Well I do not ask for a white-list because I am member of P411 which is true verification site. I always asked a provider I have seen for an OKAY on P411.
CDL can explain this better, but since he is still sleeping instead of working, I'll give it a shot.
The reviewer can give his opinion on the girl and experience without potential negative fallout. A provider needs a handle to give a Whitelist, and the Whitelist can be tied back to a review. If you have separate identies and alias for hobbying and reviewing, it makes it much harder to know who gave a poor review, honest or not. Separating the hobby side persona from the review persona also keeps a potential 'legal' separation as well
All of my whitelists have come w/o my asking for them. There are some amply-reviewed providers I've seen more than once who don't appear to whitelist anyone. I look at it as a bonus of sorts. On the other hand, I do ask for P411 OK's. Having recent OK's on P411 seems to be much more useful to providers.
Most likely explanation is that he's never asked for one.
It may also mean that he's not active on the site aside from posting reviews. He may not share his board handle during screening or at any other time, and he may not post on the boards... and, he may see women who aren't very active here. Some guys will ask for a WL after every date. Other times (although I feel this happens much more rarely) a lady will issue a client a WL as a sort of thank you, without being asked. This is more common when both parties are very active on TER. I'll mention here that just because a guy *does* have 50 WL's doesn't necessarily mean he's OK. It may just mean he's asked at least 50 women. A few times, I've felt stuck giving a WL for fear that I'd receive a bad review or some other form of online retaliation (the guys were definitely safe, but fell far short of being model clients). There is definitely some unspoken pressure to comply, which is why WL's are not one of my preferred methods of verification.
as a matter of fact, there's a post on twitter from Gina that said "P411 is only one tool in the verification process". means, an ok, its that.. and ok for THAT PERIOD OF TIME, but doesn't mean its the only thing that ladies should use for verification.
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Most likely explanation is that he's never asked for one.
It may also mean that he's not active on the site aside from posting reviews. He may not share his board handle during screening or at any other time, and he may not post on the boards... and, he may see women who aren't very active here.
Some guys will ask for a WL after every date. Other times (although I feel this happens much more rarely) a lady will issue a client a WL as a sort of thank you, without being asked. This is more common when both parties are very active on TER.
I'll mention here that just because a guy *does* have 50 WL's doesn't necessarily mean he's OK. It may just mean he's asked at least 50 women. A few times, I've felt stuck giving a WL for fear that I'd receive a bad review or some other form of online retaliation (the guys were definitely safe, but fell far short of being model clients). There is definitely some unspoken pressure to comply, which is why WL's are not one of my preferred methods of verification.
As a hobbyist who posts under his handle and puts his reviews and whitelist front and center, it is important to me to maintain a current and active whitelist. This is my sole method of screening (I send both an E-mail and a PM to a potential new provider). I am not a member of other verification sites, so whitelists are important to me.
Now even though I have over 50 whitelists (and 180 plus reviews), I still don't expect a lady to compromise on her screening. While most ladies do accept the sheer volume of my whitelists as an okay to see me, or they may know personally one of my whitelist references, other ladies may still E-mail a few of the most current whitelist ladies as further verification. Or, they could still want a provider reference or two from me. And all of that is great. You have to determine how much or how little validity you put into a whitelist. Of course other hobbyists may, for reasons discussed, have no whitelists at all... and they could be the greatest clients in the world. At the end of the day, all that matters is if you (the provider) is satisfied/comfortable with the information that is being provided to you.
It seems lately that just having a whitelisting isn't enough for some providers. Despite several whitelistings and a (new) presence on P411 (not to mention a presence on these forums!) a provider also wanted me to send her a photo with ID (I refused). There have also been a few on the opposite end of the spectrum that as far as I could tell did little more than base their screening of me on our delightful phone conversation. So who the heck knows!
But maybe in CA where they sell their souls. I'll get CDL back one way or another.
'OK's are easier to get on P411 as there has to be a significant reason for a provider to deny the request. However, you have to be a member to request one, and that is enough for some ladies. Any member can get a Whitelist on TER, even without requesting it. GaGa has one, and we know that is not the only lady he's seen, and he might not have requested it. So Whitelists may not have as much significance because a client can get one without asking, and be a complete jerk, while a compete jerk on P411 can request an OK and get one, because P411 frowns on the denials. Maybe this helps explain the extra inquiry. And yes the additional inquiry has happened to me, but the picture request is a bit beyond what I would provide as well. Another reference direct from a provider should be sufficient.
But maybe in CA where they sell their souls. I'll get CDL back one way or another.
'OK's are easier to get on P411 as there has to be a significant reason for a provider to deny the request. However, you have to be a member to request one, and that is enough for some ladies. Any member can get a Whitelist on TER, even without requesting it. GaGa has one, and we know that is not the only lady he's seen, and he might not have requested it. So Whitelists may not have as much significance because a client can get one without asking, and be a complete jerk, while a compete jerk on P411 can request an OK and get one, because P411 frowns on the denials. Maybe this helps explain the extra inquiry. And yes the additional inquiry has happened to me, but the picture request is a bit beyond what I would provide as well. Another reference direct from a provider should be sufficient.
...no whitelists. That doesn't mean he does not have any whitelists. For whatever reason he chooses not to show them. I know one guy who has a very jealous ATF and she doesn't want him to see anyone else, so he hides his whitelists.
OTOH, a guy can have 200 reviews of K-girls but no whitelists because they and their bookers don't whitelist their clients.
...if you see a guy with a lot of reviews, you can ask him if he has whitelists that he is not displaying. If he does, he can tell you who they are and you can check with those providers.
But I've never asked for a whitelist from an escort. I've got references that can vouch that I am who I say I am, I am clean, I don't play games with the donation and I don't ask for unsafe behavior. I figure I don't really need whitelists.
I recently started this hobby and in the beginning would look up TER handles that prospective clients provided me with. If he was whitelisted, I'd go ahead and see him. Then I learned on this forum that it's important to actually contact the references (thank you community), that's what I do every time now. I have a question about a recurring puzzle: why do some reviewers who have written over 20 or 50 reviews have ZERO whitelists? Does it mean nobody likes him? I still see those guys, but I am super careful in screening when I see that. Why do some guys have whitelists after 2-3 reviews?
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