I'm going to vent...Several months ago I met a Phoenix escort in Vegas for a weekend.  When I expressed concern I could not give her expected donation she said that's ok, she didn't want money for intimate times, just to go as "friends". After the weekend we exchanged emails about what a good time we had.  Then one she sent accused me of being cheap. The hotel room I paid for was approved by her prior to arriving, I paid for all the meals at places she wanted to eat at and she complained about the pearl earrings I purchased that she picked out. She's put me on such a guilt trip I sent some funds to her a couple of weeks ago and what did I receive back , absolutely nothing, not a "Thanks,I received your gift" or a "kiss my ass" (which is what I expected).

I'm not going to flame her by mentioning her name , but her unfgrateful attitude will eventually itself with other clients and in her reviews.

Im sorry to hear that happened to you. To be honest even some of us nice providers that like to help other providers have been burned like that to. It Sucks that even the words Thank You are so hard for some people to say.

dc22 you owe it to brother hobbyist to divulge her id so none of the other hobbyist get tagged.

I am certain that there are many of us who would like to know which Phoenix provider you are speaking about. That is why back channels exist. One of the things I don't understand in your post is, if the person in question agreed to the arrangements in the first place, why are you feeling guilty about any of this?

You can say my name as I will tell everyone the true story. He is speaking about me, Diana. Providers beware of men who pay $200.00 to you and then think they own you. If you don't jump when they say jump, you get bad reviews and silly posts like this!!! Anyone who knows me, Diana is my name, knows I am very sincere and do my best to please.

I will not mention this provider publicly on this board.   You're right I shouldn't feel guilty, just think of me as a nice guy.

Heres what probly happened. When she got back to town after a wonderful trip she told another provider about Vegas. I'll bet she caught a lot of crap about going for free (free, yea right)And this made her feel used like you were taking advantage of her. You sir did nothing wrong and i do hope will e-mail mr with her name so i dont make the same mistake. I often take special providers on my trips and I cant afford their multi day rates. They have a choice of going on an all expense paid mini vacation or NOT. JMHO Cheers Danny

I'm sorry to hear about your experience but not surprised. There a some wonderful providers who love what they do and truly enjoy men. But there are also some bad ones who just want to use them for all that they can get. I think we all know which kind you met in Vegas. What a shame that she couldn't appreciate a man doing all that he was able to do to show her a good time.

Money is wonderful but it isn't everything.  It's the spirit of the giving that means the most...from both sides ;o)

Yeah, and that's all you ever asked for, even after every session which last well beyond 2 hours (7 total over two plus years including a previous overniter)even though I called every time the next day and offered more which you turned down. Go ahead and post warnings about me, I'm moving to another state in a few weeks and starting a new life where no one will know who I am.

Wndrwmn25 posted this message in response to M-man's request for provider name. The time between M-man's post and wndrwmn25's post is only five minutes.  How could she know what his request would be, respond  and get it approved so quickly unless she's both persons or she had her S.O. post it? To me, it looks like she was trying to trap  dc22 into posting her name.

Okay people, here goes. The trip to Vegas was over a year and a half ago. Nothing was wrong until a month ago when this man found out I went to Vegas with another client. Now all the posts about me being ungrateful and the scheduling practices. Can't anyone see this is a jealous man and he wants your sympathy. The trip he paid for was ONE NIGHT AT BALLY's and the meals were a bagel and coffee and then OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE. The earrings were $200.00 which included a pearl I told him to give to his daughter. I did not want the earrings for just this reason. He INSISTED I get them. This man is an obsessive person and thinks he is destroying me on the boards and in fake reviews. He has emailed me threats and let me know what he thinks of me as being a whore who spreads her legs for money. He is obsessed and needs to get over it. I see other clients! Anyone who knows me personally or professionally knows EXACTLY the kind of person I am. The Racist crap is tied to this also. Hopefully you all can calm down and go on to other things. THIS HAPPENED OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO!!! THE TRIP WAS ONE NIGHT - Bally's  on a discounted night. As an appointment,  this client spent three hours at my house and I gave him dinner because he wouldn't leave. Said he would pay me extra - $200.00 for the appointment and a $20.00 tip. Who is ungrateful?

Something very similar happened to me last fall.  I had spent a great evening with a provider recomended by another provider.  During the evening Vegas came up and she mentioned she had not been there for several years.  About a week later a sudden two day business trip to Vegas came up.  Wanting some companionship I gave her a call and ask if she would like to go.  I also mentioned I could not afford an over night rate but would pay all expenses.  

She jumped at the offer and three days later we flow off to Vegas. We had a great lunch, I went to my meetings and we met about four to go shoping for a outfit for dinner and a show.  A new dress, neckless, earrings and handbag later we went back to the hotel to get ready for dinner. I was all set for a little activity but she was tired out from all that shopping and begged off. (This should have been a real clue.)  After the most expensive dinner I have ever had in Vegas and a major show we went dancing at one of the best night clubs.  After about an hour she wanted to go to the Ghost-bar so off we went to the Palms.

There was over an hour wait so we decided to go back to the hotel.  We went to the restrooms and she dissappeared.  I waited for about 10 minutes, sent a couple of gals in to check for her with no success.  Waited around for another half-hour and then went back to the hotel.  It is now 2am.  I called her cell phone from the room and she answers, said she got invited up to the Ghost-bar by a couple of guys and is on her way back to the hotel.  Call again at about 3am and she answers and says she went with them to a party and would be back soon.  About four I call again and no answer so I leave a voice mail.  She comes back to the room about 6am and crawles into the second bed.  At this point I don't even want to say a word.  Needless to say breakfast and the flight home were alittle bit creepy.  She had no excuse, no remorse and I had no sex.  Welcome To Vegas.




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OMG!!!!!! I read that story with my Mouth Wide Open! That was just Plain Rude!!! I hope that I don't associate with the girl that did that to you... I hope you took South West Airlines where you can pick your own seat...LOL

Whenever I go to Vegas I Normally go to "work" and yeah, I'll spend a day sightseeing and I'll maybe hit a show, But I have Always wanted to spend a weekend or just a couple of days there as a companion, and Girls like her have to Screw it up for the ones that would truly take care of you for taking care of us. That Sucks!

First rule on trips is set the ground rules in advance.  Make sure you have a clear understanding of what both parties will and won't do.  In your case you assumed for the trip and gifts and stuff you would get laid.  she may assumed it was just that a trip with no expectation on your part if it was ot discussed up front.  I go to Vegas a lot (every four to five weeks) If I take someone both know what the expectations are.  If the lady is not interested in that arrangment thats okay cause there is always one who is.

Nice try you get an A for effort but tell the real truth.  The trip was in late Oct. last year. We agreed to meet again in Feb. of this year, and I purchased tickets for Celine Dion (almost $400). You cancelled that trip using the excuse you couldn't find a dogsitter and was very apologetic because "your dream trip was a bust" (actual quote from your email). I stand by my original post of you approving the hotel (it was on the strip, your only request), selecting the places to eat,  selecting the earrings which quite a bit more than $200. My daughter's pendant was appraised at $150. As far as accusing me of an earlier post, I have nothing to do with that. I post under one and only name, I don't pretend to be anyone else. I've always given you at least 25-50% tip on top of your regular donation because of the extra time. You fed me dinner on the second time I saw you, a precooked frozen chicken breast and warmed up veggies. I saw you after that 4 other times at your apartment and each time I took you to dinner, Stuart Andersons and Pischkes. If you fed me dinner because I "wouldn't leave" why did you continue to let me see you, each time  for more than 2 hours. I'm not obsessed with you, I'm just using this forum to let my fellow hobbyists know what happened to me from someone who's only concern is materialistic and if I can save them some trouble then my goal has been reached. I would post the same about ANY ESCORT. I am no longer going to debate this issue publicly with you on this forum if you have an issue you know my email.

I thought the ground rules were set.  I mentioned there was no way I could be with her for two days and sleep together without some action and she said of course, neither could she.  I think she got plenty of action, not in trade for money but for coke.

I had never had anything like this happen before and when I tried to talk to her about it she just clamed up and withdrew.  One of the problems was she was far prettier than most providers and she got looks everywhere we went.  Lesson Learned

I don't know about this one.  I think dc22 should have kept this one private between himself and wndrwmn25.  

It sounds like the trip to Vegas went OK and the argument is over if she is grateful or not.  Whatever!  She's a working women who trys to please many.  If one is not satisfied there are many too choose from.  I don't know her personally but most of her reviews talk about how nice she is and how she trys hard to please.  I've always thought of her as one of the honest ones just trying to make a living.

The person I would like to know about is the Classless provider that slowstart got stuck with.  Now that's ungrateful...

Something similar happened to me a few years back with IvyLace...not sure if she works any more or under a different name.  I did get a session proir to travel, but unfortunately paid her upfront so she would have her own money for gambling.  She never did join me in our room, at 7am and noon the next day she was still having fun in the casino...with 2 different guys...she didn't want to drive back at that time and she volunteered to fly...so I left after looking at the guys id..in case something happened to her.  She had parked her vehicle in my garage for safey.  When I requested some money back..she threatened to call the police...yea right.  Well these calls went on for several hours and when she finally arrived...she did return some of my money...not by choice.  So, yes it is good to get the ground rules upfront...which I did...but something can still happen...set the donation amount,,and that clothes, jewelry etc are not gifts but part of the payment, agree on the minimum amount of sessions expected...and even after all that...there will probably still be some unexpected problems...maybe it would be easier and wiser to just see the providers of Vegas.  Some providers and hobbyists on this board may remember a similar post I made on another board a few years back.

ND I remember your story, and as much as I love IVY I am so sorry that happend to you as well, Im still having problems reaching her to this day. The last I heard she wasn't working, I wish she would call me no matter what is going on...

Very rude lady I agree completely...and  remember I was going to take some time to play w/you two... lol

I disagree with you.  dc22 did try to keep it private by not revealing wndrwmn25's name.  His post could have been about any of the girls who are listed on phoenix411 or eros. Wndrwmn25 made it public by posting it was her and she even started to go personal by mentioning dc22 had a daughter. She has no right to post anything personal about anyone and I have to wonder how far will she go.  If she is that indiscreet then I certainly will not see her and every gentlemen should beware of her.