Before I ask my question about this theoretical situation, I would ask that the replies contain as little flaming as possible. I know the risks, and I've had a vasectomy. I've got three wonderful kids, and I don't need more.

Since I've gone under the knife, I only have to be worried about STDs. If I were to get checked for diseases a very short time period before my encounter and prvide proof of my vasectomy, and she also got checked in a short period beforehand, what would be the harm?

I realize not many, if any SPs would be willing to put themselves through this extra hassle. But I personally hate the **** out of condoms, to me, I might as well not even bother doing anything. I engage in certain activities because I like the closeness you feel with that person. A condom ruins that.

That being said, I am kinda clueing myself into this lifestyle, and have no experience. With common sense and straight math, I am, indeed, playing russian ruellette.

So, could the above scenario be doable with minimal risk? I look forward to hearing from vets in the hobby.

Cheers.

Hey Zeon,

It's still a RISKY business.

It does NOT matter how RECENT the health checkups were before the session, most folks will NOT share their medical history with some stranger you just met. Certainly not me. The medical records will show the person's real name and their address. I don't want the provider to know that information UNLESS I share it with them and I have NEVER shared that in all my 12 years of hobbying.

Aside from that, there are a few STDs that I know of does take a few weeks or more to "manifest" itself into a full blown contagious disease. So, if you got checked the week prior and so did the provider... there's still NO guarantee that either one of you will be "disease-free".

I myself, hate condoms, too. I am sure that a number of guys will agree with you on that point, HOWEVER, it is VITAL that condoms be used in any hobbyist / provider situation... PERIOD. The cost of NOT protecting oneself is far greater than not wearing a condom, which are cheap to buy and can offer great satisfaction and that you have minimized the risk of STDs. NOTE: I did not say completely 100% prevented STDs, but minimized it.

Having said that, there are a few condoms that I use that are so thin that you hardly know it's there. Yes, you can feel almost everything as if you were not wearing a condom. Those condoms are a bit pricey, but in my line of reasoning, the high price does justify the cost of safety and a peace of mind.

Serpius

Ladies who will do BBFS with you (test papers or no) will do it with almost every single client who asks them. I was once closely acquainted with a few girls who offered BBFS for a variety of reasons (none of them educated, informed or sensible reasons, BTW), and they took zero precautions except for basically pseduo-scientific-superstitious ones (i.e. squirt spermicide up your hoo ha, it kills all germs, if a client doesn't smell or have green goo he is clean, etc.).

Maybe there are some ladies who only do BBFS with guys with recent test papers. But, tests are obsolete the minute someone sees a new girl or client. And, those papers can likely be faked very easily.

However, take your chances if that's what you are going to do...just understand that there isn't a safe way to go about it, sorry to tell you.

It's the closest thing to bbfs and more escorts are now using them. You can do a search on this board, to find threads on female condoms.

that will accommodate you.  As others have already stated, if she's BBFS with you...you better believe (no matter how much any gal will say "it's only you babe...you're the one and only"...she's doing it with everyone she sees.

So ask yourself...does my cum taste good to you?  And I won't be there to verify if I'm clean, and even then how the hell would you know...because I said so.

Be careful Zeon...

And please review these gals you see so I can make sure I don't.  Thanks in advance

Lets say you find a lady who agrees to do this - both of you get tested clean and not see anyone else before your encounter.

Considering it usually takes about 10 days to get the STD results, are you prepared to pay her what she has lost by not seeing anyone during that waiting time?

test papers aren't the answer.

As someone else mentioned, find a lady who is FCs friendly or at least willing to try them with you.

I just discovered the female condom and they are great!
I'm a newbie who has seen six providers in the past month and only two didn't know about them but readily agreed to use them.
I'd say the FC gives me about 85 percent the real feel of pussy.
The last two ladies I saw were both hot mid twenties gorgeous swim suit models and I actually had to pull out a few times so I wouldn't come too soon at age 50!
I'll never use a regular condom again.


 

Thank you all for your input. A few very valid points have been raised that I didn't think about, but that's why I asked.

And the female condom that keeps being talked about does't seem so bad. I will continue to do research, and I hope I haven't been blacklisted because of my curiosity. ^^U

I haven't tried them but from what I hear its as close to BB feeling you can get, many providers are open to use them as well.

BBBJ, Russian (bewtween the tits), Italian (on her ass crack) and even between her thighs all feel great.  Some gals even give incredible hand jobs.

Get a bottle of massage oil and have a ball.

(Arm pits can be fun too.)

I agree. As long as you have a computer, Word and a printer, the papers can be easily faked. And there is no way that you can call the actual office & verify that the name on those papers are in fact the lady(or gentlemen) in question, &  even if it was, you still cannot verify that they actually had ALL the test results done(doctor-patient confidentiality).  

Zeon85--

At no cost to you, I've spent years doing your research. Save the time.

Your idea to practice BBFS with neither partner having a condom is Russian  Roulette. Don't do it.
A number of people made good points, but aside from whether papers can be faked, etc. there are two main medical or ID (infectious disease principles) that make it Russian Roulette.

My recommendation to you is simple.  Put your research energy into finding either a thin condom you find acceptable, or if you reject this, then get a provider who is willing to use a female condom and knows how. And again, neither of them is near 100%.

First, while male and female condoms are very effective at reducing STDs, including the worst one, HIV, they aren't 100% and this has been born out in countless epidemiological studies in the medical literature including several by NIH and  CDC.  If you're going to practice BBFS, to be safe it needs to be done in a monogomous relationship for many months, where both partners have been thorougly tested because of their possible past history. Do people go home from bars or wherever and do it, sure. And they are at risk.

Your idea to test your prospective provider is frought with obstacles that have to do with the latency period of tests for HIV, Hepatitis B and C, and the other STDs.

Let's take HIV since it can kill people. The  latency periods of all  these diseases for detection even when there are symptoms, puts a fork in your proposal to test your perspective provider. Here's what I'm referring to:

There is a "window period" of seronegativity during which an infected person does not give a positive western blot HIV test or ELISA, even though the viral load is high and the patient may exhibit some symptoms. This seronegative period can last for six months before seroconversion although the latter usually occurs between one and four weeks after infection.

Hep B has a latency period for detection of 6 weeks to 6 months; and Hepatitis C has one from 4 weeks to 6 months.  60-80 % of patients with Hepatitis C go on to get chronic cirrhosis and fibrosis of the liver, and a smaller percent to be sure get hepatocellular carcinoma.

The porn film industry in California has yet to come to agreement with that state on mandatory condoms. In April, 1994 five people we know of died of HIV. This caused the state to quaranteen another 190 people for months until they could have several cycles of testing, and they didn't test them for every possible disease although they did cover HIV and Hepatitis A, B, C.  Actors who don't use condoms are at risk, and some have probably gotten and died from  HIV that few people know about.

I haven't posted this to rain on your parade, or to be grim.  You mentioned research, and it's been done, and I know the  literature. I am urging you to find a way to practice safe sex to enjoy it.

Good luck,

JeffEng16





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I appreciate your concern, but im not "like those people".

I'm trying to be sensible, and I'm not going to condemn someone just because of my dislike of a thin piece of latex.

Other than your accusation, you are right.

Thank you. You've obviously put a lot of time and effort into this, and your point is loud and clear.

I just hope that that point can be made to other people who aren't as curious as me.

"Sure, there are guys who do it, but they know they are playing a higher risk game and don't try to pretend otherwise."

Not all of them "know"
Many are delusional!

I agree with the rest of your comment

And if you find someone, please do not have sex again with your wife. She is an unwitting prospective victim if you knowingly have BBFS with a hooker who allows you and lord knows who ever else.

Papers can be faked on both sides.

Nice trick too, adding some text to the body after writing EOM in your subject line.