up) for ALL the ladies to meet and become "friends" including the agency owners. It is VERY positive for the hobby (I can share other geographies that do that and the business prospers).
While you and Taylor do a great job, you do not know first hand how your girls are with guys (only way would be to video and then it would be staged). How shall I say, moods come into play with the ladies at time (chemistry between a guy and a girl). SO what a girl says and what a guy says, well the truth may lie in the middle. Or the lie may be in the middle of the truth (given the drama of this business).
I am curious about the word "guarantee" you used. SO, if a session was not as expected, all fees, time restraints, cleanliness, brushing of the teeth, etc... was in order, and the lady was having an (to be fair) off day, what would you do to make it right? Actually, would love to hear that from all the agency ladies. I mean, lateness, drama during the session, cleanliness on the girls part, service.... what do you do to fix it...
-w
You asked, "SO, if a session was not as expected, all fees, time restraints, cleanliness, brushing of the teeth, etc... was in order, and the lady was having an (to be fair) off day, what would you do to make it right? Actually, would love to hear that from all the agency ladies. I mean, lateness, drama during the session, cleanliness on the girls part, service.... what do you do to fix it..."
I first want to mention that I thank my lucky stars every day for Mya and the QT's. I started in this business over a year ago completely on my own and without a mentor or sounding board, so when I came here and decided to work in this business again, I assumed I would do it the same way. Thankfully, a gent listed Mya as a reference and she and I hit it off right away. She books for me and although I "technically" don't work FOR Phoenix QT's, I NEVER ever forget that you gentlemen call Phoenix QT's to book time with me and I always remember that I represent one of the best agencies in the valley. Now, that said...
I am not a provider who can walk right in, disrobe and dive right in. I love to get to know my gentleman callers and I spend ample time getting to know them during a session. Generally speaking, when a gent books an hour with me, if he has time, he spends more like an hour and twenty minutes or so with me. I never rush, I always make my friends feel welcomed, embraced and right at home at my incall. For example, there was a gentleman I met early on in my career who spent about two hours with me (he booked one). We spent about an hour and a half of it talking because we had that chemistry, we were both from similar areas and we had tons in common. We had a blast.
However, we only spent about half an hour intimately entwined. I didn't feel this was fair so upon his departure, I told him the next time we spent time together, I would extend a $150 discount on an hour booking. I felt this was only fair because let's face it, you can have good conversation for free generally speaking. I believe in good customer service and I believe very heavily in treating others as I would like to be treated. If, for instance, I booked a massage and the therapist and I had spent an hour talking because we genuinely liked one another and had things in common but she only had enough time to give me a half hour massage when I booked an hour, I would feel as though I was short changed and would expect accomodations to be made for future sessions.
Bottom line: If I'm having an off day, it is not at all fair to allow you to spend your very hard earned money and receive bad service. I've had a day or two where I haven't felt up to par and I simply let Mya know that today is not a good day for seeing gents. However, if I felt after the session that you really didn't have a good time and it was because my mood was a little off, rest assured I will be the first person to apologize and offer you a discount on a future booking to make amends for my mood. In the end, we are all human beings and we all basically need the same things in life. Equal and fair treatment are two very important needs we have as humans on the basic level and in relationship to this hobby.
Love,
Megan
Let's see how many reply to this one
I'll reply but I have to hurry because I'm getting ready for another PARTY!!!
I have refunded clients money, sent them someone "free of charge", given them discounts etc. because someone wasn't completely satisfied with the service. Depending on what the complaint was depended on what "refund" he received. Sometimes you and a provider just don't click and you will never know until you meet, but I do everything in my power to keep that from happening. You are right in that I don't know for sure what happens, but I listen to both sides and, as I was taught in every college business class I took (yes, I have a business degree and am actualy using it!), the customer is always right. One of the advantages of using an agency is that you can be "refunded" if things didn't go right.
I could go on and on, but as I said, I've got a PARTY to go to! Hopefully we can talk about this in person soon!
I do have to start off by saying I do not own or run an agency. You may say that Scottsdale's Elite SEEMS like an agency, so you will refer to it as such, and that is fine, but it is not an agency. Having said that:
I am here for a variety of reasons. One of them is to ensure that the gentlemen my girls meet with have a good experience. Often times I will ask them before their session if they would mind if I call them afterwards to see how it went. Often times, they call me. In my short time as an assistant here in Arizona, I have developed a relationship with a few "regulars" where we communicate quite regularly.
If you met one of the girls from Scottsdale's Elite, and did not feel that the session "measured up," I would absolutely encourage you to call or e-mail ([email protected]) me to let me know. I would make it a priority to fix it, and if it called for it, YES...I would get you your gift back. However, I won't pretend that my girls have a money-back-no-matter-what policy. One gentleman I talked to after his session said he had a wonderful time, but thought I should know that his date answered the door barefoot. He said her dress was very nice, and her shoes were present, but she had kicked them off before answering the door. He said HE didn't mind that, but he knew some guys would. So no "money-back-guarantee" if a girl doesn't have shoes on when answering the door, or for any other mundane complaints such as those, although there is an across-the-board policy on giving a significant discount if a girl is more than a couple minutes late for an incall session (has only happened once so far).
I know what you mean about other cities having a tighter-knit provider community. I come from one of those cities, and miss that aspect dearly. My welcome to Phoenix has been mixed. Some providers and gentlemen have been wonderful and extremely hospitable. Others...have not been.
I also agree with what you said about the truth being somewhere in the middle...and I do not believe that there is any excuse for a half-assed session. I have always told girls that if they feel they cannot for whatever reason go through with a date, they need to GIVE THE GIFT BACK and politely ask to end the session. Additionally, I now tell them that if thier needs as a provider aren't being met, they need to make them be known, and make them be met (i.e. ask him to brush his teeth) so they CAN provide an excellent session. For more details on that, see my post "Jordan" under "Scottsdale's Elite is up and running," 9-7-04.
Like I said before, if you do not want to see any girls I work for, don't. If you do, but want to ensure a few things first, feel free to call or e-mail me. If some of the more active members on this board would like to meet me for a drink to "check me out" in person, I would be willing to do that too.
I am here to provide excellent service to all those I work with and for, and my hope is that I will build fulfilling business and personal relationships in doing so.
P.S. I'll buy YOU a drink if you can tell me the origins of Goofus and Gallant.
Nope...but the offer is still good for anyone who remembers who they are!
Hmmmmmmm Zoe, your girls are only as good as you think they are,
"(my example was that no one wants to kiss someone whose breath smells like yesterday's trash).
This is where style and class come in, for instance if one of your girls was to outcall at my place she would visit the bathroom with me and i would hand her a brand new toothbrush and a cup for mouthwash and we would brush our teeth together. You can buy toothbrushes by the gross cheap. On incall if i remember, I bring my own supplies or make a stop for mints or gum although i prefer a brush. I dont believe your ladies would be offending anyone if they invited them to join them in a good brushing or shower. I could go on and on and on and as far as
"if you did I can guarantee it wasn't with a girl I work with!"
a guarantee, you cant. They girls would all have to be from Stepford. Playing he said she said just dosent work. It's all in the screening (hiring) process and you nor i are perfect.
PS if they smoke, guess what? we know it because all the perfume in the world cant hide the stink on the clothes and hair.
I CAN guarantee that that story wasn't with a girl I work with. I cannot guarantee their mood or even their performance, but what I can guarantee is this:
My girls are not late, unless it is to an outcall and they get lost.
They are not late to incalls, and if they are (once in a great while), a discount is automatically given.
Their incall is extremely upscale, always clean and always fresh.
They would never show up with no makeup straight from another session.
Some girls smoke. I can guarantee that they don't smoke during their session or right before it (and certainly as an experienced hobbiest you should know that if any hint of cigarettes is a big turn-off, you should ask if the girl smokes before your session).
If any of the above ever happened, I would refund part if not all of the gift.
You don't even have to talk to or argue with the girl, you would just simply call me and I would take care of it.
Guaranteed.
Wanderer, I was gonna reply but you pretty much said it all and i know what you mean by...
"But will I write a bad review in a public spot? No. I don’t want the heat from all the guys she sucks up to who shill for her. Or hear how I am not a nice guy or clean or some other attack, because in this business, you do not attack the ladies. Makes me want to get a girlfriend…"
I simply cant hold back sometimes and man o man I've been called every name in the book. Shills and girls come and go but i'm still here doing what i love to do. Peace Dan
Two well-respected hobbyists, two excellent posts. I can only lean back and agree with both Wanderer and Danny. The girl (Zoe, I think) had good points as well, and if her post woke up some guys, and Wanderer's post woke up some providers, then this board has done well for all this week.
We all know that everyone's reviews (yeah, Danny, even mine LOL) need to be read with some latitude, and the old phrase YMMV is never, ever overused in this hobby.
Have a great weekend!
Wanderer hit the nail on the head. It is so easy to tell which providers like what they do versus the ones who just do it to get the quick $$ and get the quick O and out the door. They do not last. And for the hobbyist who can't be a gentlemen, well the great providers will stop seeing these guys. You said it all in your response.,
Shhhh....
Dont tell EVERYONE about Isabella...
Darling,
I'll meet you anytime anywhere you want. My encounter with you met his Ms Gallent description to a Tee. I don't think I've EVER had a better 1st encounter with anyone. Even though its a "business" some people just have a knack for making others FEEL special...I dont think my feet even hit the pavement on the way out.
xoxoxo
Dave
In response to your debating....
I would have to say that maybe a quick chat with the lady/ ladies before seeing them might alleviate some worries.
I know that I always try to have an intimate conversation with anyone interested in seeing me. In doing this, you can bring up questions such as personal preferences and tastes...You can request cleanliness and timeliness from the person you are meeting (this goes for both ladies and gents), and in the same respect, you can also see if there is some chemistry. If you are calling an agency, just request a three way conversation with the lady. I dont think that anyone would refuse to have a conversation with someone before such an intimate encounter.
If you are still hesitant, request to meet for coffee or a drink before your date. If the lady is truly genuine about meeting you and you are about meeting her, sometimes we can bend the rules.
This all means the difference between an intimate encounter with someone you already know a little about and a quick session with not much feeling and no knowledge of the other person.
If both sides respect each others worries, expectations and boundaries then there would be no problem.
However, if a guy is seeing a lady just based on her looks even though the reviews speak poorly of her, then you are just not that worried about getting quality....Beauty comes from inside just as much as from outside.
I know I am very personable with my friends and always provide a non rushed, sensual atmosphere....however when circumstances arise that provide scheduling conflicts...school, family or just plain getting sick...and the guy pushes for the appt knowing you are not able to offer 100% due to the circumstances...then I dont know what to say. He knew she was not fully there and was not going to be...but insisted on the date instead of taking her up on the reschedule.
There are many factors that come into play when finding someone that is suitable for you...not all of us are out there to just take the money and run....just look around here in phx...and find someone you feel there is a connection with beforehand.
Hope my 2 cents helps.....
Kisses and Hugs, Madison
ladies for the replies. Honestly, I can tell by them that the spirit of good business is in the words spoken. And I have no doubt the actions would be taken. This is a far cry from the environment of two-three years ago here in Phoenix. And that is a great start.
Thank you again for the responses. I think threads like this help folks know that all is fair and ok at least to by those who replied.
One of the things I know I am uncomfortable with, is the idea of calling and complaining. Yes, it needs to be done I guess. Or constructive criticism. And sometimes, it is made right immediately. Sometimes not. It is the sometimes not that gives guys a bad taste. And that is a shame. But this is such a personal business, unlike any other, that it is difficult to express what we feel because at the onset, we do want the fantasy - and do not want to have to explain that it was not. I am not sure how to solve that dilema - it will always be there - but it is something that this "getting tighter" community will eradicate over time as people get to know each other.
Peace,
-W