Was looking over some of the provider websites today and noticed a couple of them thanking hobbyists for gifts. Now flowers, perfume , lingerie and the like I can see, but to get a provider fairly expensive computers, jewelry etc is just crazy to me. Don't these guys know that these women are in the illusion business; they really AREN'T your gf.  What do the rest of you think? Providers and hobbyists.

I wouldn't give them a repeat fucking visit.

I've gifted everywhere except Columbus

EXACTLY RIGHT!!

The most I have ever brought along with the envelope is a single rose, I have not done that in the last year.

I would say a number of guys are not clued in enough to realize it, no.

There may be some who do that as more of a play toward their bankroll, to flaunt their money, I don't suppose I would have anything bad to say about that. But any guy trying to make the arrangement more than it is by getting gifts is delusional.

I would like to think a provider who had any sense would have some red flags go up in her mind if a guy started escalating gifts as he saw her, might be a sign of future stalker trouble.

First off, I think some of what you read is not exactly as it says.  These girls put expensive gifts on their websites to entice others to get gifts of the same caliber even though they never actually received the gift from a hobbyist.  But anyway, my thought on gifts....

Gifts are good to give to providers when deserving.  I have given gifts when I felt it was the right thing to do, not just because she completed her end of the deal.  If she did more than what was expected or treated me better than what was expected more than once then I reward her with a small gift.  If it turned into a LTR and saw her regularly or she became my ATF then I would get her something even nicer.  I get my ATF something regularly and for Christmas and Valentine's Day.  It's a nice way to say thanks for treating me so good.  The better she treats me the more I want to get her.

OSP, dude I definatly feel for you dude, I share your frustration with the piss poor selection here, I still contend that Cincy is worse as far as perfect 10 type selection than Cbus, but you know the area better than I.

All I can say is hang in there and never let the selection drag down your standards. A man with standards and discipline may not get much action around this region but look on the bright side, it does wonders for your stock of recreational cash,lol. I feel alot better about the prospect of splurging when and if a number of girls come thorugh at once since my stock of funds has at least benefitted from this desert.

I know I wouldn't have built up the kind of savings I have now if I lived in Las Vegas,New York, or even Chicago. Just trying to find the bright side for you, yeah it only temporarily squashes my frustration too,lol.

Well dude that does put it into some meaningful context.  I was reading the ''Gift'' section of my ATF and noted that she had a list of thank you's for big gifts.  Since my economic situation precludes me from seeing her much, and I have a hard time even arranging, I figure that these ''high rollers'' are using the leverage to book her up. lol.

If someone is very nice to me, I like to be nice back.  As an older gent, it never hurts to be more generous than the average guy.  I really like my ladies, my special few.  I hope they like me too but I have no illusions about the nature of the relationship.  For a birthday, or at Christmas, i like to make a gift, a GD deposit.

Not everyone plays in this sandbox the same way.

There are a few ladies I have been seeing for over 10 years, in one case pushing 20.  We have shared a lot of things in and outside the bedrooms.  Are any of them my GF?  No.  But a number have become friends, and I certainly have given some nice presents at various times--graduation, wedding, "just because" after a lady has given me 10+ years of fond memories.  Never beyond my means, and I have never seen a problem with it.  I don't consider a computer or a nice piece of jewery to be an extravagant gift to a friend on a special occasion.

What you or I consider "extravagant" is not the same as what others think is so.  My ATF had a client who gave her a free and clear condo worth about half a mil.  To him it really was pocket change.  Anothe lady I know got a nice apartment pre-paid for a year from a lawyer who probably spent that much on coffee.

If those are beyond your budget, or you don't have a lady you think about 60 seconds after you leave--then do not buy such gifts.  If others can afford them and wish to give them, why should you care?

no different than when I give a valued customer preference if my workload gets overwhelming.  No different here.

Well to be quite honest I actually think you've moved my opinion some. Honestly it maybe just simple jealousy to some extent bc I dont have the means to see my ATF as often as I would like.  And if I had seen someone as long as that and as frequent you must have then maybe the line between ''client'' and friend may blur.

hell lets be honest; I'm jealous of the high roller money and their good times.   lol

I would have to plead guilty on blurring the lines with some ladies.  It has cost me more than if I hadn't, but so be it.

As to being jealous--tell me about it!  I had an overnight date near her birthday with my ATF.  I had a necklace for her, probably cost me about $200--the most I think I had ever spent on a lady to that point intime.  I was feeling pretty proud of myself!

She says, "Insead of staying at your hotel, why don't we stay at my new place."  Sounded nice, until as she's showing me around it she mentions it's a gift from XXXX (who I knew was her VERY wealthy benefactor).  She didn't say it in any bragging way, it was more the excited Opening-a-birthday-present kind of way.  But talk about deflating my ego!

I'll just say one thing though (and I can't take credit, a couple different adies have essentially told me the same thing):  If an established lady sees a guy who frequently brings her a big ticket gift, she will see him even if she doesn't consider him the best of clients.  The added "reward" makes up for some of his shortcomings, and she will work harded to pretend to like their time together.  On the other hand, if a guy can only afford an occasional bunch of flowers then it's pretty clear she enjoys the time with him.

I used to compair what I brought--or where I would take a lady for dinner--with what "other guys" could do.  It always deminished how much I enjoyed the time.  When I stopped thinking that way and focused on her smile as she opened even a small gift, my dates started being more fun again.