I thought that was quite an interesting line from Fuzzy a few days back.  As a sometime hobbyist, occasional board lurker and very infrequent poster I thought "wow, what a crass and nescient thing to say".  So help me understand something here genius - lets say I enjoy the infrequent company of a hot-looking TS that strolls through here, and lets say I enjoy the pleasures of many of the same GG's you do (trust me chief, we've been in many of the same places), does that mean I am still, as you say, "a closet flaming gay, blah, blah, blah"?  Or - does  it mean I just enjoy the heck out of hobbying and your ilk has identity issues or something deeper and darker?  Put down the hate stick pal, and use your other one.  Maybe you get off on reading TS reviews cuz you got an itch that you just haven't scratched yet?

If you like sucking a cock, and fucking a dude up the ass with fake tits, and a wig, knock yourself out!  LMFAO  Just don't call yourself straight. You are a  blatantly Gay man.

BTW, YOUR review of TS Yum Yum below is priceless, and hysterical. Did the Dude's wig bother you? I guess she/he was NOT that Yummy!  

Sixnotdone's Review of TS Yum Yum:

I was jonesing for a TS experience as its been a while and I wasn't thrilled with the available eros talent listed for philly. Against all my judgement I cased CL and found yum yum who met much of my criteria physique-wise. I called and she quickly answered and agreed to meet me later in the day. Upon arrival in her 'hood we talked again and I got the address. Aside from the fact that in broad daylight the place was a dump, there were many a street urchin milling about which made me very uneasy. I went up to her apartment with a clear visual picture of who I was seeing. Knock on the door and a voice deeper than I am used to on a T-Girl announced come in as the large hand appeared to open the door. I took 2 full steps in but keep my back hand on the door just in case - glad I did. Yum Yum was not the petite beauty I was expecting but rather a 6 foot dude in a wig with face stubble. She tried to play a little sexy but my flee instinct was ramping up real fast. After an uncomfortable hi her voice got even deeper as she mumbled something about what I wanted. Behind and to her right was a bathroom with the lights off but I defintely heard some movement and immediately thought I was about to get jacked up. In my shirt pocket I had $ - I simply said that I didnt want any problems so I took the $ and threw it in the floor and ran like a mother effer, scared shitless. As I rounded the corner and began flying down stairs all I heard was get him from person 2 - this only caused me to run faster. I made it to my car - as I took off I could see Yum Yum in the doorway of the building smiling but with her wig askew.






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You went to the "hood", paid $100, got a wigged six foot black guy/girl that could  kick your ass, and you ran like a little girl. Then  you called the experience a ripoff? If the man (TS) was smaller (5'5"),and had a better quality wig, would you have rated him/her an 8 ????  ROTFLMFAO!!!!    





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". I engulfed her easily and was so into the experience she could have cum in my mouth then and there, I'd have swallowed every drop and been content with no ass action.
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Suck a dick, get fucked in the ass and enjoying it..... your Gay.

This int gay bashing just a simple reality check.

I'm not going to argue about what I do for living, but I'm a therapist.

I've had several bi clients over the years who expressed an interest in very feminine looking men as sex partners. Each one of them had something hurtful happened to them related to women, so they were choosing "near-women" to have sex with.

It was basically the case that they were most comfortable with men, desired women, but still needed the distance of a TS or something close.

These same guys saw themselves as men, and the feminine guys as not really men, which is of course some kind of mental trick. Anyway, they would never dream of letting a masculine homosexual have sex with them.

If you know any gay people you know that their relationships usually break down into roles where one acts like the opposite sex. So, I think this mind-set is pretty common.

Suggestion:

Stop fooling yourself with the TS people. They're men and that's it. If I get my skin colored brown, I'm not a black dude, and no one would allow me to claim I am. They're men, and if you like your women to have penises, then you have a problem accepting women.

The best bet is to get to know as many women as possible "platonically" and that will help you accept them as being equal to men. That will cure you.

Over and out.

Out of curiosity I’ve read some of the TS reviews and see a general pattern to all of them, all the hobbyist’s refer to the tyranny’s as “she” or “her”.  Am I missing something here? Seriously? Isn’t it still a guy with tits or implants, wearing a wig and make-up??  It’s a guy right??  May look like a chick, but it’s a dude!

I have no problems what so ever when it comes to ones sexual preference, I have friends and relatives that are gay and have met plenty of people that are bi, but have never met anyone that is attracted to a tranny!  So I don’t understand the attraction there…maybe someone on the board could enlighten me!

ok, cute streetwalker or casino girl, whatever the venue, its NOT a situation where you got to see a 'TS' written anywhere...not like the slinky dress has a "HELLO MY NAME IS...I have a dick" sticker on it. but lets say it has a slammin rack and ...inexplicably...an onion booty and you think of the voice,,,ok, a little Branda Vaccaro/Marlena Deitrich but hey itll all be muffled soon enough... so you take the plunge...do the donation and the oral is....just wow, she knows her way around a cock...and when youre done and sit on the edge of the bed with wobbly knees it stands and displays, saying "my turn.." of course you say something to the effect of 'holy sh*t...uhmmm, not to be rude but NO THANKS"...were you just gay (treats from a guy) or just decieved by silicone, makeup and beer goggles.....???

Speed,

Read what I've said, it's a mental trick people are playing on themselves. I don't see how pretending and living a lie brings happiness.

If people said I like fucking dudes dressed as women, then I'd be more ok with it all. But, when people start pretending that they're something they can never be, it starts sounding like misery to me.

If Bob wanted all of his women to put makeup on and fake noses and hair to look like black women (or the reserse), I think most us would think it weird and sad, maybe even wrong. However, when men/women get surgery to cut vital parts off or get crappy looking fake breasts we're supposed to all just jump on the bandwagon and accept that they're now another sex.

It's crazy.

It's also worth noting that studies about TS people (men), always ALWAYS show that the person had a very mean mother. What then occurred was called Identifying With the Enemy, and that's where you become just like the person you hate the most because you see them as having power. So, it's not hard to conclude that most TSs actually hate the sex they're portraying.

Frankly, the whole thing depresses the shit out of me because we all only have one life to live and to see it ruined like that is a bit much for me.

An interesting experiment indeed - a community of semi- or somewhat- connected folk who peruse hobbies & habits that are for the most generally frowned upon by the general public (most of whom we'd all bet have either considered and/or had the twinkle in the eye to try what most I'd guess on TER have actually had the guts to follow through with).  This is often the same community of folk who will lash out at the people who may have the nerve or idiocy to criticize hobbying - why they do it, what is wrong with them, so and, and so forth.  This loosely held community is actually made up, I now see, of many sub-cultures and communities that, when push comes to shove, will also apparently, willingly and voracioulsy discriminate, attack, and debase against other sub-cultures that do not walk, talk, act, write or *uck exactly like them.  What irony!  

So here is how it goes no?

To the "general public": "F" you - what we do shouldn't be illegal, we're not hurting anyone, it feels good, its the oldest profession (insert typical response to non-hobbyists here)".....................

To "the other hobbysists" who dare stick their stick in anything but a GG: "well "F" you too - you're the scum of the earth, you're sub-human, you're a closet this-that-or-other, we hate you, we wish you'd die, you like she-men/trannies.....blah...blah...blah (insert statement #2 contradictory to #1 here)


I put the carrot out there (pardon the metaphor) and boy did you all bite it with a wide open gullet.  You criticiZe those who criticize you as hobbyists, but for you the fortitude stops short wherein you look inside the same sub-culture you belong to and see something kinda like you, but not quite - you attack it, throw hate on it, call it names, bash it, etc.

It is really unfortunate - I found this community a couple of years ago and thought, "wow, a group of folks who have similar interests in a little sexual freedom - basically sharing the knowledge, sharing the info, and generally being supportive of one another" as we pursue what we love.  Now I realize how wrong that was - it took time but now I see the misanthropy that pervades when the majority finds something that tastes like chicken, but dammit, it ain't chicken.

To Fuzzy - hope you post this - will understand if you do not.  I'm sure my ass gets banned, deleted, whatever - cuz when you're not in the majority, you're a minority - and in here that usually sucks (damn metaphors).

To Dweller - any time I hear "cure" someone of something in relation to what is traditionally posted on these boards I want to puke.  Do you have a cure to cure all else herein for whom a lack of social redeeming behavior is somehow injurious to others?  Puh-leeze.  I'm not a therapist but I am a multiple PhD. and tell ya what - your argument is flawed and nonsensical and is quite offensive.  The problem with self-proclaimed therapists such as yourself is that you haven't quite figured out what box to put people like me into yet.  Until you have an empirically proven response to that please keep your smarmy pop-pyschoanalytical b.s. to yourself.

To others in general - I've dated many TS over the years and had several serious relationships therein.  We generally don't get anymore hung up on the presence of a male organ on an otherwise extraordinary feminine body any more than you get hung up on whether there is too much fat on your girlfriends arse - overanalyze and paralyze.

That is the end of my missive, please enjoy what you do, but please also re-open the mind.  Just as much as you hate others who hate you because you hobby - don't flip that and hate other hobbyists who don't do it all exactly like you.

It's still a man baby.

Nice explanation Dr Phil (and I mean that as a compliment).

S
 

Wow, I don't even think I could classify that as "porn", lol.  But in any event, to each his own IMHO.  

And an interesting one at that.

S

I always wondered what made guys that indulged in that activity tic....you've enlightened me, thanks!

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I participate in this board precisely because it is an open discussion and, boy, do people tell you what they think!  Twice (maybe three times) in the past couple of years I have posted inquiries related to TS ads on eros.  The most recent one (which I think spawned the discussion that spawned your first post in this thread) referred to - what I thought was - a very hot TS girl on eros.  The replies I got were cautionary and, in some case, humorous.  

Anyway, I'm afraid that your opening salvo in this thread was bait pure and simple. (You admit as much in your lengthy post.). You got what you should have expected from a board full of men who love having sex with beautiful women.  (You heard from a few of those women, too.)

This isn't a therapy board; why expect it to be?  You're free to be and do what you want.  Go ahead.  But if you want to talk about it on this board, expect a lively exchange!  Learn to laugh at it (and yourself).  Deep down, we're all in a common cause here.

(My favorite line from the Sponge Bob movie:  "They're not laughing at you, Patrick.  They're laughing next to you.")

I disagree; if you go back to your original post you said something about being referred to as a closet homosexual.

I don't think you are being criticized for your likes or dislikes, to each his/her own.  I think the board is generally pretty open-minded.

But...you're still gay and have further supported Fuzzy's original statement(s)

I'm glad that some of you found my explanation interesting.

What I've said is THE explanation. It is never valid  to think you're the opposite sex. That's because there's no such thing as "a Man" or a "Woman."

The fact is that the sexes exist on a continuum and that is determined by the culture. So, an "ultra man/woman" in one culture may be much different in another. If I asked you "what's a woman," whatever you told me beyond a biological explanation would be a stereotype. You couldn't possibly give me an explanation covering all the different characteristics a woman could have all at once.

If you could, and you did the same for men, it would be clear that many men and women are practically the same. Thus, there is no "I'm mentally a man or woman" because there is no hard definition.

Next, a person cannot validly say they think like a member of the opposite sex, because they have NO EXPERIENCE as being the opposite sex. So, they must be operating off of stereotypes they hold about the opposite sex.

Example: Fred is white and likes rap, he then adopts a "black" personality. He feels he understands "the black man" and wishes he were born black, etc. He is acting like black rappers are being honest about who they are, and that they're always acting like that. More importantly, he denies the existence of all the black guys in the world who act in other ways. He does not want to feel like a black Librarian, and it's likely that he would think of such a person as black enough for him.

Fred is not black so he cannot know the thousands and thousands of experiences it takes to be a black person. He can only understand it second hand.

So, TS types believe that there's a definite feeling of being the opposite sex, when there's not, and they believe they're feeling it, when it's impossible for them to have the experiences necessary to feel it for real.

I say all these things because I hate suffering, and I think the mutilating surgeries and treatments are very unethical on the part of the medical establishment. I also believe that you can think your way out of problems like this.

Plus, I think that TS are actually insulting the opposite sex, much as Fred would be insulting black people if he started painting his face.