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Advising providers
3centagos 2416 reads
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IMHO giving providers advice on how to run their business is never a good idea unless (perhaps, maybe, marginally reasonable if) they ask for it, in which case beware also..
Because of the intimate nature of this business (the term GFE ring a bell) it really can be almost like talking to your GF or SO and we all know how delicate these financial discussions can be..
Anway, maybe you two should Option 1, have a heart to heart discussion or Option 2, never communicate with eachother again.

Just my 3 cents,
--pnum3

Why absolutely no one in this community can stand him. If you're interested in reading a lovely, insulting email from our resident pompous ass, feel free to email me. I'll enjoy sharing it. Suffice it to say, he's a little pimp wannabe who thinks he has a clue about how we ladies should and do run our business. It's a rather humorous piece if it and he weren't so pathetic.

Laughing my ass off,

Megan

azhacker3101 reads

just how clueless you are. Feel free to post the exact text here if you want. I will paraphrase however.....

I was suprised that someone who's been around so long has to post a "special"....especially one that clearly indicates she's hurting financially. After all how much does a TER membership cost....or a cricket phone?

My Title was "this is none of my business"...

And the message body more or less communicated that she should have a pretty deep set of contacts that she can back channel stuff like this to. At no time did I offer to "help" her or ask for a discount....what I did was tell her that if she's so smart and has such good marketing background she should use it.

Truthfully I should have learned my lesson the last two times I tried to help her. Its pretty obvious this is someone who cant hold a job in the real world and isnt really a success here either.

Megan your obviously a serious headcase.....

But there are several providers who prefer email contact first before speaking on the phone. 86'ing the phone may not have had anything to do with her financially.

Do you send "Helpful" emails to every lady who posts a special on the board? Who cares? Sometimes we're in good moods and want to share with someone. Having a special is not always an indication a lady is hurting financially. NO WHERE in her post, did I read that she is low on funds.

I've been around for almost 2 years now, and I do not keep records of any kind. So, even if I was hurting for $$, I wouldn’t have a list of contacts to send out "Special" info to.

Things aren't always as you see them. If you thought it was "none of your business" enough to title your email that way, then one should exercise enough self control to resist sending the email.

God forbid a lady actually enjoys what she does!! I guess I should be shot, along with Megan and others I know who actually get gratification other than financial benefits from this profession!


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azhacker3361 reads

This is someone who had others paying her 411 bill for 6 months or more. For some reason some of you gals (not pointing at you) dont seem to want to give guys credit. This is an expensive hobby, very few unsuccessful people play often or for long. So we understand the "rules of business"...your no different then my lawyer or accountant....your simply another highly valued service provider whose job is make my world run a bit smoother and nicer. I pay them thosands of dollars a year just like you (collectively) and I expect the same level of candor. So when you make a cvomment like this it simply means you dont really know....or you dont think I do.

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my level and explain. I am expected to act like a lawyer and accountant why? Because we are paid in the same hourly bracket? Why should that make me act as someone that I am not?

I am me, and I get paid for being me. I dont act, I dont lie. I'm me. I'd be willing to stand out on a limb and say thats why people like me also.

Your comment about expecting the same level of "Candor" is precisely my definition for the word... "Frankness or sincerity of expression; openness."

Megan is certainly the Epitome of someone who knows Candor.

Point is, I want you to explain why you feel the need to send this to her after she posts a special. When I run my Thursday $95.00/30 minute special you dont email me with a list of ways I should have been smarter about it, telling me I should have a black book... I'm proud of the fact that I have no black book. I use my good Young memory, which tends to serve me quite well.

"So when you make a cvomment like this it simply means you dont really know....or you dont think I do."
Don't think you know the "rules of the business" as you call them? Yeah, I guess I assumed you dont. I only made that assumption from your lack of tact when trying to make it seem like someone is hurting financially when I know that you really dont know if she is or not.

Someone who knows the "Rules" wouldnt poke their nose in her biz if she's asked you not to contact her.

I guess I'm miffed as to why there is no response to all the points I made in my original response to this thread. She has a choice to have no cell phone, she has a choice to post a special as do others on this board as long as they are within the guidlines and it does NOT necessarily indicate she's hurting for $$, and she has a choice to keep records, and I'm glad she's smart enough not to.




azhacker2870 reads

but your implying a bunch of stuff thats not true either. 1st, did you find my email offensive? 2nd, did I ever email you regarding your special?

I was offering general help to someone who really needs it. I didnt offer her anything or promise to set her up...or ask for anything. I was simply trying to be nice.

I could care less if your miffed, and I did respond to what I thought was relevent....you didnt respond to the fact that she couldnt pay her 411 bill...or for TER....

So either you dont know....or think I dont.

Jack paid my 411 bill in November and December and I didn't know until January that it was him. I would go to pay Glen and he would tell me that I had a secret benficiary who paid it for me and it wasn't until I went to work for Jack that he told me it was Jack. I never asked Jack to do it and had no idea who was doing it. It was for two months, not six. Again, get your information correct. All of it.

Hacker, for someone who hints that he's a successful business person, you use the words, "your" and "then" incorrectly. The fact of the matter is that you don't know how the escort business works any more than I know how an accountant runs his/her business or a restaurateur runs his business. You may think it's as "simple as it looks" but there is an awful lot that goes into running a successful, independent escorting business than what is posted here or in reviews. If you'd like to stop pretending you know everything and actually learn something about how this works, why don't you actually ASK Tina or myself instead of pushing and pushing and admitting that things are none of your business then making it your business anyhow?

Hacker, if you expect the same level of service (because candor is the wrong word) for your money, perhaps you should do a few things:

1. Realize that in order to receive respect, you must also give it. This completely escapes you in email and on this board. I don't know how you are in person because I was so disgusted with your arrogance in your first email to me, you were immediately blacklisted as a potential client in my mental portfolio.

2. Paying a lady for her time and companionship is nothing like paying your attorney to bail you out of situations (I would be willing to bet) your mouth gets you into nor is it like paying your accountant to manage your receipts and file your taxes. It's a bit; no, it's a LOT different. I suspect neither your accountant or attorney spends an hour in front of the mirror getting ready for your arrival, puts him/herself in the mindset of being your girlfriend for the hour, asks how your life and/or day are going and genuinely listens when you tell them, etc.

3. It is not an Escorts job to make your world or life or any other facet of your life run more smoothly. It's an Escort's job to entertain you emotionally and perhaps physically for the allotted amount of time in an agreed-upon fashion then send you back to your life. We are not responsible in any way, shape or form for how your life or world works.

and finally,

4. Both parties in this hobby give credit when and where credit is due on a constant basis. Both publicly and privately. Whether you run your career or personal life successfully or not is not for us to determine, praise or credit you. It's your mommy and daddy's job to give you credit for your successes. It's your wife and children's job (if you have them) to give you credit for keeping a roof over their head, food on the table, etc.

There are plenty of people on this board, however, who do give credit to those of us in this community who are kind, compassionate, caring, concerned, respectful, honorable, and wonderful individuals to each other in this hobby. If you were to display some or even one of the attributes I just mentioned, you may receive some credit for being a positive contributor to this hobby, board and community as well. However, you enjoy tearing both fellow hobbyists and providers down verbally and emotionally and rarely contribute anything positive to the discussion on this board. So, if you feel you aren't receiving "credit" from the ladies on this board, take a step back and perhaps emulate what the men who DO get public credit from the ladies are doing and you may get some positive recognition yourself.

Hacker, as long as you continue to post things like what you stated to me in the email this morning and flat out lies by stating that other people pay for my advertising for half a year or more and that Jack fed me "a lot of overflow," and that you're not sure if I'm half as smart as I think I am, you will always be perceived by your peers as what you are; a liar, a cruel and insecure person, and a disrespectful cad who quite clearly thrives on negative attention.

Any credit you don't feel like you get in this community is of your own making. I'm surprised that a man who claims to be such a "success" in business has never been told the golden rule of assumption. Now, take a step back and evaluate yourself through the eyes of your peers and consider why you receive the responses you do. It's not all that difficult to do a search and see just how unpopular your cruel intentioned posts have made you, but we're a pretty forgiving society so I'm sure if you just apologize, mean it and correct some of your behavior you'll be given all the credit that people like Modprod, Thor18, TrashyCat, and many others receive. Everyone earns their standing in society, Hacker, even this one. You've earned yours just the same as everyone else here and in life has. You also have the sole power of changing people's opinion of you, just the same as the rest of us do. I wish you luck.

Megan

azhacker3967 reads

You took a sincere and well meaning private post and  tryed to turn it into something else. I dont have the inclination to trade comments with a mental midgit (that means either you or trashy cat). My email and your crude comments stand for the record and all can judge as they see fit...BTW I could name another provider who also payed your 411 bill...but I see no need to continue this thread or any other interaction with you. I'll give anyone a second (or third) chance but you've proven again your not worth the thought or effort...

azhacker1788 reads

I actually know alot more about running a successful escort business then either you or Tina....by far. I can back up everything I posted. Can you, in your opening remarks you called me a "pimp" which implies a specific type of relationship....yet my email in no way asks for or offers anything. I dont know if you have a drug problem or are simply deficent in some way...but for you to make the fictional leap from my email to your perception of reality clearly indicates you have one or more marbles missing....

This is none of my business....but you sure should have a better way to handle stuff. I know Jack used to feed you alot of overflow and I know numerous folks who think highly of you. You should have a black book a hundred guys deep you can back channel a special to if needed. I can never tell for sure if your 1/2 as smart as you think you are or not....but I give you credit for speaking your mind and continuing to plug away.

At the same time you seem to be continually struggling to find your place in the scheme of things....truthfully its just not this hard. You've got some marketing background....use it.

All the Best

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My Response:

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You don't know shit about me or about what happens in my life, you have never met me and you have no idea about my business. I will not even dignify your thinly veiled insults with a response, but I will say this....your information is so far off it's almost painful to read it.

You wonder why everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, on the Phoenix board and in this hobby community hates you, this would be an absolutely gleaming reason. You talk too much and you have absolutely no idea about that which you speak. Your own boardroom members hate you, XXXX and your personality is the very reason.

Please, once again, do not email me or contact me again. I've asked this of you before but I suppose it was my mistake to think you might actually respect the wishes of anyone besides yourself. You're a pompous turd on the face of humanity and a no one in this community.

Regards,

Megan

You were right, Hacker......it isn't any of your business. In obviously knowing that, you should have used your pea brain to deduce that I have asked you in the past not to contact me and you should have kept your uneducated hypothesis about MY business (one in which you've never worked, I might add), my business practices, and insults to yourself. Maybe it hasn't yet occurred to you, xxxxxxx, but very few people here have any respect or are even friendly towards you and there are a multitude of reasons why. This is just one example of the big picture that you don't see, Hacker. People have tried to explain it nicely, others have lost patience and explained it more directly but you still don't understand. Now once again, please don't contact me again. You're not invited to see me as a client as of the Summer of 2004, so there really is no reason to address me in email.

Megan

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-- Modified on 5/19/2006 4:12:53 PM

azhacker2962 reads

Trust me I wont make that mistake....and hopefully you'll figure things out someday.

Just so misinformation isn't floating around:

1. I'm not having any financial difficulty at all, I have the special for one day because I had surgery three weeks ago, I'm bored, healed and before I head out of town this weekend, I thought it would be fun to see some folks today and give them a discount at the same time.

2. Jack has sent me to see a sum total of two of his clients, for which I was grateful at the time last summer. Three if you count the ONE client of AZ Mystiques I saw when I spent three days working for his agency.

3. NO reputable Independent keeps a black book or database of clients and no reputable, private and respectfully discreet lady EVER emails a client out of the blue.

4. Since I don't see board room guys at the rates board room guys CHOOSE to pay, it cuts my Phoenix client base way down, so you're right, I don't fit into YOUR boys club scheme, but it certainly doesn't make me less intelligent, half as intelligent, or struggling to fit in with a group I'd prefer not to give 40% off to because they get to name their own price. I prefer to see gentleman who would never approach me the way you did TELLING me you won't pay more than $150-$200 BECAUSE you're a boardroom guy. Truthfully, you have no idea whether our (escorts) jobs are hard or not, you've never done this job because frankly, even if you were a woman, you're just not bright enough, kind enough, compassionate enough or respectful enough to deal with such a business.

Hacker, you're really a piece of work. Wonder once more why the ladies of Phoenix have basically stopped posting on this board. Voila.

Megan

azhacker2033 reads

1st

I'm not a member of "the boardroom"....which actually doesnt exist anymore. I'm not a member of the follow up group to "the boardroom"...which may or may not still exist.

2nd,

I see plenty of gals at "rack"...for example I never saw Isabella at anything other then her "rack" rate. I just saw Gina Marie last week (or two) at her published rate.

The truth is just about everyone has preferred or grandfathered rates for someone...it has nothing to do with any secret group. This isnt the 1st time you've breached a confidence or aired out "back channel" infor just to create some drama. You dont have much business here because to many people figured out your a loose cannon who cant be trusted to be discreet....

Turkey is my favorite food.My parents just got me a turkey fryer for my birthday.Does anyone know how to fry a turkey?

Thank you kind sir.  May I suggest that you also put him on moderation.  He creates a train wreck every time he posts.  Enough!!!!!

azhacker2853 reads

and my original email is there for you to read. Explain exactly what I did to deserve moderation on this one. You want to moderate someone for being a nice guy?

Do you know of any good restaurants that specialize in turkey.Any information would be appreciated.

who he clearly does not think highly of, about how to run her business? Why stir up trouble where none exists? Megan seems to be a big girl who can make grown up decisions, who are you, or any of us to question them?

Hacker, I've read many of your posts and reviews, you seem to be a smart guy whose opinion I often happen to agree with, but, this time you are dead wrong. You don't need to be moderated by Dingus, you need to moderate yourself and not create trouble for troubles sake.

Your right Dingus, this will be F'n train wreck, but one that did not need to happen.

NSF

azhacker3410 reads

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that I made a mistake...even I figured that one out:). Back  channel communication goes on all the time here. Since she didnt have a TER PM active I emailed her. The text is there to read, it wasnt offensive and it wasn't trolling for anything. I was actually curious and trying to be nice {strange as that seems}. My comments were both honest and sincere....it makes zero sense to me that she's struggling that badly. You run a same day special when you have no phone no TER PM and your gonna communicate via email and then check ref and then make an appointment....lets be real.

I've tried to help this gal out multiple times...1st posting for her in LA (which did het me moderated BTW)[no thanks from her EVER]. Then actually recomending her to a TER post for 411 {which got me another load of crap} and now this total misrepresentation of a genuinely well ment email.

I'm clueless how I've become a lightening rod for this type of garbage....but such is life:)

-- Modified on 5/18/2006 1:24:33 PM

3centagos2417 reads

IMHO giving providers advice on how to run their business is never a good idea unless (perhaps, maybe, marginally reasonable if) they ask for it, in which case beware also..
Because of the intimate nature of this business (the term GFE ring a bell) it really can be almost like talking to your GF or SO and we all know how delicate these financial discussions can be..
Anway, maybe you two should Option 1, have a heart to heart discussion or Option 2, never communicate with eachother again.

Just my 3 cents,
--pnum3

moebius82216 reads

You are both prone to the worst sort of drama.... I personally could not care any less, however out right flame wars on public boards are tacky. Now all and sundry know i dont mind a nice hot little discussion and keep my asbestos undies handy (if i wear any at all commando ftw!) but this isnt really the best forum.

i would suggest alt.flame on usenet or Fark.com (be ready for some interesting commentary on fark though).
"Gasp" maybe a nice quiet private flame war through email is what you both need. They are the best kind after all.

these type of posts along with all the shameless promotion is the reason I stopped posting on the most of the boards. I now use TER almost excusively for the reviews database...still the best $20 a month I spend.

In my humble opinion, a number of the Phoenix board regulars take this hobby way to seriously. This is suppose to be fun.

NiceGuy

moebius82382 reads

This thread is a thinly veiled attempt to generate curiousity and possibly a few appointments by Megan.

Note her admission that she has a smaller client base then most, and her special she is running.

she needs to be out in front of the board denizens right now for some reason probably financial.

There was a reason i put this one on the old dnc list now i have another.....Going after hacker for a poorly thought out email is one thing.....

Doing it to advertise your "special" is tacky....

It appears to me that Megan's posting was to complain about Hacker, and was not to attempt some far-fetched plan to drum up business.  I'm not taking sides, but:
1)  I see nothing wrong trying to give some helpful suggestions to an escort.  I do it all the time.  I always do so in an positive manner, though.
2)  Hacker seems to come off as abrasive in many of his posts, so Megan's reaction to the email was understandable.
3)  I think it would be best if both Megan and Hacker would ignore each other's posts in the future.
4)  I think Megan's performance record speaks for itself, and she wouldn't need to go out of her way to "drum up" business, but running specials is a nice way to increase repeat customers, and I would encourage her to do so. I would also encourage her to get a phone.  I think everyone would agree that a potential customer would appreciate hearing her voice, and would get an idea of her personality, and it would make the whole experience much more enjoyable, as well as being much more easy to set up a visit.

abaz2344 reads

Hey, Moby, Hacker, Megan:

Let’s all take a step back, breathe deep and focus on that bright white light at the end of the long blue tube which leads to eternal bliss. The desert is dry, but there is an oasis just over that next little ridge of hills. I know. Cleo and I have seen it.

All of us in this community are on the same exploratory trek. We are all seeking a new destiny. We are traveling together in a long train of covered wagons leading to greener pastures.  The end has yet to come. Things are not as glum as they seem. The future will be bright and glorious and new.

In this here great country of yours, the US cavalry always arrives in the nick of time, and we ARE the good guys. So, let’s circle the wagons, while Cleo and I scout the surrounding area. Never fear. We’ll return because the enemy is very superstitious and very bad. ( I’m quite certain the bad guys will leave us alone. They’ve never seen an ageless belly dancer swing a mighty scimitar while sitting astride a fluffy white lady battle camel that speaks with a slight lisp ).

The enemy won’t attack after sundown; so, sssssssh, Cleo and I will just sneak away in the dark and find out whose instigating all this internal strife…

Yes indeed, all this conflict and instability must be cause by an outside source, and Cleo and I think we know who is behind it all.

Now, if ya’ll would build a roaring camp fire, right in the middle of the wagons; break-out the fiddles, and pass the little brown jug… Then, go’a whoop’n and haller’n, and a kick’n up some dust; just a stomp’n and a dance’n in wild abandon. This will create the diversion Cleo and I will need to leave camp unnoticed.

Never fear, together will find the evil culprits cowering under some rock. We’ll flush them out and cut them down. We all know who these scum bags are; don’t we? Right makes might, and just remember we ARE the good guys.

LOVE AND PEACE,

Sheika Fatima  

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