This is really a two way street.  I emailed a very well reviewed provider who was going to be in town yesterday to see if she had anything very last minute.  She went off on a rant about how Philly sucks because she had booked an expensive hotel, had a number of pre-bookings, and then a whole bunch of last minute cancellations.  

OK...I perfectly well understand her frustration.  Philly has a terrible reputation and it is just for reasons like this.  We say we want quality ladies to come visit, then when they do, a select number of guys screw up their whole trip, they don't come back, they talk to their provider friends, etc.  Based on her experience, she said she wasn't taking anymore Philly appointments.  Again, I understand - sucks for me, but I get her point of view.

She emails me back a few minutes later saying that she checked me out more, saw that I am a reliable guys with great refs., etc. and apologized for spilling her rant on me.  Says if I am still interested, she has plenty of time because of all her cancellations.  Set a time for the appointment, gives me number to call, etc.

Appointed time comes, I call, no answer, I leave message.  Guess what, no return call from provider, no return email from provider, my evening is shot.  Now, I'm not going to give this woman's name, because she obviously had a pretty shitty Philly trip, and basically came to Philly and got cancelled on by just about everybody.  Was her NCNS for me retaliation, did she think I was also full of shit about actually showing up, I don't know.

Guys, this is why we have so few quality providers.  Especially considering this is such a huge city.  Go to DC, Phoenix, Atlanta, etc.  All comparable markets and you can't throw a rock without hitting a quality provider.  But here in Philly, the girls think the guys are cheap, the attitudes are lousy, and all we do is bitch.  And you know what..we're proving them right.  I basically travel to hobby now, which is ridiculous.  If you can't afford the provider, don't book and hope you'll scrape together the money when the time comes.  If you aren't sure whether or not you'll actually have the time for the date, don't book.  If you're like a groom on his wedding day who's going to get cold feet, don't book!  Honestly, I think there are a small number of guys who are seriously making hobbying for the rest of us very difficult.

I realize shit comes up, and sometimes a cancellation is inevitable, but as regualrly and as often as it is apparently happening here, its clearly not just shit coming up, its got to be a lot of what I listed above or other BS reasons.  I have never started a flame on this board, and I don't think this constitutes one, but if so...so be it.  This obviously needs to voiced again, even though its been voiced several times in the past.

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But with Philly it is a two way street. We get the shaft either way. Its happened to providers and clients..it just SUCKS!

Good Luck with your next provider.

Shane

Sorry you had that experience.

It is a two way street. I hate to say this, but providers do talk and keep each other informed and Philly does have a rep for guys not showing and last minute cancellations. I am hoping it doesn't happen to me!!!! I was a little leary about making the trip but the gents I am planning to see are respected on the board and I've had lots of contact with them.

Unfortunately, after we put alot of time and effort and money into meeting we get the occasional, or more, no show. It is frustrating and can definitely set a girl back if she is touring,as it hurts the guy that has to arrange his schedule, etc. But it happens in every business.

xoxo

that somewhat sucked the joy of the meeting right out of the room.  My encounter with Stevie was somewhat along these lines... however, she did show up and we had a good time.   BUT she had a number of cancellations and just was not willing to come back to philly.  We do it to ourselves.

I do not personally hobby a lot.  BUT, if a good looking gal is in town - I will try to see her, but I do not make an appointment unless I know that I have the time!  In short, if  i think that there is a chance that I will have to cancel - I don't book.  Now, while that means I do not see a lot of ladies, my sessions are pretty much all good.!  heck, I even have ladies getting me to do things I said I never would do (overnight etc).  I have two ladies from out of town, that I am especially fond of, and make every effort to see them when they are in town - as we have "Stuff" in common.  However, once one of them was coming into town and she said to me, "hey if you ever cannot make the session due to other committments, it is ok... I will return!"  Well that has happened - and it just made me wish to see her more.... and the next time she was in town... well - we had a great time....

But had I stood her up?  well, we all know how that feels - it sucks...

Thanks, for the post...  needed to be said.

Bizz-thanks for the support.  It also sucks, because I know you were one of the ones this summer, along with Christophrac and others who made a concerted effort to get more well reviewed travelling ladies to Philly.  See what our efforts get us!

I know that Heather of Tampa, someone whom I try to see when she comes into town, has had similar expereinces when she comes to Philly.  So far she keeps coming back, but how long will that really last if guys keep crapping out on her too.  The one time I had to cancel (because my dad had a HEART ATTACK) I made up to her ($$$) just so there wouldn't be that ill will.

Bizz & VSOP have hit the nail right on the head.  It all comes down to common courtesy and respect.  Treat others as you would like to be treated and yes, some sort of compensation is in order should you have to cancel short.  Gift cards are easy enough to transmit by email.  Communication is key!
Mikey T

so it's not surprising to hear this.  That sucks for guys like VSOP who do show up and have this happen to them.

I've been cancelled on due to a provider not feeling well and have had to cancel due to a nice fender bender on the blue route that last 3 hours...it sucks to be on either end.  

So how to we shed this bad rap? Can we?

that makes it easier for me to be verified with new ladies.  It also is fun to introduce providers to each other - and I have!  Let's face it - providing as an indy can be a bit isolated - and having others to share experience and best practices with! cannot but help the business!

But, and you knew there would be one, when a city gets a reputation of no shows, or rude dudes.... or whatever, that too gets around.  I must say our luck has run pretty good since the beginning of the summer, but it won't hold if we don't keep out end of the bargin.

So, Do not schedule if you cannot make it to the event.  Don't try to "barter" the lady - and finally answer her screening questions... it is for your protection as well as hers.

Well, I got that little rant out of the way...

and now to the other side of the house...

we are plagued by traveling ladies who are B&S, upsellers and false advertisers.... the question is "do you think that is the case BECAUSE we are known flakes... and these types of operations cannot flourish in cities where the gents act like gents?!"

it has all been said very well above. I just couldn't resist adding my 2 cents.
I also have heard the complaint from Ladys and Hobbiest. We all need to remember that "things" happen. From the Hobbiest side, most work for a living and depending on work issues, you just can't get away, you make an appt. 3 wks ahead and things change. Or as mentioned Blue Route or I95 traffic jams. For the Ladys perspective, she may get ill, bad food, etc.
As other responders have said, communication, don't set appt unless you intend to go through with it, are keys, then BOTH sides should be understanding.
I for one, am very happy Heather hasn't given up on Philly and I'm happy that Jada has consulted with her for her upcoming trip.
If guys out there have booked Jada and are not sure, I hope after reading this thread you will act appropriately.
An example, I booked with a Lady coming to Philly, who I have seen before, 4 wks ahead of time, well work has gotten in the way, luckily we were able to find an alternate time, communication!
I know all was said above and more eloquently, so please forgive me, couldn't resist to add my two cents. I have also experiemced NCNS from one of our own well known providers. Goes bpth ways.

I had no clue Philly had a bad rep.  I have never canceled an appointment.  However I rarely book more than 24 hours ahead of time.  
Advanced booking is tricky, things come up.  So if a provider can not do same day or next day I stay away.  I do not want to waste her time or mine.
But this only happens hear??? Dam u bastards that are fucking it up.  I would love for some of Miami Companions top tail to come for a visit and they rarely do.  This must be why.

Especially since I've already booked my flights and hotels for my upcoming first trip to Philly. Ironically enough, I was vigorously talked into it by a gentleman who said he wouldn't be able to see me afterall. That in itself isn't unusual but now I'm a little concerned. I do have many appointments booked but how many of them are actually going to follow through? I've toured enough to know that, if you are flying across the continent to tour, plus incall expenses, we're sinking roughly $1,500 - $2,000 of our hard earned money into availing gentlemen of our time. I guess there really is a lot of inherent trust in what we do.

Philly is generally a very reliable town, and most of the guys are gentlemen. I'm sure your tour will be a success Squirting Goddess.

I've tried to get MORE top talent to tour Philly, and guys badmouthing the town, and other hobbyists, will only perpetuate a bad rap for Philly. C'mon guys. He honest, keep your word, and show up!

I think we can pretty much vouch for the FUZZY part..the warm?  I'll leave that up to the lovely ladies to corroborate.  

Seriously, you're right about the keeping your word aspect and things have changed here on the board over the past 6 or 8 months but think about how many hobbyists are out there that have no concept of what ter is...those are the guys we have no control over pulling a NC/NS.

I am still really excited to visit for the first time. See you all soon! -e

I'm so fucking sick and tired of whining providers about Philly no shows. For every one, there are 2 that absolutley love Philly and keep coming back. I am sure they get no shows too, but when they leave, they throw a big thank you on the board. Stop and think about that. I'm willing to bet the thank you gets appts the next time they are in town.
This business is not all roses, I can't think of one that is. You take the good with the bad.
A few years ago, I was guilty of cancelling on the same provider not once, but TWO times because my dad was ill. But we made up for it.

As for VSOP, sorry you got stood up, but you ARE owed an explanation from her. Her ranting behavior was childish. Her NCNS was outright wrong.

Thats my .02 rant!!!

LegMan:

I agree with you that I'm owed an explanation.  I emailed her for one.  However, I'm also not naive.  I know the chances of my getting an explanation is pretty much nill.  She says she's not coming back to Philly...fine.  If she changes her mind, and shows up again, I might revisit the idea of whether or not to repost this thread.  I certainly didn't deserve the crap I got, particularly after she said no, checked me out a little bit more, then completely changed her tune.

I agree with you that the hobby isn't all roses, but it still seems like we've got a lot of crappy fellows here trying to ruin everybody else's good time.  Just look at the boards when a out of town provider posts a "would you like me to visit your city" question.  There's a couple of guys who chime in with a yes please, but there's always some asshole who jumps in and says I think you look like crap, why would I want you to visit.  You know what, then shut up, sit down and don't see her, why post and be an ass so that she doesn't come see those who posted saying yes please.  There are plenty of women that post the same question on here that wouldn't see, because of looks, performance, whatever, but I don't stand up and say hey you're not my type so you couldn't possibly be anybody else's.  Why...because I don't have a freakin' Napolean complex, my ego can handle the fact that what I find completely smokin' hot might make another guy wretch.  WHO CARES!

People just love the anonimity the Boards give them to be little jerks.  So yeah, I agree that NC/NS's are a part of the hobby...for both providers and hobbyists, but when they are a consistent standard in some cities, well, it screws everybody.

It doesn't excuse for one instant what happened to me, especially when dealing with someone who has such a prominent reputation, but it does remain a freakin' problem, and since I live here I get sick of it.  I guess I'm still just really PO'ed about the whole NCNS thing.  I've been hobbying long enough not to make dates with unreliable, unreviewed, nitwits, so its been a long time since that has happened to me, and when you're expecting a great time with a nice release, you get MAD!

Alright, I've posted about this three times...thank you Philly Board for your indulgence.  I'm officially shutting up now.

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I've seen a general uptick in rates over the last couple of months.  Girls are now charging 325+ now and its my opinion that guys get very excited about the hot new piece in town and without much thought about the price, make an appointment.  

After the initial excitement about making the appointment, guy thinks to himself, "Damn, I'm going to pay what!" and at that point decides not to show.

I know you guys luv heather of tampa, but damn, i remember when her rates were 250, now they are 400/hr.  Not saying no showing is right, but it comes down to a financial decision and at those rates it becomes easier to no show after the initial excitement has worn off.  

I don't begrudge the girls charging whatever the market can bear, but it's my assertion that the number of no shows are probably related to pricing.  The higher the rates the more no shows there will be.

Never did like generalities when discussing hobbyists, providers, or cities. Take each person on his/her own merits and go from there.

I am really tired of reading about the Philly "reputation."  You think this stuff doesn't happen elsewhere?

A few examples.

Here's one from Boston:  

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=83344&boardID=9&page=

Here's one from DC:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=95273&boardID=6&page=


Here's one from NY:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=105727&boardID=2&page=


You don't see guys or ladies lumping an entire city as "the girls think the guys are cheap, the attitudes are lousy, and all we do is bitch."  And how many girls told you this anyway ? One? Ten? 100 ?  

"but as regualrly (sic) and as often as it is apparently happening here...." - how do you know this? From a thread every week or two about a NC/NS whether it be hobbyist or provider? From what this particular provider told you - absent any other information about what may been going on with her trip?

Because this provider ranted and then did not keep an appointment you blame  a "small number of guys who are seriously making hobbying for the rest of us very difficult." What say the guys who post about a NC/NS provider? Do they then blame a small number of providers as the reason they hobby elsewhere?  Well, a guy has obviously put some fear in the minds of some providers who plan(ned) to visit here. Thanks. Glad Summer posted that all was not gloom and doom and Heather has posted in the past that she prefers Philly over DC.  


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I don't agree with the direct correlation. Not a fan of generalizations either. Regardless of the provider's rates and whether the hobbyist has the (disposable) funds in order to afford her, the bottom line is that making an appointment carries with it the expectation (assumption, even) that you will honor the appointment. Sure, things come up, but there is absolutely no excuse for a not showing or calling from either provider or hobbyist. -e

Yeah, lets keep it in perspective.  At the end of the day, the positive hobbying fun far outweighs the once in a blue moon negative.  Hobby on! & STFU

For two years Philly has been this way.
It's a hit or miss type of place...

I have always had good tidings with Philly and never have had a problem
I know many girls that do great in Philly..

Philly is just one of those cities. Either its your city, or it isnt..

Just think what it costs us for travel & expenses!!  You guys want quality providers,   Ellysee and I are headed your way.  We are classy, seductive and erotic, CA, Vegas, NY & Fl ladies.  I love Philly - family dating back to the Founding Fathers - good olde Willy Penn.  Have spent many a good time at Downeys, Bookbinders, South Street - can't wait to do Pat's!  Hope you guys welcome us back, show us a goodtime (because I know we'll show you a GREAT time!) Look forward to seeing you, you won't be disappointed!!

If it has this reputation, then it is perpetuated by those who continually state it as fact.  

Guess I just haven't been around long enough. Who or how many crowned Philly with this reputation? This reputation is apparently the fault of a very few guys who are nameless. Or is this an extension of the sports teams' futility?  When did this happen?  What was it that happened that caused Philly to cross the line and gain this "terrible" reputation? If this reputation in fact exists, how does one know when it doesn't anymore? Is there a magical number of kept vs. NCNS appointments that has to be hit? Who is keeping the records? Or does this reputation exist because people keep saying it does and it somehow "feels good" to say "poor us"?  

Not directing this at you Ryche99; it's largely rhetorical.  Snowballs were thrown at Santa Claus in 1968 and the Phillies may have saved the life of one or more groundskeepers at the Colorado Rockies game in July 2007 when they came to help with the tarp. Which do people choose to point out and take pride in? (hint - it ain't the Phillies.)  And why? Don't know and don't get it. Seems as though we'd be better off talking ourselves up instead of beating ourselves up.

Not looking for anyone to try to answer the above. I don't subscribe to the "terrible" reputation and I sure as hell don't have myself or anyone else in mind under that blanket.

While I agree that it is expensive to travel, I don't see where most provider's rates are different from there home market.  I'm sure if your rates were lower in your home market, then travel to other cities wouldn't be necessary.  

There I said it, I'm sure I will get flamed for it...  Given that guys are basically begging girls to come here.

Preface this with the fact that I very rarely cancel an appointment unless I'm losing a limb or involved in a head-on collision during my road trip to SLC (not my fault, and another story entirely). I was booked in this upscale "grand old hotel" as I call them, in LA this summer. I'm in the bathroom getting ready for my appointment taking place in an hour and a half. I flush a simple tissue down the toilet and commence applying make-up - kind of humming to myself. Next thing I know the toilet is literally erupting, and I don't mean it's kind of plugged up; its spewing water out at I would conservatively say around a gallon a minute. You kind of go into survival mode at that point - before calling the front desk I hid anything that could lead to the conclusion of what I was about, as well as picking up anything on the floor of the walk-in closet – because I tell you this ship was going down. Finally engineering arrived, and in a flurry of Spanish on two-way, cellular, and house phone they finally got the water shut off. At this point the water was seeping into the hallway. Amid the five or so inches of towels blanketing the floor, my desire to get the hell out of that room, along with the poor schlub who showed up from housekeeping with a simple washcloth (I think he missed the full memo), I’m calling my next appointment to tell him what had happened and that he would need to show up around a half hour later. I’m explaining this to him on the phone and I’m thinking to myself, if I were being told this story I wouldn’t even believe it. Thankfully, I was moved to the room next door and the industrial fan and pyramid-like pile of towels allowed him to verify that I wasn’t kidding when he walked past it to my new room. We’re talking about what happened later and he says to me, “Well, thank God it was only a tissue.” That sent me into a mentally undesirable spiral. Thank God, indeed. -e

I'm sorry this happened to you. That's not good business on her part.

For the losers who give Philly a bad name.... I can say I've had a few a-holes that book and NSNC or cancel at the last minute.  Don't worry we keep track of you and word spreads quickly.

Fortunately, I've encountered mostly great guys here. And look forward to seeing you all in 2 weeks!

XO Ellyse

But Philly has always been notorious.. dont be mad..Be glad that you aren't one of the ding dongs that does this to girls !!

I agree - stop beating the poor thing and drag it out of the sun!  Cancellations don't just happen in Philly and they don't just happen from guys.  I also got a NCNS from a provider last month.  Guess where?  If you guessed Philly you won the paper doll.

Hey I have an idea, like that girl did to VSOP, let's all call another provider and bitch and moan whenever WE are stood up.  What's good for the goose...

And I love it. I have however found that the cost of incall in center city is pretty much 200+ which suits me just fine for the simple fact that the one day I decided to try something with a lower price and that looked good on expedia......

I hated the place.

And all i really saved was like 30 bux!!!

for the kind words!  Several visiting ladies have told me how much they enjoy Philly.  So I don't believe it for a second that Philly is any different than any other city when it comes to NC/NS.

... noticed you have a friend coming along as well. Hope Joanna has positive experiences as well.

I look forward to seeing you real soon.

Trust me, it's doom and gloom. Philly is that bad.  All the good clients are smart enough to say they are from Jersey, not PA as not many great providers trust PA hobbiest.  They lie, no show, shill, shill, and sometimes even rip them off.

Hit or miss.  I have found my niche here.

s