I'm relatively new to this hobby although not completely new. Before started, I read the boards extensively to learn the ropes. So far, I have always seen providers who have all been well reviewed.
Recently, one ad on EROS caught my eyes, but she doesn't have any review. Her pics were so tempting though, so I did Search by Image on Google. It returned pics of and pages about a model who's been on magazine covers. I then emailed her asking why she didn't have reviews (being new?). She replied saying that she didn't want her juicy details to be online as they'd ruin her career. At first, I didn't buy into that, but later she sent me a photo of her taken with her phone, and it looked very much indeed like that model although I can't be 100% sure. I couldn't find this photo on Google so it did't seem to be taken from the Internet. She also gave me her incall address and it's an upscale apartment complex.
Based on these info, my questions are:
1. Is there something still fishy here (LE sting, bait & switch, etc.)? I'm worry about LE especially after recent threads on the topic.
2. Are there any safe ways to verify unreviewed providers? E.g., a P411 type of service that verifies providers instead.
Thank you in advance for any thoughts/comments.
to a firm appointment, especially if they haven't seen the client before. That itself makes me suspicious.
Seems like you're on your own.
Perhaps try posting in the local discussion board to see if anyone else has seen her.
and you being new at this should stick to 7 and above.
What BP said about her giving out her address is really troubling.
Pass
use google/images and/or tineye. Stolen pictures = TROUBLE
Oddly enough, I just went through an experience with something similar. It was an Eros ad and the provider has been around for a number of years. Her webpage had reviews up to 2010, I communicated with her over a period of days and asked a few questions about her web site, etc. She assured me that all was current and that she hadn't updated reviews for various reasons. Made an appointment and saw her. Pics were not current, there were some issues with a taxi, re-done bolt ons were not re-done well and it was clear there were some "issue" going on with her. All said and done, I had a good time and she was a good provider in that sense. It comes down to current activities and current info. If I had a reset button, I wouldn't have made the appointment for the price agreed to. If you can't confirm the provider, I would urge caution.
JC
In spite of how much you are attracted to this gal, I'd stay away, unless you can get some additional verification. I can't think of any provider who would give out her incall address until you are actually on the way to an appointment. That in itself is very suspicious in my mind.
Unfortunately, other than the verification sites, and sites like this one, there is no way to be absolutely sure of a provider unless someone she has seen, that you know and trust, can vouch for her. Does she have a personal website? I do not see unreviewed providers unless someone I know and trust, either another provider or a hobby buddy, can personally tell me she is ok.
Swim
If you are "relatively new to the hobby."
After 2+ years doing this, I have seen a few ladies with no reviews, and I have some good ideas how to screen them (I even saw one lady with no reviews and we did not screen each other at all - but then we met in a very particular way that apparently made both of us feel comfortable about the other). But that is not something I ever did when I was "relatively new."
The biggest risk is not LE, by the way, but rather that this is some sort of rip off and you will be left there without your money and with your dick in your hand, or worse.
Find someone safe and have a good time.
zig
Just because you got a cell phone pic doesn't really mean anything either. You said you think its the same girl - could it be someone with a similar look? Maybe the person you are corresponding with knows of the sites where models are selling their pictures (yes there are such sites). If the pictures are on one of those sites it probably wont show up on an internet search unless it gets posted on a public site.
As others have told you, proceed with extreme caution.
Remember the old saying If it sounds (or looks) too good to be true...
Thank you all for your thoughtful comments. I think I would add more details to give a clearer picture of the situation.
1) About giving out incall address - Actually, I went ahead and set up an appt. So, she actually gave me her incall address the day prior. Interestingly though, she also gave me the gate code (it's an upscale apt complex) and asked me to text her after I am in so that she could text me her room number.
By the way, based on the comments/warnings of everyone here, I cancelled the appt.
2) About P411 and Datecheck - I read P411 website and it sounds like the providers do not have to go through verification before posting their ad. I'm not sure about Datecheck though. In any case, I have suggested her to get verified/reviewed but she is very resistant to that idea.
@ziggy440: I am very interested in your method of meeting "in a very particular way that apparently made both of us feel comfortable about the other". Would it be okay for me to PM you?
3) @Naomi_Sweets - I agree with your points. If she's so concerned about her modeling career, then to me using her modeling pics in her ad would be more risky than being reviewed (under her hobby name). But she may have her own good reasons, I don't know.
By the way, she sent me another cell phone pic, which again looks very much like that model (without makeup). It's really hard to tell.
@crazyshit - Good idea. I will post in the regional board to ask around.
Sorry if these are too much details. I think it's quite an interesting case, and hopefully the discussion that follows would benefit hobbyists here. Thanks again.
I am glad you cancelled.
You need to ask yourself why if she is sooo good looking and obviously must get alot of calls - why is she seeing you without any screening? That is bad news!
High End providers (which is what it sounds like this girl is - if she were actually legit), are not going to just agree to a session and give you the gate code - she is going to want to do some screening.
If she's not scam, she could very well be LE, I can just see Chris Hanson coming out to interview you as you sit there waiting for the girl to get "comfortable".
Cancelling the session sounds like you made the best decision.
So none of what the OP is talking about would surprise me, in that sense.
It's never easy to go into a new appointment like this without risk. You can't really meet in a public place for a drink if you have a paper trail that shows that you were responding to an ad or a posting that advertised sex for money. That alone is enough to bust you, if that were the case.
Given the virtually unlimited downside versus the very limited upside, seems like a good idea to walk. Or wait for someone else to take the plunge.
Regarding both P411 & date-check, not just any lady can get on those sites. You have to have a certain number of reviews, or be verified in some other way. Your pics have to be current, or your ad will be taken down & your account deleted. P411 also has the option to be "photo verified"... ladies on these sites, are much better options, instead of ladies with no reviews.
1) About giving out incall address - Actually, I went ahead and set up an appt. So, she actually gave me her incall address the day prior. Interestingly though, she also gave me the gate code (it's an upscale apt complex) and asked me to text her after I am in so that she could text me her room number.
By the way, based on the comments/warnings of everyone here, I cancelled the appt.
2) About P411 and Datecheck - I read P411 website and it sounds like the providers do not have to go through verification before posting their ad. I'm not sure about Datecheck though. In any case, I have suggested her to get verified/reviewed but she is very resistant to that idea.
@ziggy440: I am very interested in your method of meeting "in a very particular way that apparently made both of us feel comfortable about the other". Would it be okay for me to PM you?
3) @Naomi_Sweets - I agree with your points. If she's so concerned about her modeling career, then to me using her modeling pics in her ad would be more risky than being reviewed (under her hobby name). But she may have her own good reasons, I don't know.
By the way, she sent me another cell phone pic, which again looks very much like that model (without makeup). It's really hard to tell.
@crazyshit - Good idea. I will post in the regional board to ask around.
Sorry if these are too much details. I think it's quite an interesting case, and hopefully the discussion that follows would benefit hobbyists here. Thanks again.
You could send a lady friend to that address to do a little research.