I was hoping to do some hobbying over the next few weeks but what I've seen lately has me a little concerned.  LE seems to have busted a couple of local businesses,  one of which I just used.  So I'm wondering if it's maybe safer seeing one of the travelers or sticking with the locals??  Any suggestions??

No suggestions unfortunately....and I share the same concern.  I guess the best bet is going with a "known" independant; likely someone you've seen before.

You mentioned a couple of busts.  I know about Morgan's....where else?

Well, we always have to be careful (providers, too), but it seems the LE are more concerned with businesses.  Maybe either visitors or independents, at least for now.

theother was executive girls in southy jersey   my advise go with the indie contractors and avoid 2 things the le issue and a girl acting like a mare for a quick stallion the agents never stay after you errupt. its fuck for a buck sex

I think that the most logical thin to do is to go with an individual that was a lot of reviews. Also going to a hotel seems the most random, which means it's the most safe. A fixed location seems like such a bad idea.

I have noticed that nerves affect my erection, if this happens to you don't go unless you are comfortable. To relax yourself think about the odds of your particular providr being busted. The more that she chooses varied locations the more likely it is that she won't be caught. Chances are no one knows you or her let alone your location. Also, you could hit the train and go to NYC for something totally different.

I've always been concerned.  There are simple things you can do.  

Never go into an incall place if you notice a lot of police activity around.  You should really scout out the street before you go inside.  Even undercover cops are not hard to spot.  If you see a news van and cops, stay away.  

The only real danger is an incall establishment.  But you can check with the madam and see if she is letting new people in.  If not, you are pretty safe.

The safest are the traveling girls.  At least the LE would not know where to find them and what room until you are already out and done.

By the way, I visited an incall today and I was very impressed by the new precautions.  Party On.

Thanks for the replys.  You mentioned "new precautions" can you explain.  And was the incall an agency here in Philly or a traveler??  Thanks again.  But I'm not sure if seeing someone with reviews would reduce the chance of getting busted since both the agency's had girls with lots of reviews and were pretty established agency's with web sites.
The point about finding out if they accept new clients is a good idea.  Unfortunately two of the three agency's I've used in the area are now (at least for now) out of business.

A few patterns I've noticed over the years (but I would characterize these more as assumptions than facts):

1. Independents are rarely busted in Philly, but can be in the suburbs due, perhaps, to LE with more time on their hands to devote to individuals and an increased chance they will be noticed and someone will complain.  Examples, Coyote Girl (?) and another girl in Bucks County a few years ago. Even in the suburbs, though, independents are less likely to be busted than agencies.

2.  It seems unlikely an independent would be busted by an undercover LE while you are with her.  However, an undercover LE could be in the next room at an agency.

3. Asian agencies seem to be busted more than non-Asian agencies.

4. Outcall busts are rarer than incall busts.

If I am in error, please set me straight.

In my experience, there are few simple things to play safe:

* Pick a local girl with good reputable, stable in the business. If she's around for a while, means she knows how to keep herself and her clients safe.

* Make sure the girl you pick is "clean". Meaning, no drugs or the "troubled" kind. If there is a bust and drugs are found in the room, things gets complicated.

* Screening. This is an important factor these days, specially facing all these local busts. You guys need to understand one thing. Cops cannot be "screened". When a girl ask you for your name, profession and work number, is not to call and harass you after the encounter. Is just to make SURE you have a normal daily job and you're not LE. A reputable provider would NEVER use your information after she sees you. I would be very aware of a girl who does NOT ask any questions and book you right away. It means, she doesn't screen ANYONE, including a cop if he happens to call and try to book with her as a client. Now, here is how a bust occurs. Cop books an appointment, once inside the room he tries to make the girl talk about money so they can formally have her. Few minutes into this, others cops come take the girl and some stay behind in the room, to do a search and WAIT for her next clients to show up. That's how YOU get busted.

* Visiting girls. They are not SAFER than local ones. Never assume that. Usually cops loves to target the out of town girls, because she doesn't know how they operate and they're in town to make MONEY, reason they are travelling. Not saying all the girls are the same, but if they are having a bad day and a guy calls for a 3 or 4 hours appointment but do not want to be screened, she might take the chance because she needs to cover her travelling expenses.

* Houses or incalls locations. Come on, they are sitting ducks. Is just a matter of time until they get busted. No matter where they are located, always someone will be bothered by the volume of men going in and out of the premises. So, if you guys thinks is safe, is not. Tick Tock Tick Tock on this one.

Lots os speculation about why Dahn was busted. Afterwards, discussing the matter with few of my clients who used his services, I found out that Dahn never screened. When they called his agency, he just went ahead and made the appointments without asking any questions. Probably he booked a cop to one of his girls and she told them who she worked for. Then they went to look for him. Nothing mysterious, just a simple screening procedure.

If you guys are concerned, so am I. South Jersey is my "home" and I've been very careful if someone new approaches me. No screening no dates with me. I need to keep myself safe and protect my clients privacy. I don't care if I lose few appointments because new guys don't want to be screened.

Have a wonderful holiday!

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I knew her, she was a cool girl. She did the mistake I listed on my post. She was visiting Parsippany, a notorious place were frequent busts occurs, and she didn't SCREEN and booked a cop.
They let her go, she went to court and paid a fine. First offense, if the girl doesn't have criminal records, is usually 4  steps: arrest, bail, court, fine.
I warned her, few times after that, about doing incalls from her own private residence in south Jersey. She dismissed my warnings saying she felt safer that way. Local cops from her area, probably got a hold of what happened in Parsippany (how I don't know). They did a stake out on her house. She told me, at the time, that she felt being watched. Few days later, they had a court order and arrested her again (she didn't have anyone in the house but her elderly mother). They ripped all apart, even digging the backyard to try to find hidden cash. She called me, telling what happened.
She told me she was going back in doing paysites again. Never heard from her since. I hope she's ok and doing well.

What Candy says about how cops can bust a visiting girl, then what for the next guy to show up is something that I never considered.  But you usually have to call the girl again before you get the room number, and that would make the scenario of the cops waiting for you implausible.  Even if you did walk into a hotel room full of cops, you are unlikely to ask them for sex for money.  

If there was a police woman waiting, who had now taken the place of the girl you made the appointment with, now that could be tricky.

sometimes cops also keep the girl in the room and when her phone rings they tell her to answer and send the guy up. The guy knocks on the door and, even if you say is a wrong door, they make you come inside and ask for your identification and ask questions. Cops operate in numbers and they can be quite intimidating and offer a "deal" if you admit being there for paid sex. The best thing is to deny deny deny if that ever happens to you. For the girls, don't say anything and ask for a lawyer. Most girls do not know their rights, get scared and talk. Cops knows that.

It seems to me that everyone is more concerned about this than we thought. I mean look, there have been barely any reviews in the past week. I thnik its almost a better idea not to post any reviews b/c I'm sure the LE monitors this site. The less we give them, the less they will be able to do with it. Maybe its just time to lay low for a while and let this whole thing settle.

My first time at Dan's was my first time ever about 1 1/2 ago. When I called he ask were I have been before. Told him it was my first time and I had been to a a local Asian massage parlor only for a happy ending. I was so nervous on the phone  you could tell. He was convinced enough to set me up a girl named Carly she a sweety. I gave Dan my full name. Then when i went to the room. Dan's girl Carly checked my Driver liscense to confirm it was whom I said it was and she ask if I was the police. That was it,once screened then you are set

The problem with Dan's was he expanded from a nice little incall operation with 3 girls keeping below the radar. Then he got over his head sending girls to Philly, King of Prussia. You good never get an appointment the same day anymore. A year prior a you would call and he always someone available within the hour. He updated his web site with current pictures all these reviews were written. Guys are coming out from everywhere looking for a 175 GFE. It just got crazy.

Dan also advertise in local newspaper for new talent. I was with a couple of first timers that didn't last long. They said Dan did lay the law on what a executive girl GFE was about. Also he like to see the merchandise before he put out for his customers. So if Dan was interviewing a woman detective for one his escorts positions then he did himself in. Also Dan was pissing off the girls and clients toward the end. Just too much traffic in and out

What about the standard screening question: Do you work for or are you associated with the LE?  Does it really work?

The punishment for John is only a misdemeaner charge that costs about the same as an expensive traffic ticket. But you lose big no matter what.  Even if the LE can't prove the case, the publicity will hurt you. Your wife and familty will learn about it.  In Philly, they can even post your picture in the local paper and one school principal was forced to resign recently.

There is no info on what triggered and how Dahn got busted. Rarely, the raid is the result of random targeting but more likely from someone who tip the cops.  There is likely resentment built up in Dahn's ladies or competitors who can't tolerate his cut throat competition.  This is a down fall for Dahn.  Punishment for ring leader specially for man is a lot harsher than provider getting caught providing.

I was sad to see Dan get busted. I had just used is agency for the first time back in Sept. and Oct.  Both times the appointment was easy to set up and the girls were great.  Tara was going to be my ATF.  She got out of the business pretty quick though. Also, the main reason i used his agency wasn't the lower fair, but rather the location, KP is way easier to get to than center city. I travel the TP and KP is just a quick stop off the exit.  There looks like a couple of good travelers coming into town in the next week or so, so I think I'll try my luck with one of them.  If not I can always go back to my Joy's, always a good bet.

If you only visit Dahn's in Sept and Oct of this year consider yourself really lucky. His talent pool peaked at time with Tara, Samanatha, Mandy and Brenda. Tara was ONLY there maybe 3 weeks. Then Dan got busted. Dan had a bad 8 month period prior he had maybe 2 girls Mia and Tori that where the only attractive GFE. I saw at least 3 girls that for looks rate a 5 or lower. But not only that they other issues. But the first 4 months I went to Dan starting Aug-2003 all girls were very attractive and sweet I saw 5 girls in row not a complaint. You just trusted him when he says he has a new girl she going be like the others. Wrong ! I got burnt a few times. For the extremely low rate and convenience of the ML incall you don't stay angry forverer. Dan only sent the marquee girls to KOP to build business out there. Not the "fill in" girls in Mt. Laurel that are not on the web site. You get baited first then your hooked. Do a search on Big Doggie or TER boards you will see the good the bad and the ugly since 2002 on Dan's executive girls.

She came into my store about six months ago (I recognized her immediately from her old website).  She looked great. Haven't seen her since.

If a anyone asks an undercover if he or she is a cop, he/she can say no and not break any laws so asking if they are LE does no good.

The other girl busted was Debbie Croft, who operated out of
her home outside of New Hope.  She was busted about a week
after I paid her a visit (which caused me more than a little
consternation), while doing an outcall at a local motel.

She was here on a green card, and was deported back to England.
The amazing thing, was that Debbie Croft was her real name!
Too bad she got busted, she really knew her stuff .


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Tigerguy, please use your common sense.  When a cop is undercover trying to bust a mobster, terrorist, etc...do you think he has to admit being a cop?  

Mob Guy:  Hey Johnny Brasco, you a cop?  
Johnny Brasco: Yea, you got me.

If the cops really want to bust anyone, they can create a backstory that will hold up to any screening done by providers.  But, it isnt a priority so they dont.

The truth about the Dahn matter is the cops were not there for a bust.  They were there due to the leader of the pact having his way with one of his girls.  The previous post is very accurate.  It was later revealed that it was more than that.  Also as far competition no one would want to see that happen to anyone.  Bad Karma!!!!!  Incall you are not sitting ducks if you stay under the radar.  Not alot of traffic and do not be greedy.  All the ladies need to work together more and look after one another instead of against each other.  The hobbiest needs to give the info that is needed and also start by seeing someone that has been around for a while with a good reputation.  There are many wonderful ladies out there that are local.  Morgan was way over the top and thought she was above getting in trouble.  She was not careful and way overbooked.  She did not care about the client or the ladies that worked for her.

what is all this concern about?  i have been a member or room service and this site for quite some time.  this is the first time i came to the message board.  if you are on this site, obviously you have past the street corner mentality.  i want to talk about what the site is all about.  if you can afford a provider; you can afford the fine if you are stupid enough to get in trouble!  use common sense "ie it is the oldest profession for a reason" and stop crying about the consequences!!!!  after all isn't this the whole reason we love this site.