: Ohio Discussion : please hobbyists, take a moment to consider….

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 1322 reads

posted 12 years ago

1 / 27

please hobbyists, take a moment to consider….

Hello all my Darlings,

Those of you who know me, know that I am coming back to this wonderful life after a long sabbatical due to an illness (kisses and love to all of you who supported and stood by me during that battle!!!). I love my life, love what I do and, mostly, love my wonderful clients. Let me, however, take one moment to speak about a difference that I have observed since returning several months ago. I have, sadly, noticed a real difference in the willingness of clients to be forthcoming, to allow me the information needed to verify you and feel safe, and, primarily, to take into account the danger that providers undertake in doing this job. Only recently, have I had several hobbyists who have given me a very hard time and even some very nasty push-back about giving me any references or personal information. I am the one that is most in danger by allowing into my home, my life and exposing my 5' tall 110 lb self to you! I realize that hobbyists are also exposing themselves! This is, and always will be, an exercise in shared vulnerability and I have, unfortunately, met and heard some stories about crazy, nasty providers. Still, if you cannot trust me enough to allow me to know who you are and what you are expecting, then do not expect me to trust you coming into my home and personal life!!! I am willing to talk, text etc until you feel comfortable but if you are not willing to give me what I need to feel safe, then please do not waste my time. You are not the only one that is vulnerable!!!!
Thank you'll for listening to my rant

Kisses, Sam

letsplaynow56 4 Reviews 614 reads

posted 12 years ago

2 / 27

Great post

Very heartfelt and real post. I understand your need for safety Tobi and guys want and need safety to. The only thing I don't like to share is my civilian name does that make a difference to a lady?

MissErinBlack See my TER Reviews 613 reads

posted 12 years ago

3 / 27

That makes a huge difference to most of us.

Most providers require things like full names for search purposes. Aliases don't show up on sex offender registries, hence why most ask for them.

Again, different ladies require different information.

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 651 reads

posted 12 years ago

4 / 27

Re: Great post

I'm Tobi, the OP is Samantha. But if you want my opinion, yeah, real full names are required if you want to see me. There are ladies who don't require that info, but for me, I don't budge on my screening protocol.

Posted By: letsplaynow56

Very heartfelt and real post. I understand your need for safety Tobi and guys want and need safety to. The only thing I don't like to share is my civilian name does that make a difference to a lady?

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 633 reads

posted 12 years ago

5 / 27

Re: Great post

If I do not have a real name, phone number and other information, there is really no way for me to confirm that you are the person you say you are and not a member of LE or a convicted felon, sex offender etc. I have to be able to confirm a gentleman's identity for basic safety purposes. Like I said, I am aware that guys want/need to protect themselves but if they are unwilling to enter into a shared trust, then they need to be understanding when a girl says she cannot see them and not be rude or harassing (not that you would be Dear).

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 495 reads

posted 12 years ago

6 / 27

Re: Great post

Hey Guys,

Just one more thing. Some of you may not be aware but laws in Ohio have recently been changed that now allow LE to do things that they have not been allowed to do in the past….even assuming another identity (like maybe yours) to get a provider to meet them. These laws were designed to address sex trafficking but they are being used by LE to go after providers such as those on here. It is very scary for us when we meet new guys.

OhioBoy58 40 Reviews 480 reads

posted 12 years ago

7 / 27

Re: We recently met.....and guys

If you want a lady that is beautiful, mature, that is sexy and smart, do yourself a favor and give her the personal info to make her feel safe! You will be rewarded. She isn't the IRS!
I have datecheck and here as well as another board to verify and its painless.

Gemma Coreana See my TER Reviews 522 reads

posted 12 years ago

8 / 27

Excellent post!!! Rightly said!! Welcome back!!! Rom

END OF MESSAGE

letsplaynow56 4 Reviews 438 reads

posted 12 years ago

9 / 27

Re: Great post

My apologies Tobi

charmain123 See my TER Reviews 554 reads

posted 12 years ago

10 / 27

Awesome....

This is such a awesome post/rant!

Warmly Charmaine xo

TalkToTrees 498 reads

posted 12 years ago

11 / 27

Will you do the same?

by giving me your real name so that I can check to see if you are not a sex offender?

It's a 2 way street.

I have to protect myself as well. I don't budge on my protocols, either.

The Forest Waits

Posted By: Tobi Telford

I'm Tobi, the OP is Samantha. But if you want my opinion, yeah, real full names are required if you want to see me. There are ladies who don't require that info, but for me, I don't budge on my screening protocol.

Posted By: letsplaynow56

Very heartfelt and real post. I understand your need for safety Tobi and guys want and need safety to. The only thing I don't like to share is my civilian name does that make a difference to a lady?

TalkToTrees 402 reads

posted 12 years ago

12 / 27

Will you do the same?

by giving me your real name so that I can check to see if you are not a sex offender?

It's a 2 way street.

I have to protect myself as well.

With so many fake people on the internet these days, one can never be too careful, regardless of who you are and what you are doing.

You're going to respond by saying stuff about your reviews? It seems that a good number of people don't take reviews at face value. What does that tell you? Are the reviews overvalued? Inaccurate? Unreliable?

I can turn around and say that I have a few ladies who have whitelisted me. (which is true) Are you going to believe me? How much value do you place on those ladies who whitelisted me?

I can go on and on, but you get the idea.

The Forest Waits

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 516 reads

posted 12 years ago

13 / 27

Re: Will you do the same?

No, I won't give you my real name and I should not be asked to. I find it disturbing that you do not think that the risk for providers is higher……

You know where I live and what I do…..I do not have that information from you.

At bare minimum, the physical size and strength difference should speak to you!

I cannot talk about others, but all my reviews are accurate and up to date. They were hard earned and it is very difficult to get reviews posted when you are new or (like myself) returning from a long break.
Many sites will not even allow you to advertise.
If you don't have reviews, many sites will not post a review for you (really!). Without reviews, the guys who are "whitelisted" and "safe" (have other forms of reference/verifiability etc. ) will not book appointments. We are forced to rely on sites like this and prayer.

Like most girls, I do pay attention to the whitelist and other safe guards, of course. But, recently a gentleman gave up his information on a very reputable site and two girls got arrested. He did not get arrested or charged….

Hmmm…...

Posted By: TalkToTrees

by giving me your real name so that I can check to see if you are not a sex offender?

It's a 2 way street.

I have to protect myself as well.

With so many fake people on the internet these days, one can never be too careful, regardless of who you are and what you are doing.

You're going to respond by saying stuff about your reviews? It seems that a good number of people don't take reviews at face value. What does that tell you? Are the reviews overvalued? Inaccurate? Unreliable?

I can turn around and say that I have a few ladies who have whitelisted me. (which is true) Are you going to believe me? How much value do you place on those ladies who whitelisted me?

I can go on and on, but you get the idea.

The Forest Waits

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 461 reads

posted 12 years ago

14 / 27

Re: Will you do the same?

As I think about it, I think maybe my original message has been somewhat misunderstood….

Jobs, family and loved ones, reputations etc….we all have these things to protect. I never, ever judge any hobbyist who is uncomfortable giving away private information. It is entirely up to every individual what they are comfortable, or not comfortable sharing!!

I posted because I have had a couple of people, whom I could not get enough information to verify, that then went on to be somewhat harassing when I would not see them. Persistent and/or nasty emails are just not ok! For hobbyists and providers alike, it is entirely a matter of personal choice who they decide to spend their time with!

I have been called stuck-up and condescending and had some one state that only old men with dementia could be "conned" into paying my rates.

SOoooo….my point, gentleman was that if you don't want to give me the information that I request (which, of course, is fine) please do not take it personal or take it out on me when I decide not to book an appointment with you…..just move on and most likely, you will find a perfectly acceptable provider that is willing to see you. We are all different….

I'm just sayin'

Sam

Posted By: samanthategan

No, I won't give you my real name and I should not be asked to. I find it disturbing that you do not think that the risk for providers is higher……

You know where I live and what I do…..I do not have that information from you.

At bare minimum, the physical size and strength difference should speak to you!

I cannot talk about others, but all my reviews are accurate and up to date. They were hard earned and it is very difficult to get reviews posted when you are new or (like myself) returning from a long break.
Many sites will not even allow you to advertise.
If you don't have reviews, many sites will not post a review for you (really!). Without reviews, the guys who are "whitelisted" and "safe" (have other forms of reference/verifiability etc. ) will not book appointments. We are forced to rely on sites like this and prayer.

Like most girls, I do pay attention to the whitelist and other safe guards, of course. But, recently a gentleman gave up his information on a very reputable site and two girls got arrested. He did not get arrested or charged….

Hmmm…...

Posted By: TalkToTrees

by giving me your real name so that I can check to see if you are not a sex offender?

It's a 2 way street.

I have to protect myself as well.

With so many fake people on the internet these days, one can never be too careful, regardless of who you are and what you are doing.

You're going to respond by saying stuff about your reviews? It seems that a good number of people don't take reviews at face value. What does that tell you? Are the reviews overvalued? Inaccurate? Unreliable?

I can turn around and say that I have a few ladies who have whitelisted me. (which is true) Are you going to believe me? How much value do you place on those ladies who whitelisted me?

I can go on and on, but you get the idea.

The Forest Waits

TalkToTrees 365 reads

posted 12 years ago

15 / 27

Are you Nucking Futs?

Refusing to give me your real name so that I can verify that you are not a sex offender? Is that a smart move on your part? Since I would be giving you my real name during your screening process, why can't you do the same for my screening process?

I don't know where you live. What makes you think I know where you live?

You're saying that the risk for providers is higher? How so?

You're telling me that I don't have to worry about pimps, police stings or irate husbands/boyfriends?

Body size and strength will be irrelevant when a pimp or irate husbands/boyfriends twice the size of me comes at me.

In my opinion, the risks are the same for both sides.

Your rationale is downright condescending to all hobbyists alike.

By putting all hobbyists in the same basket is stupid and pointless.

The Forest Waits

Posted By: samanthategan

No, I won't give you my real name and I should not be asked to. I find it disturbing that you do not think that the risk for providers is higher……

You know where I live and what I do…..I do not have that information from you.

At bare minimum, the physical size and strength difference should speak to you!

I cannot talk about others, but all my reviews are accurate and up to date. They were hard earned and it is very difficult to get reviews posted when you are new or (like myself) returning from a long break.
Many sites will not even allow you to advertise.
If you don't have reviews, many sites will not post a review for you (really!). Without reviews, the guys who are "whitelisted" and "safe" (have other forms of reference/verifiability etc. ) will not book appointments. We are forced to rely on sites like this and prayer.

Like most girls, I do pay attention to the whitelist and other safe guards, of course. But, recently a gentleman gave up his information on a very reputable site and two girls got arrested. He did not get arrested or charged….

Hmmm…...

Posted By: TalkToTrees

by giving me your real name so that I can check to see if you are not a sex offender?

It's a 2 way street.

I have to protect myself as well.

With so many fake people on the internet these days, one can never be too careful, regardless of who you are and what you are doing.

You're going to respond by saying stuff about your reviews? It seems that a good number of people don't take reviews at face value. What does that tell you? Are the reviews overvalued? Inaccurate? Unreliable?

I can turn around and say that I have a few ladies who have whitelisted me. (which is true) Are you going to believe me? How much value do you place on those ladies who whitelisted me?

I can go on and on, but you get the idea.

The Forest Waits

thegoodsh 19 Reviews 343 reads

posted 12 years ago

16 / 27

If you don't feel comfortable doing it, don't do it. Simple.

You keep your money/time. She keeps her time.

You'll both survive without each other

thegoodsh 19 Reviews 367 reads

posted 12 years ago

17 / 27

Your mistake...

...is ignoring your starting positions, or more likely, posturing for effect.

She places her ad, and sets the "rules".
You have the choice to accept those rules and contact her, or not.
If you don't like the rules, you don't play, and neither loses anything.

Why are you pretending that you are being forced to see specific providers who want your real name? The majority of providers don't ask for it, or even seem to screen much at all

TalkToTrees 465 reads

posted 12 years ago

18 / 27

You're ignoring this...

... a rhetorical question.

If I did this... will you do that? That's my point here.

If I gave a provider my personal information including stuff from my ID, I should expect that the provider will reciprocate the same information if I were to SCREEN her. Often times, I never ask the provider for that info, but if there is something sketchy about the provider, usually, I will move onto another provider.

Are you forgetting something? Us hobbyists have to protect ourselves, too.

Unless you are a sex offender or a major criminal (murder), you should be able to provide that information when requested.

It's a 2 way street. If you don't like it, get off the street!

The Forest Waits

Posted By: thegoodsh

...is ignoring your starting positions, or more likely, posturing for effect.

She places her ad, and sets the "rules".
You have the choice to accept those rules and contact her, or not.
If you don't like the rules, you don't play, and neither loses anything.

Why are you pretending that you are being forced to see specific providers who want your real name? The majority of providers don't ask for it, or even seem to screen much at all.

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 439 reads

posted 12 years ago

19 / 27

I shouldn't say anything but...

Hmmmm……

If I was smart I wouldn't even respond to this but just a couple of things….

You have my address when we make a date because I, like a lot of providers, entertain in my home.

I never said that you don't have to worry about irate boyfriends or pimps (well with me you don't

but I have never heard of something like that happening. Clearly, LE is a concern for both sides.

So, if you see 2-4 new providers every week then perhaps you are at risk as much as I am but I still doubt it.

And guys, I didn't mean to put all hobbyists in the same basket….just the nuts

Sam

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 397 reads

posted 12 years ago

20 / 27

and my last word….I promise!

Guys and my lovely ladies too,

You may not be aware but not only is LE using new child trafficking laws to try and go after providers but the IRS is really cracking down on the "self-employed." A friend of mine who is a lawyer has had several cases cross his desk that were IRS vs. providers and has told me that the IRS is targeting single women with vague jobs such as "entertainers" and "consultants."

Yes, I know that hobbyists are self-employed also but just one more thing to consider if you think that providers are not putting themselves at great risk to pursue a career they believe in….

Kisses!

TalkToTrees 562 reads

posted 12 years ago

21 / 27

But, you did say something...

... and that makes you NOT so smart, huh?

For starters, I have never made a date with you and never will.

You never heard of that happening with pimps, boyfriends/husbands? Clearly, you are living in la-la land! Read the forums on here in TER. There's a bunch of threads about that sort of thing.

Oh, you say that you never read the forums? Too bad for you, you can get a lot of good info on the forums once you read beyond the train wrecks.

I have NEVER made any claims to see 2-4 providers per week. Where did you get that info from?

Again, you are equating the risks to be higher on the provider side... that is where you are wrong. It's EQUAL risk on both sides regardless the number of dates we have.

Clearly, you aren't doing a very good job making yourself look good.

The Forest Waits

Posted By: samanthategan

Hmmmm……

If I was smart I wouldn't even respond to this but just a couple of things….

You have my address when we make a date because I, like a lot of providers, entertain in my home.

I never said that you don't have to worry about irate boyfriends or pimps (well with me you don't

but I have never heard of something like that happening. Clearly, LE is a concern for both sides.

So, if you see 2-4 new providers every week then perhaps you are at risk as much as I am but I still doubt it.

And guys, I didn't mean to put all hobbyists in the same basket….just the nuts

Sam

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 420 reads

posted 12 years ago

22 / 27

Amen. -e-

Posted By: thegoodsh

...is ignoring your starting positions, or more likely, posturing for effect.

She places her ad, and sets the "rules".
You have the choice to accept those rules and contact her, or not.
If you don't like the rules, you don't play, and neither loses anything.

Why are you pretending that you are being forced to see specific providers who want your real name? The majority of providers don't ask for it, or even seem to screen much at all.

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 475 reads

posted 12 years ago

23 / 27

Re: Will you do the same?

Buddy, given your highly publicized track record for being a hooker-stalking lunatic, I wouldn't give you my real name for diamonds. You are straight up nuts and bolts.

Posted By: TalkToTrees

by giving me your real name so that I can check to see if you are not a sex offender?

It's a 2 way street.

I have to protect myself as well. I don't budge on my protocols, either.

The Forest Waits

Posted By: Tobi Telford

I'm Tobi, the OP is Samantha. But if you want my opinion, yeah, real full names are required if you want to see me. There are ladies who don't require that info, but for me, I don't budge on my screening protocol.

Posted By: letsplaynow56

Very heartfelt and real post. I understand your need for safety Tobi and guys want and need safety to. The only thing I don't like to share is my civilian name does that make a difference to a lady?

TalkToTrees 377 reads

posted 12 years ago

24 / 27

What are you dreaming?

First, my name isn't Buddy, it's not even my handle name!

What's your REAL name? It sure isn't Tobi Telford, that's for sure! You stole that ID from someone who has that same name in LinkedIn.

my "highly publicized track record of being a hooker-stalking lunatic"? Where in the hell did you get that info from? From an elf from under a rock?

Wow, now I see the dark side of you, thank you for showing all the world to see.

The Forest Waits

Posted By: Tobi Telford

Buddy, given your highly publicized track record for being a hooker-stalking lunatic, I wouldn't give you my real name for diamonds. You are straight up nuts and bolts.

Posted By: TalkToTrees

by giving me your real name so that I can check to see if you are not a sex offender?

It's a 2 way street.

I have to protect myself as well. I don't budge on my protocols, either.

The Forest Waits

Posted By: Tobi Telford

I'm Tobi, the OP is Samantha. But if you want my opinion, yeah, real full names are required if you want to see me. There are ladies who don't require that info, but for me, I don't budge on my screening protocol.

Posted By: letsplaynow56

Very heartfelt and real post. I understand your need for safety Tobi and guys want and need safety to. The only thing I don't like to share is my civilian name does that make a difference to a lady?

samanthategan See my TER Reviews 515 reads

posted 12 years ago

25 / 27

Re: But, you did say something...

Hmmm….no, never said that I didn't read the forums….actually I do all the time but only a few are worth responding to….I'm thinking most agree with that…..yet, you are on here all the time…hmmmm.

I never said that you see 2-4 providers a week, I said that I see 2-4 clients a week

…lol!

Wow, really not sure how this got into some personal nastiness….wasn't my intention ever….just putting out there that I thought there was something to think about as far as what a girl asks for/versus her risk factor…..very sorry I pushed your buttons but also very happy that I know not to ever entertain the idea of meeting you….

Anyway, I'm not really sure what I did to tweak your buttons and I am sorry I evoked that kind of personal nastiness from you….I posted saying that, based on some new changes, I need/ask for a little more info than some are ready to give, or maybe used to give, and only wanted to make the point that, if you are not willing to give me that info, I do not mind at all….just don't want to get called names, verbally abused or harassed because of it etc…..

If you were to ask my opinion, I just don't understand why we waste time on hate and judgement…..You could not have proved my point better…..so, thanks so much Darling…. I think the forest is waiting for you

Love, and kisses to all the beautiful loving hearts out there (i have met so many

),
Samantha

skylersky1 See my TER Reviews 453 reads

posted 12 years ago

26 / 27

Omgoosh, this is whole thread-prooves the point

If a dude is arguing about screening- there's a reason.
Luckily, when he argued with me that I should only go by his past reviews of ladies & listen to what they say, I ended up finding he was the one who had threatened & harrassed me for 3 years, changing his name a few times....Shit I thought I had 3 different crazy guys destroying my name- it was the same person.
Do not ever let a guy know your real name- they will call the police on you!!!!! Luckily yall thought my name was Miranda Moore & you sent the police after her but sadly several other providers were arrested.
They were the kind of girls yall like to- they did the quick sessions & partied so ya cud get an appt. for $50.
They all got kicked out of the hotel & some were arrested for drugs, since they had minute amounts of marijuana.
I lost alot of biz since ya had the sheriff sitting in front of the door of the hotel monitoring everyone walking in & out of the hotel.
They had several guys call acting like they were coming to see me, jus to get the room number. Then they sent a dude up out of the blue to ask for a session (of course didnt happen, I'm guessin to get a look at me).
And I got the emails to proove the harrassment where he sent the pic of the mugshot of Miranda Moore age 24 (I'm 41). But I loved how all the 'ter' memebers jumped on the harassment train. Never asking why I got this dude harrassing me - I had refused to give a discounted appt. for 120 in exchange for a good review.
Girls screen.....cuz you have no idea how vindictive all of these guys are, when they dnt get their way, or if ya don't say everything they want to hear, never have a dif of opinion....& if they call or text for a right now appt. & you can't answer- trust me you will pay for it.
I just had a real ugly horrid asshole fight me back in April cuz he called at 1:30am I didnt answer cuz I was in an appt. I forgot to turn my volume down & he kept texting & calling. I had to ask my appt if they wud giv me a second to text whoever was calling.
When I got out of the appt. dude expected me to jump in my vehicle without a shower & show up, I didnt realize this, so I took a shower, makin me not get there until 55minutes after we hung up the phone, it's a 20-25min drive. Then he argued that he was calling me at 130am....yeah & it was 2:40 wen I called him back, then he kept me on the phone til 3am. So then he wants to get violent with me....after I drove there.
So screen....don't let them bully you into not screening.
I'm sure most of the guys are going to ask you or expect you do give them illegal services after they give ya the donation, so why not make them proove who they are? They have our reviews so they know who we are & what we offer.
If they don't want to be screened, then they should stick with the massage parlors that send the girls out & after the girl gets to the door, she decides what she will do & how much & that still doesn't guarantee fs.
The guys who are stable & dnt plan to blackmail you or bash you when they dnt get their way like bb or a discounted session, they will easily give you the correct info. for you to screen them & feel safe.
A dollar isn't worth risking your sanity......

Posted By: samanthategan

Hello all my Darlings,

Those of you who know me, know that I am coming back to this wonderful life after a long sabbatical due to an illness (kisses and love to all of you who supported and stood by me during that battle!!!). I love my life, love what I do and, mostly, love my wonderful clients. Let me, however, take one moment to speak about a difference that I have observed since returning several months ago. I have, sadly, noticed a real difference in the willingness of clients to be forthcoming, to allow me the information needed to verify you and feel safe, and, primarily, to take into account the danger that providers undertake in doing this job. Only recently, have I had several hobbyists who have given me a very hard time and even some very nasty push-back about giving me any references or personal information. I am the one that is most in danger by allowing into my home, my life and exposing my 5' tall 110 lb self to you! I realize that hobbyists are also exposing themselves! This is, and always will be, an exercise in shared vulnerability and I have, unfortunately, met and heard some stories about crazy, nasty providers. Still, if you cannot trust me enough to allow me to know who you are and what you are expecting, then do not expect me to trust you coming into my home and personal life!!! I am willing to talk, text etc until you feel comfortable but if you are not willing to give me what I need to feel safe, then please do not waste my time. You are not the only one that is vulnerable!!!!
Thank you'll for listening to my rant

Kisses, Sam

TalkToTrees 436 reads

posted 12 years ago

27 / 27

Question??

Where did the name Miranda Moore come from?

How or why did this guy use that name against you?

This guy you are talking about must have made some sort of connection between you and that name in order to harass you.

Don't get me wrong, I am not for harassment, that's not my point, my point being is how or why did that name come up in the first place?

The Forest Waits

Posted By: skylersky1

And I got the emails to proove the harrassment where he sent the pic of the mugshot of Miranda Moore age 24 (I'm 41). But I loved how all the 'ter' memebers jumped on the harassment train. Never asking why I got this dude harrassing me - I had refused to give a discounted appt. for 120 in exchange for a good review.