OK...I see that Fuzzy has started the dialogue. I have to back him up on the behavior of some providers (Tiff in particular) who feel that NCNS is ok...I've had 3 such experiences with Tiff and like Fuzzy thought that due to age, issues and overall 'things come up' I would let it slide (I'm fairly easy going)...but since there was never a follow-up explanation or apology by phone/email I recognize that this is the pattern with some people and I would just move on. Since there is evidence that the pattern has not been broken and I didn't recognize anything that sounded like an apology from Tiff to those of us on the receiving end I felt that basic courtesy was being ignored...of course, this goes without saying, that hobbyist should also be held to this standard...I'll put on my flame suit now...

That's NINE between the 2 of us !  Unlike you, I got 2 apologies that followed with 4 MORE NCNS experiences!!!  That's why we have TER -- to keep perennial scammers, druggies, B&S operators, liars, and ripoffs from perpetuating their crap on others! This board won't let that shit happen!

Happy Hobbying!





-- Modified on 12/6/2008 5:13:12 PM

Unfortunately there is little incentive for her to change. Let's look at some facts:

- she is hot
- guys think with little head
- she is hot

Understand the fustration but not sure if anything will change

rol

You're probably right...though time can be cruel...that type of beauty fades (for most of us)...the other type is more lasting. My little head occasionally checks in with the other and after being dissed repeatedly agrees to some standard, even when the offending source is hot...

I have never met Tiffany. I completely understand your pain. But DAMN  she was just torched 4 days ago. Shouldn't there be a 7 day flame rule or something?

Fuzz man....got nuttin but love for ya, but you got your Tiff nut off of your chest and she was roasted pretty good. You put your hobbyist hat on and let her have it. Now it is time to put the Moderator hat back on.


The record  on Tiffany is clear. We all know what she has done in the past. In all fairness she has been gone for a while and does deserve a chance to TRY to make a living as a good provider.

All I am saying is give her a chance.... Who knows.... Maybe she learned a little something while on her little hiatus. Perhaps she has changed her wicked ways of the past.....

I for one am glad she is back and that I was able to get to see her. She is a ver nice young woman with a beautiful body and great at what she does. Let's try to be more grateful and more understanding. I am here to have fun and I intend to be polite and to be a gentleman. Time to move on and let her be (don't know where I would be in life if it wasn't for second chances and forgiveness from others as unperfect amd me).

Let it go, guys.

"This board won't let that shit happen!"

After the 5th or 6th time...the other 4 or 5 it seems to be ok to delete flame posts, give them good references and lie about it though...*shrug

You forgot to mention the "fuck you" exit speech that she had posted. Another post should be started, just for that.
Look at her response to the original thread below. She is as defiant as ever. She is getting exactly what she deserves.
Now, if she were smart, she would have started her own post, apologizing to the community for popping us ALL the finger, and explaining that she will change her ways. She is not contrite or remorseful in the least.
She made her bed, now let her sleep in it, or remake it on her own.    

With all due respect...this is not only directed at Tiff but at a practice that is both hurtful to providers and hobbyists. I suspect some providers do it because they are upset about cancellations and no shows and have no other recourse other than returning the favor. I think they have every right to do what other businesses do, which is to require confirmation 24  hours ahead of time as well as 30 minutes before (or some other timeframe). As far as Tiff is concerned it has been established that:

1) There has been a repeat of the NCNS practice since her return
2) Her long-winded response to Fuzzy's earlier post sounded like a list of excuses rather than some small sign of recognition of the consequence to the hobbyist, who has to travel, in some instances long distances, and deserves some level of consideration (if nothing more than a call to explain or the very least a follow-up email to apologize due to some circumstance). In my case there where 3 NCNS in a row (I know...)  where she didn't answer her cell nor follow-up with anything...apparently feeling this was no problem...

Once again, this type of behavior should be discouraged by both providers and hobbyist. In my case, if it looks like I might be a few minutes late I call to inform my service provider...which is usually well appreciated.

I'm sure providers blacklist (waste of time hobbyists), maybe we should consider the same for providers. Fuzzy made it clear that she could make it up with an offer to make it up in some way. I think that would go a long way. Till then...

Missed several meetings without a call or explanation... I would be searching for a new one after the first time...

I am not sure I would be asking them to apologize later on...

and unless tiff or any other NCNS provider was hoping to work with you again, what would she have to gain from doing it now?

Remember this is business (albeit of an intimate nature)

Just a thought...

I tried to post a reply yesterday but I guess it was blocked for being in defense of Tiffany. A young, pretty woman who has had a rough start to life. Grown men (many with wives) giving her a hard time for not showing up to have sex with them for money. We should be thankful that she is back and that she is doing what she does. I for one consider myself lucky to have gotten to see her upon her return. She is a nice woman, with a good heart and I hope she is happy being back and I hope her life turns out the way she dreamed it would...

Use your DOLLARS to speak!!!! They speak the LOUDEST

It's not a flame if it's TRUE ! ------>

No Show the Moderator SIX times (4 NCNS), and tell the WHOLE BOARD they've "No self esteem" and.........

Shit Happens!  

Let "other boards" lie about this provider!
It won't happen here.  (Remember this below????)


NO - I am DONE being an OBJECT!
Posted by tifflockheart , 6/21/2008 12:08:14 PM   [See my TER reviews]

I am not doing this to myself or anyone person I love!I never got BUSTED! I dont have fake lips!!! And I passed..l yes BOYS passed on any Penthouse or PORN! I am working my way through college the healthy way- and if any MEN on here have ANY ounce of self esteem- dont use yourself as an object of money. But obviously none in this subject. My fucked up ex put me thru this once- to get fake tits cuz his dad could never love a women without them! And I am DONE! with bullshit! I dont need plastic for a man!! credit or implants! Thank you! Good bye and good riddance!!!


Good Riddance indeed!  




-- Modified on 12/7/2008 8:23:19 AM

Re: It's not a flame if it's TRUE ! ------>

I have been stood up numerous times by other providers who are on this board all the time. I guess it is different when it happens to you (who would keep trying 6-7 times any way)? Give it up, move on, life's too short.

I let this 'go' a long time ago. It was precisely the lack of information about Tiff's NCNS practices that made me feel this was just a 'one time thing' and give her another try. I came forward to share my experiences and let 'the buyer beware'. At the end I never met Tiff and because of the experience of trying to do so have no interest in pursuing this line. This board should be polite but truthful and everyone can make up their own mind. If your expectation is that numerous NCNS's is fine that is your option.

This is 'not just another business' -- it is much more intimate in nature and sex is only part of the experience we are looking for. If you are looking only for sex there are fairly cheap ways to get it without establishing a temporary 'fantasy relationship'...

but fuzzy had no problem protecting her from bad posts when it seemed that he was actually going to spend time with her  lol lol   i guess the protecting is over now

If I really had the hots for somebody and was thinking with the little head, I could see myself being repeatedly hopeful that this was the time that I would not be stood up.  Several times, even.  If I though I was going to actually get to see Halle Berry, I might actually go 6 or 7 times.  Says more about me, though.

"We all know what she has done in the past. In all fairness she has been gone for a while and does deserve a chance to TRY to make a living as a good provider."

Kind of hard to keep giving her chances when she pulls a NCNS not only a client but also on her doubles partner on her 2nd day back in the business. This isn't the only NCNS since her comeback either. Also very evident that the words "I'm sorry" aren't in her vocabulary.

I have changed- I don't act on "I'm hot, men think with little heads...blah blah blah". I have rarely have NCNS in quite some time and believe me, I have my share of NCNS, schedule changes at the last min, ones who were way late and I have always done my best to move things around on the fly so they still get the full time requested. It's drama, gossip, and bitching. I do my best- yes, there are times when it's hectic and I have trouble keeping up with emails and calls. I love love love what I do- when I am accepting dates from the right partners obviously. All this bs- crap from way back when- and many of you don't even know half of why Fuzzy is posting over a year long mistakes cause it isn't just for the NCNS- but it all makes me dread reading emails and coming on these forums. Seriously, it really hurts because there are a lot of regulars that I love to spend time and keep in touch with in between dates. But I hate talking to my dates when they ask about drama like this, whether it regards me or another provider! It's awkward, it definitely doesn't make my horny, and I am just plain tired of it. GET OVER IT! I am sorry! I didn't stand anyone up on purpose- yes it is 100% wrong- I have matured, grown, learned, and made changes for that and so many other things. Including who I care to see! I want to enjoy myself as a companion- sure the money is worthwhile- but I love what I do and sheesh, women need to enjoy themselves. Fuzzy- you and I do not have good opinions of each other... so let's view it as a blessing in disguise we haven't met- okay?
I hate to be mean and rude- I really do. But I am human, I have made mistakes. The majority of dates are fabulous. I wish had more time, more energy, and a pussy that never got tired to see all those who I would also enjoy the pleasure to meet. And hopefully, time will change much of that. Don't be so sensitive, take it personally if at times I seem busy, because there are times when I start to become bored too... yes, there are! I get that men are analytical, they like to give reasons why such is such and this is this- but really, truly, you do not know me that well! I don't hold myself in higher regards than anyone on this earth- especially dates who seek my company. I don't think I'm hotter, or better, or too cool for school- in fact Fuzzy should give all that a thought for himself. I also don't get manipulated easily anymore so that could explain my choice in this matter. Alright, I'm done ranting. I can't take it anymore!!! I want to be happy as a companion, peace and love and more sex to all!

I Never pulled a No show on Jade!!!! You guys seriously need to get all your facts straight before being impulsive. You want to know how many times I've had to make excuses, make people wait, start doubles appts alone, because of my "doubles" partner. Seriously- it was mentioned in at least two of my reviews... expecting to have a double but was happy to settle on Tiffany after something came up. Then there is all the gossip people, providers and hobbyists (notice I did not use the word gentleman) talk about openly behind everyone's back... majority of it false. A lot of it oddly enough is a problem all of their own- but some of us don't spread dirt. How can people be so gullible to believe "blah blah blah"... especially when you paid to be getting "fuck me, do me baby". I don't get it?? Do you have nothing better to do but spread and want to believe bad things about others for some false pride?
There is a reason I stopped doing doubles with certain people. I prefer class acts over chatty cathys who talk but don't walk. I am tired of having respectable gentleman have their spend their valuable and worthy time defending me all the time or the many more to my private email to ignore it. You want the dirt- you want to hear more than "i'm sorry" which I don't need to use anymore btw- I know endless information you'd never guess, but then I'd never tell.
I graduated high school- let's stop all the posing. I am going to try and believe that men cannot be this insane and petty, talk to some people who are sexy and smart and that I respect, and have a good day! I do like to keep to myself regarding all this bs, but I've had enough of the cruel, false, and constant lies. Grow up, end it, Britney Spears came back smoking hot... I'd prefer loving my sexy bod and being with those who treat it well.

My type of beauty fades? What kind? The kind where I treat everyone with dignity and respect, put a smile and show love to everyone all the time even when I don't feel it. Are you jealous or something? All of you? Constantly picking me apart? I am not just in this for the money-and I am one of the few who will ever say that in my own voice and look you in the eyes. I know you can't buy that high pitched incessant giggle and lines on broken record repeat. I love what I do- I love when I meet someone fun and genuine to have a smoking, sexy, but memorable time. I love texting my buddies pics of me out on the town when I see something that reminded of them and always getting amusing ( and rather dirty sometimes) texts and emails to pep me up. I don't need this. I truly don't. You'd be surprised to know the truth of those who give you "the dirt" on tiffany. Telling gossip, mostly lies, to EVERYONE they see... no care to mention your TER names. Oh no, they tell it all. Whose married, where they live, what they do, all the fun things you want out there for everyone to know! Yippee! It's fun y'all- I'm just getting used to it!
You honestly think those telling you dirt, aren't saying all their lovely opinions about you all the time behind your back? An apple picker picks apples. I am just on the verge of tears with this- pick pick pick. "She thinks she's too hot, men are pigs (no just the drama queens, some have 100 plus IQ), she just makes her money and comes back when she's broke (I save, invest, splurge when I need it... she lives w/ her mom, no car, but look at all those nice prada purses???... I'm hardly broke. I'm smart w/ my money. Not too brag, but I do this to see my buds)". Spend your time adding up how many clients a girl would see a day (Don't know about you but my flower needs TLC, not a china buffet), days a week, what she would make- compare it to what you make. Y'all are plain sick.
Where did all the cowboys go? LOL- please let the heavens open wide and reveal only the truly sexy, fun-loving, intelligent men. I need to go take a hot shower. I feel dirty after reading all this filth. Pew!

You know Tiffany you are so full of crap. JADE TOLD ME HERSELF THAT YOU NO SHOWED HER THE DAY YOU DID IT! And the fact that it took you a WEEK to get back to her. Also, don't think I forgot how you almost got me fired from my job almost a year ago when I tried to see you. Calling my office 10 times from a blocked number. Thank God I didn't waste my money on you anyway. You don't need to say I'm sorry? You NEVER used the words "I'm sorry" in your life anyway. I'm also so sick and tired of hearing your excuses of you only being 21 2 years ago and how changed you are. I'm the same age as you Tiffany and I can tell you that people don't change that much between 21 and 23. It's obvious that you haven't. You're the fake one Tiffany. And if you want to continue this war go right ahead because I have a lot more crap on you that I would be more than willing to share with everyone.

I never call from blocked numbers- and I never call incessantly like that. Delusional?
And Jade- I never NCNS her. She loves drama, loves to talk shit about everyone (half my clients tell me)... oh and I know her life and her very personally so I won't give into details. It is wrong to say cruel things about one who confides in you. But her stories to you all, are folk tales as exaggerated as Peter Pan. She was one of the "mentioned" who even goes as far to many the man's name in the stories too. I have always kept things to myself and hate pointing fingers, but it seems to be free reign on weaving tales about Tiffany and bringing drama to the surface from Winter 06- 07.

You obviously you want to continue this war so...

Delusional? Maybe you were when you were high as a kite that day. Or maybe you still are? I'm definitely not.

I've seen Jade several times and she has NEVER NCNS me and I'm not aware of any posts on any board when she NCNS someone else. You on the otherhand are the flakeout queen and every provider that I know knows about you and your ways.

And how are things "tales" when they are true? If you want the truth about your "retirement" to be told go right ahead and call me a liar again.

-- Modified on 12/14/2008 8:29:47 AM

Tiff... please don't sweat the haters... They are not responding to you... they will not give up... what you say, in thier world is noise.

So enjoy what you enjoy and give it the Hero's try as this may be your only shot at life... so be most excellent!