Hey guys,

Quick question here, I notice a lot of ads mentioning an envelope, So far I haven't been using one, but maybe I should...

Is this to be taken literally or just a cliché?

Put the donation in a plain white envelope and place it according to the ad.

Just do as she asks... makes life easier on everyone.  Sometimes I put a nice card in the envelope as well...

they are serious when they ask for an envelope - it helps avoid having cash flashing around should the door stay open longer than anticipated, or should an unannounced visitor(s) show up.

I like the card idea too, something for her to remember you next time!

I also have noticed a provider asking to not have an envelope, which was interesting. Obviously in that case i'm sure its best to follow instructions accordingly.

"The envelop please" and I just read a lady's web site, and it specifically said fan the gift on the table, so everyone has their own way of handling business.

Some ladies prefer NO envelope. They want to see the cash.

-tessen

Like the silly disclaimers on ads and code words like "bbbj" and "daty" that no one outside the hobby actually uses, the white envelope with money inside is just another sign to LE what you are really up to.

Getting stopped by a cop at a hotel with no luggage, no room key but carrying a envelope with a couple hundred dollars inside and a condom in your pocket is a sure signal to them what you are up to and you might be arrested. It's far less suspicious to keep that money in the wallet.

When you get to the room, there is no reason to pretend that you aren't there for what everyone knows you are there for. If it is a sting and the lady is with LE, you'll be arrested whether you have an envelope or not. Be discreet with your payment but forget the envelope. Likewise, I think the talk of "donations" or paying with "roses" or "kisses" is also ridiculous.

Envelope! I've had people forget the envelope and I hate just picking up a wad of cash-o-la- it just feels tacky- IMHO.

If her ad reads envolupe, I would do so...  kind of reassures her you can follow instructions & perhaps makes her more at ease that this will follow through to the rest of the meeting.

The donation needs to be separate from your other funds before you walk in the door.  If acceptable, I often use a paper clip on it.  I have it ready in my key pocket.
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I always put the donation in an envelope with a nice Thank You card, and if no envelope was requested, I will include a Thank You card and put the cash on top of the card envelope.

Remember, providers are people, and little things like that, will show them that we appreciate them, and we should.

I didn't say hand the cash to her. You can casually place the cash in plain view (on the nightstand, etc) and not make a big deal of it.

It's not that unlikely that cops hang out in hotel lobbies, at least around where I live. There at least a few newspaper articles that talk about busts where cops wait out in lobbies or in the parking lot of hotels where providers are suspected to be working in rooms. They look for well-dressed men who are alone, who carry no luggage, who drive nice cars with in-state plates, and who come and go within an hour or two. They confront them and threaten to arrest them (or actually do arrest them) and try to get them to testify against the provider they are visiting (or just visited). Obviously unless you are arrested you should never consent to being searched but if you are getting caught with an envelope with money on you is just one more piece of evidence that can be used against you.

Sure, some ladies prefer an envelope, and if they explicitly say they want it, go ahead and bring one, but it is a stupid tradition that gives the illusion of safety and discretion when in reality only in fact does the opposite. The "white envelope" has become so ubiquitous that you know what anyone who is carrying one is up to.

I forgot to bring a white envelope one time and used one from my hotel room. It worked just as well.

Don't know what area you live in but the hotels I use provide enough options for entry/exit that I do not worry about that.  I take reasonable precautions and it's never been close to being a problem.

Loose cash is not only an issue for LE. As was said it's to keep it out of sight from others also.

First time you meet a provider the less you disrupt the routine she expects the better.  She is worried as much or more than you are and even small things can throw things into a downward spin.

It's also one reason I prefer to date a few regulars.  Once we trust each other lots can be done to make arrests almost impossible.  I can pay them in advance by mail so no $ changes hands when we meet.  We can go to dinner first, give her a gift box with the$ as well as the gift inside and then she puts it in her car before we seperately go back to the hotel.

Being remembered is good.  Not only for next time but also if you want a ref from her later.

More than a security issue (I can't see the difference) I think it's about etiquette intercourse. Using an envelope seems to me a little bit more "classy" than not using it.
I like when I read on websites "leave it in the bathroom", so I don't see her at all. Anyway, I think the best thing is follow her advice.
Just a newbie's two cents

With a first meeting I leave the donation...  either with or without envolupe or not...  as she has directed.  
With Fav ladies, the transaction is less obivious...  though I did make a young lady I'd not seen in a while nervious with it.  I empty my pocket junk onto a convenient corner of her dresser.  Of course, the donation comes out with my keys.  My clothes go onto a provided chair right next to it.  Once redressed & replacing the pocket stuff, the donation is left behind, without comment & a second glance...  I step away.  In the back & forth to their bathroom/dressing, the donation silently disappears.  It's old school but I find it comforting.  
The young lady (previously mentioned) had seen the donation & scooped it while I was replacing my pocket junk, fearing I might try some sleazy sleight of hand.  
I would not have.  My biggest fear is I might forget...  & have to drive back to give it to her.
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It shows a lot about how a gent feels about the transaction as a whole. That IS what the real conversation is about, right? Thought so...

The whole of the money changing hands tends to dehumanize the experience for most men. Everything can go perfect on a date, but the thing that sticks out most is that you had to pay for it. Now your thoughts run to was the experience real or not. You set yourself up for failure making the donation your first line of thought. If you think about the lady first, the donation should be well worth it.  

I suggest cards, and for the most part I get them because no one wants to feel used. You feel like you've given a gift to someone who's worth it, and it's evident I'm warmly appreciative.

If a provider has an issue with me because I didn't use some stupid envelope, I don't want to see her any how.

Envelopes are no protection from LE, and as far as it "being tacky", I am there to be pleased, not to be an ass kissing mangina. I have been doing this for 36 years, and I can't remember ever having used an envelope, nor have I ever had a provider refuse me service because the cash wasn't in a stupid envelope.

Carrying a few hundred bucks in your pocket is hardly a suspicious practice. Truth be told, I would feel naked if I left the house without at a least a few hundred bucks for walking around money, this inspite of the fact that I use Credit Cards for most purchases.

So I was wondering, with an envelope, do providers prefer the cash inside be in $20s or $100 and $50. Or does it not matter?

I could see both sides of things, I think overall it comes down to a personal decision when no instructions are provided.

However with that said... Also how others have pointed out I see adding gifts/cards can come off as needy or submissive, which isn't really my style(maybe for a special occasion).

I personally think in most cases i'll go with the envelope I think it adds a touch of class but doesn't go over the top.

Out of curiosity I've asked a few providers after the fact.  General view is it doesn't matter.  Best answer is "mostly 100s with a few 20s in case I need to stop and buy something on the way home".  Sounded reasonable to me so that's what I usually do.

Thanx...

down a providers ass crack.

It didn't work and she was none too pleased.

I am a provider. It doesn't matter to me about the envelope. I leave it up to the client. For me, the experience isn't cheapened by the fact that he didn't bring an envelope. In fact I like seeing the money because I can at least gauge the amount to make sure it is accurate without being rude and counting it in front of him

I'm sure the tech exists to create sub-dermal mag stripe readers.

Envelope, no envelope...doesn't make an ounce of difference to me as long as the money is left.I'm with you GaG.

There ya go!!!

and the provider refuses it because it's not in a plain white envelope. rofl Not in this lifetime.

and I have been forgetting it ever since. It has worked out just as well also. lol

By the time I finish screening my dates, I feel comfortable enough not to piddle with the simple things. I could care less how the $$$ is presented to me, as long as it's within sight. As a matter of fact, many times we've had fun right in the midst of  $$$ on the bed!

I might just be the minority, concerning "no protocol." So, I would suggest you read her site thoroughly and follow instructions, if mentioned.

I like a nice card, but it's not expected. I do kinda agree with what someone above said, that it's easier to make sure the donation is right if it's not in an envelope. Even if we're in seperate rooms when I make sure the donation is correct, I hate having to rush to open the envelope and count the $.

I prefer bigger bills over a bunch of twenties. I'd rather have three $100 bills instead of all of the donation in $20 bills. It just takes up less space in my wallet. I've had busy days where every client pays with twenties, and I can't even snap my wallet shut! Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not complaining!

So a card and bigger bills make it quicker and easier for me to check the $. But as long as I get the proper donation I'm not gonna bitch about anything!

Thanks GaG...just blew coffee all over everything...