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While I can't argue with your point Jack...
starsandstripes 11 Reviews 2352 reads
posted
1 / 20
STDs

Hello  all..  

I am a would be - first time hobbyist. I am interested in seeing an unnamed higher-end provider, however I do have some reservations that I would like to clear up with the community.  

I know every independent provider is different, but how common is it for higher-end providers to get tested for STDs? Reading websites and TER reviews, it seems that this is never mentioned by anyone. It seems common for Hobbyist  to receive and give unprotected oral sex with providers  on a regular basis, and nobody seems concerned. Do hobbyist just not care? Do providers not care? Why is this overlooked.  

Are there independent providers who test regularly al'a girls at the legal brothels? Would this information be posted on their site, or perhaps discussed in person? Or is this something that is just generally ignored among the community?  

Is it common for hobbyist to catch STD's? I would imagine so.  

My worst fear is catching something I don't want from a provider.... then again, I suppose that could be circumvented by protecting myself at all times, or perhaps not even participating at all.  

Any thoughts

DJ1985 21 Reviews 753 reads
posted
2 / 20
If you are a first time hobbyist why do you have reviews dating to 2012?

Good luck getting accurate information about STSs. Even if you see a STD report it's just a snapshot from the moment the test was done.  
There is risk involved with any sexual encounter whether it's P4P or a bar hook-up although I believe P4P is safer given the frequent use of condoms. Do what you can to protect yourself, but if you think the risk is to great find yourself a different hobby.

starsandstripes 11 Reviews 738 reads
posted
3 / 20
Re: If you are a first time hobbyist why do you have reviews dating to 2012?

Dear Mr. Holmes,  

Those are massage reviews. No FS providers to date. Should have made note of that.

JackDunphy 664 reads
posted
4 / 20
Huh?

"But the fact is that you're less likely to get an STD from a provider than you are a random civvie at the local watering hole."

How in the world could you possibly assert that as "fact" is beyond me. You would have to know the sexual safety practices of providers other than yourself (which you don't) and compare that to Jane Doe at the local watering hole (which you cant).

I dont ever make it a practice of saying providers are more likely to have and pass on an STD than the average non-working gal, b/c frankly I have no idea, but to state categorically that the reverse of that statement is true strains credulity to the point of it meaning nothing.



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yellowfever1250 10 Reviews 801 reads
posted
5 / 20
im no doctor and

maybe someone who knows more about this can clarify, but from my googling, in terms if receiving bbbj the only likely risks is herpes, there r two types, herpes 1 and herpes 2. now most people already have herpes 1(cold sores) so even if the provider has herpes 1 orally, it is extremely unlikely she will give u herpes 1 on ur dick

because most people already have herpes 1, it is hard to get it on ur genitals once u have it orally  

other stds r an extremely rare risk for oral sex, however if u deep throat or receive dt, it increases that chance(due to the glands in the back of ur throat)

chances of herpes 2 are low assuming everyone uses covered fs however keep in mind herpes 2 sores arent limited to just the penis or the vagina, herpes 2 sores can be located in general area of ur crotch which obviously cant be covered by a condom  

none of this info is verified but rather what i researched from googling so if anyone is able to clarify thatd be great

 

 

 
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JackDunphy 578 reads
posted
6 / 20
Please pass along your scientific research to support your "fact."

Anecdotal stories from johns or hookers are absolutely meaningless on a fk board. It is in the girls best interest here to have johns believe what you say is true.  

The guys here may be more apt to buy into that "opinion" of yours to calm their own worries and allow them to put the thought of STD's out of their mind.

No one here knows fact certain what other women do in the privacy of their bedrooms, whether they be civie or a pro, and those that claim otherwise are only kidding themselves

WymenLover 36 Reviews 648 reads
posted
7 / 20
My experience....

since becoming a member of TER almost 11 years ago:

Have seen about 60 providers (many before I started submitting reviews), including some in Tijuana.  Have received BBBJ from all but one.  Performed DATY on all.  

No problem.  I have been tested regularly during that time.

VOO-doo 585 reads
posted
8 / 20
Have to agree.

Many providers are very smart and cautious, and so are many civvies.  But, the opposite is true as well.  

I do agree that many providers are intelligent and responsible women do not engage in overly risky behavior and are tested regularly. But I have met many providers who are not very responsible. They are either uneducated (sometimes by stubborn choice), or choose to indulge in an 'it won't happen to me' mentality. Or, they are blinded by the prospect of a 10 and a quick payday.  

As far as I know, there is one test done that affirms that escorts do have a lower std rate than that of the general public. However, that study was done on Nevada brothel workers who must test clean to remain licensed...and from what I have read, in those enviroments, it is more common than not for EVERYTHING to be covered, even DATY. So IMO those results are not relevant to the underground market, which is not regulated, and in which risk taking can unfortunately be quite well rewarded.  
 
Posted By: JackDunphy
"But the fact is that you're less likely to get an STD from a provider than you are a random civvie at the local watering hole."  
   
 How in the world could you possibly assert that as "fact" is beyond me. You would have to know the sexual safety practices of providers other than yourself (which you don't) and compare that to Jane Doe at the local watering hole (which you cant).  
   
 I dont ever make it a practice of saying providers are more likely to have and pass on an STD than the average non-working gal, b/c frankly I have no idea, but to state categorically that the reverse of that statement is true strains credulity to the point of it meaning nothing.  
   
 

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1192967 45 Reviews 632 reads
posted
9 / 20
While I can't argue with your point Jack...

...I have to say I can't count how many times I have read right here (on TER) the very same thing Julia said. It wasn't providers saying it either.

 

 
edited for spelling

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VOO-doo 622 reads
posted
10 / 20
It is an urban myth. Repetition/blind belief does not equal truth (e)


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starsandstripes 11 Reviews 673 reads
posted
11 / 20
Re: My experience....

hey a real world account. Thanks for the info. I guess you've been pretty lucky with the crap shoot.  

Thanks for all the info people. Definitely helpful. I conclude that you can't be totally safe, unless you're totally safe.

From the info I gathered online, there is practically zero chance of contracting HIV (see HAART), and some risk of contracting misc. STD through BBBJ both give and receive.  I would assume your chances for the latter, decrease if you choose your provider wisely and vise versa (al'a Tijuana).  

So with a little luck, and alotta smarts, you should be OK.  
Posted By: WymenLover
since becoming a member of TER almost 11 years ago:  
   
 Have seen about 60 providers (many before I started submitting reviews), including some in Tijuana.  Have received BBBJ from all but one.  Performed DATY on all.    
   
 No problem.  I have been tested regularly during that time.

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 467 reads
posted
12 / 20
Agree. Urban legend or not, it gets repeatedly said here, and while JLS is getting questioned on it

Swimtrekr, and mrfisher, and others get a pass every time they say it.

VOO-doo 517 reads
posted
13 / 20
Not from me :)

It just goes counter to what I have witnessed. I have called it out as BS many times bc I find the advice to be a bit dangerous as well as inaccurate. MANY women are careless in thus business. So are the men (it takes two).. bad choices abound on both sides of the coin and are NOT limited to the lower echelons as many would like to believ

1192967 45 Reviews 530 reads
posted
14 / 20
Wasn't saying it was true. (eom)


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JackDunphy 667 reads
posted
15 / 20
It really matters how you define the "it" you are referring to in your title.

I looked up Mr. Fish's comments on this in the past and I didnt see him say that its a FACT that civies are more likely to have/spread an STD than a p4p girl, in general.

What I have read that he has said is that in his own PERSONAL experience, he has received STD's from civies and not from hookers and therefore p4p gals MAY be safer. It is his OPINION he was giving. Thats fundamentally different than what Julia is saying i.e. that it's a verifiable FACT civie girls are less safe.  

He stopped short of making the leap of logic that Julia did at least in the 3 or 4 posts I read of his. Didn't have time to check out swims posts. Maybe swim and Fish will clarify their remarks. Semantics does matter re: this issue.

Btw, how are you making out with the Storm(s), Storm? lol. Hope you and friends/family are safe and sound.

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perfectstorm 19 Reviews 477 reads
posted
16 / 20
Yes you are correct:)

You do have several posts on this board calling out the posts saying P4P is safer than civvy sex. I was incorrect in saying everyone gives them a pass. For what it's worth, I have no idea if civvy sex or p4p sex is safer, and I have only seen opinions, and no facts on the subject. I do know that in and out of the hobby there are safe practices (and people) and unsafe. All we can do is manage our own risk.

I also agree with you on the fact that unsafe practices are NOT limited to the lower echelons. I have heard of numerous "high end, high priced, high rated ladies doing bbfs" (and yes there is just as much responsibility on the client side), and all the streetwalkers I have known don't even kiss or offer bbbj.  
:)

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 378 reads
posted
17 / 20
I missed that. :)

I did miss the fact that Julia used "fact" in her last sentence and that does make her statement wrong unless she can back it up with facts or statistics. Also see my post above to Voo-doo. I take back my earlier statement.

I did have other things on my mind today like the storms you mentioned. Thanks for asking. We just got the "all clear" as Iselle passed and is now breaking up. Julio is still coming but looks like it is going to bypass us to the north. Family and friends are all safe and ok, although some are without power and water. There are homes damaged and lots of downed trees and power lines, but it could have been a lot worse

PERCY94541 35 Reviews 539 reads
posted
18 / 20
Re: Lots of thoughts...

I certainly agree that the risk of acquiring an STD from BBBJ or DATY is very minimum.  After taking classes involving infectious disease.  I am convince the risks are minimum.  The one thing that you need to make sure of is that you don't have a cut in your mouth or any part that comes in direct contact with the inside of the mouth or the genital area of the person you're spending time with.  

I highly recommend you take some classes regarding infectious disease or do the research, but this will require to study each specific bacterial or virus.

Percy

VOO-doo 412 reads
posted
19 / 20
Same here.

I think that some people take care of themselves...some people do not. Goes for both providers and civvies.  

Who knows if one group is safer than another? There is no way to find out...and even if we could make generalizations based upon category of 'provider' and 'civvy'...the individual actions of each person would ultimately be the deciding factor.

yellowfever1250 10 Reviews 453 reads
posted
20 / 20
Re: Thank you for the way you've written this post . . .

ah ok thanks but wow i always thought if u didnt have a cut or a open wound orally, then unprotected oral sex was very low risk
i didnt know those STDs were able to be transmitted through saliva  

well with that clarified, im curious now too, going back to OP, why is it that so many providers offer unprotected oral sex? is it just overlooked?  
Posted By: SultrySmarts
I appreciate your research and the fact that you are open to clarification.  
   
 Here goes . . .  
   
 Unfortunately, most STD's are systemic infections.  That means they are not local to one part of the body.  The infection is present in the whole of the body--including blood, saliva, and sexual secretions.  I'm not sure where you've gotten your information, but it is standard medical knowledge that the following STD's can be transmitted via unprotected oral sex.  It should also be noted that they can even be transferred via body to body contact, if bodily fluids are exchanged.  Is the risk the same as vaginal or anal intercourse?  No.  But there are plenty of folks who've been infected with serious illnesses via unprotected oral sex.    
   
 HIV  
 chlamydia  
 genital herpes  
 genital warts (HPV can also cause throat cancer.)  
 gonorrhea  
 some forms of hepatitis  
 syphilis  
   
 http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/behavior/oralsex.html  
   
 Hope that helps clarify.  
   
 Michelle  
 

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