The reason why I posted yesterday about the whole "TER seems odd" thing..was that I can't believe how much reviewers pander to this "sorry guys VIP only for the rest of the story". THAT seems fake to me! I'm sorry!!

If you are going to write a review....don;t you just want to say 'hey..she's great..is what she appears to be on the website..etc".

Granted...I'm not a VIP and haven't seen the content of the VIP review portion....but I can pretty much assume it's a Penthouse forum version of their 'date'. And frankly, I'm not that interested in reading that part!!

Just tell me if the chick is legit, hot, pros/cons etc.

The titallating way the reviews are written to entice you to become a VIP seems totally disingenuous to me. Sorry. I am a cynic. I admit it. I think this industry is ALL about $$$$ and anwyay you can sucker another person into paying that VIP money....it will be done....including bogus reviews with penthouse forum descriptions.

Kick me out  of TER if you want. I half expect it now.

Of course it is. So what?

what was your first clue that this site, and this hobby, is not charity work?

TER controls the review process...you REALLY think they want you to know all the information you seek for free???

Tell you what, once you give a shot at writing a review, you can bitch about how others write reviews.  OK?  Keep being a cynic pal, that should serve you well in this world of illusion.  But really?  You think this business is all about making money?????  Shocking news!  LMAO!!

If you can find a better site then TER, then please enlighten us. (crickets chirping)
The review databank is the best in the Country, bar none. I like the way most of the reviews are written.
TER is a business. What do businesses exist for? To make money. If you think that's disingenuous then you must be from a third world country.
No one forces you to pay TER either.

You don't sound like a cynic, you sound like a spoiled brat who doesn't like the way things are run around here, and you want everything for free.
I seriously doubt that TER will kick you out over your little tirade, but feel free to exit the building.

Nobody is telling you to be a VIP member. But did you ever stop to think for a second that TER has an overhead? That they have high expenses in order to run the website? They have to charge its viewers somehow. Hey, they could have decided that no one could peruse the site unless they paid. Their business plan, however, is to charge for a VIP membership; where hobbyists can read the specifics of the session. If you are not interested in reading "Penthouse forum", then do not become a VIP member. You can certainly continue to peruse the boards and general sections of a review without joining. Nobody is forcing you to join. Make your determinations on whether to see a lady as you see fit.    
 
Wow, what a brilliant conclusion you came to do determine that the industry is all about money. What the heck did you think it was about? It's a hobby where you pay to play. For the most part hobbyists are not seeking life long intimate relationships; this is not E-harmony. We enjoy the company of "Ms. Right Now"; we are not seeking to find "Ms. Right".    

BTW, you are not really "in" TER, so I don't think anyone is going to waste their time trying to kick you out.

Well I can vouch that VIP is real and for most of us worth it, but then you would have no reason to beleive me anyway. The organization of the review is TER's but the information your missing is well woth it for me. I have seen providors reviews appear normal enough but in the details I find that she doesn't perform that well. I am into true GFE most of the time and that you will never see unless you get the details. I have seen providors that are ok and legit if all you want is release and they deserve the good numbers and general details to be good, only the details let you know what level of service you can look foward to. I was hesitant the first time I tried TER also, but I figured $20 wasn't too much of a risk for a month. After seeing my first reviewed lady and comparing my results I was soon a believer. If you don't want to spend $20 that's OK just don't bother to post a complaint if you spend $300 for a reviewed providor who does not do everything you wanted, the details were there to read.

missed my point "Asshole"...

I think the whole 'review' process is a scam.....and most , if not all, of the reviews are bogus. The providers might be real....and the services they perform legitimate...but this website is just another piece of the illusion. It is VERY clever. It's actually brilliant.

It would be fascinating to look at the man behind the curtain...I'm sure it would humbling/humiliating to most of the newbies etc...who believe so wholeheartedly in the myth being propogated here.

I think it's a brilliant business plan. I really do. I ALMOST signed up for VIP!!! And then the more inconsitencies I see...between the way the preamble to review is written...and the vast amount of MEANINGFUL AND SEEMINGLY GOOD advice is shared on the discussion boards.....the less I think the reviews themselves have validity. I think this website....TER..is a GREAT site because of the discussion boards and that banter. You can actually get a decent understanding of the 'do's and dont's'. I just think the reviews portion is a little suspect....that's all.

ok?

It's a free country. we are all free to drink the koolaid or not. I am not a TER hater..but I am not a disciple either.

We like to keep the newbie board a friendly place for all the new kids to get their feet (and often the 3rd leg) wet without the attacks of some of the more aggressive boards.

I reluctantly allowed this post, only because I can see who the alias is, and found it ironic that he was being picked on.

This aggressiveness needs to end here.  Angry red face for attention only, at this point.

That's a totally fair post curt23.

Especially if your experiences were shaped by or influenced by or mirrored your reading of the VIP section of the reviews.

I can see your point 100%.

I don't think you are the Newbie you claim to be either. I think you are playing games, but

This is the board where a little latitude can be given.

I'm not going to play your game and try to convince you to get VIP - your first bad experience will do that, BUT

I will point out that in your analysis that this is just a hold up for more money, you have not taken into account that VIP can be obtained through review contribution.  That VIP membership is no different than paid membership.

Further, providers who register with the site can get a limited free VIP membership that allows them all of the features except reading other providers' reviews.

You are on warning BTW.  Any more posts that further what I believe to be a game by you will be rejected.

tit for tat....he makes up a hateful alias....I used it in my response for effect (to prove a point about how unnecessary what HE did was). But I appreciate where you are coming from.

My apologies. Won't go there.

The reviews are what make the site worth visiting.

I am a newbie....just a more cynical one. And I am not playing games. I don't mean any disrespect to your organization or your business. No need to post this response.

I honestly see a disconnect between GREAT advice from members and how the reviews are written....and that bothers me...ok? That's all.

I always look one level deeper..and maybe that's not a good thing in this hobby. I will have to consider that before I take the plunge.

Honestly..I just wanna fuck some hot stranger ...just like the rest of us!! I just don't wanna get scammed or caught!!

Well Stan, I'm really new--you can look up all my posts and there aren't that many of them.  Some of them ask all the new guy questions, etc.  I figure the $20 for VIP saved me hundreds of dollars in bad dates, also possibly brushes with law enforcment.  Not to mention that I have the peace of mind that comes with knowing the ladies I've been with are under the radar and have their shit together. I think VIP's well worth it. In fact, ATM it's the main reason I'm staying.

he should withhold judgement on fully active (review writing) members.

Yes, it is a business.  TER needs money coming in to provide info to its users.  However, I think it is ill advised for someone looking for a free ride to attack the populace that has contributed to the database he wants to see for free.

I welcome him to see behind the curtain.  Pay admission like the rest of us, engage in information exchange via reviews, PMs, boards and THEN make a judgement.

I welcome him to join.  I do not welcome him calling us all part of a conspiracy to cheat him out of his chump change.  

I mean this to clarify, not to continue agression.  But it was an agressive post to begin with.

I agree with Curt. I feel all the great experiences that I have had in this hobby are directly attributed to TER and the reviews contained herein.(not sure if herein is proper, but I like the way it sounds.)

you come here looking for free information and then say stuff like "reviewers pander", "totally disingenuous",  and "bogus reviews".  You do that, you better expect the heat to be turned up.  You owe more than Phil an apology.

And the "asshole" in the alias refers to the alias itself, not you.  If you join and engage in the big boy battles, you will get the irony better.

Just don't go throwing mud at people who pay to be part of TER just because you don't like what you are getting for free.

Best wishes.

Did some one force you to log on this morning?  If you don't like it here just leave. We won't miss you.

I don't take too kindly to accusations that ALL the reviews are false.  Myself and MANY other providers have put forth major effort to ensure that our reviews are true, honest, and forthright and are an accurate description of a what a visit with us would be like.  

Trying to discount or discredit our efforts is a slap in the face to myself and all the rest of us.  

You've got the best gateway and guidance to the hobby right here in your lap and you choose to try to dishonor and discredit it instead because they want to you to pay 20 bucks.    

Your accusation are unfounded and un-appreciated.

Since I began using TER reviews as a research tool years ago, I've seen experienced a tremendous increase in the overall quality of the woman I've seen and the sessions I've had. Before, it was a roll of the dice.  Not any more.

Are some reviews fake?  Sure, but most are not.  And after a while, you can spot many of the fake ones.

Since you're not a VIP and haven't seen a number of girls based on their reviews, you have no basis for your wild claims. If you don't see the value of researching a lady you want to see, that's your loss.

Ok, how do you think TER would continue to be a viable site if no one actually PAYS for access? I'm pretty sure the staff that runs TER doesn't do it out of the kindness of their heart. They get paid for it, as they deserve. Your VIP membership fee is what pays their bills and keeps this site running. If the entire review was posted for everyone to read, there would be no incentive for you to pay for membership.

Think of it another way. From the information you shared about the lady you intend to see, she sounds like a winner. If TER's reviews didn't exist though, you would have no way of knowing that. You will spend between $$-$$$$ on your typical provider. TER membership costs $20 a month. A pretty small price to pay to ensure that you will get what you pay for when you go see the lady.

Final note, now that you've said you haven't read the entire review, I have to question your statement earlier about how great her reviews are. All you know is that she wasn't an oger when the reviewer first saw her, and his experience wasn't bad enough to be noted in the general details. You have no idea what her 'menu' is, you have no idea if she's a clock watcher, you have no idea if her skills are just so-so or if the guy was begging "no mas, no mas my goddess" by the end of his visit. That information can generally only be found in the juicy details and in the services offered section, which are blocked from you.

Maybe you should keep reading a little more on this board before you draw any more conclusions. The reviewers aren't getting paid for the reviews they write, but the staff of TER are certainly entitled to expect you to pay for access to their site. I honestly don't understand what your objection is.

Case in point - I only have 6 reviews but each and EVERY one of them is my little recap of the experience as I remember it.
Do you REALLY think that there's some small group of people that wrote over 615,000 reviews????

But then again you probably don't believe that number either...

Oh ye of little faith.

C_K

I most likely would not see a lady,if i didn't have accsess to the VIP portion.The top portion of the review just doesn't give enough info,for me to be comfortable with the lady.It's after i read the review it's self and i rely on the info from guys who have seen several ladies.I will even PM them to make sure everything is legit!
I say,the more info,the better! Hell,it's only,what,$20.00/month.IMHO,,all TER is trying to do,is make what we do,,safer and more enjoyable.To do that,,,it cost money,but it's worth it!

What makes you think the info on the boards is GREAT and the reviews are questionable? Could be the other way around.

Plus, the stan reference makes me believe he is someone who has been around for a while.  I might be wrong, but I doubt it.  DC seems to have caught on to him already too.

I don't need to be a Rhodes scholar to figure out what the VIP section says. When the lead in is glowing....and the broad I want to fuck has nothing but good lead-ins...I don't need to see the sordid details. I mean....what am I going to get from :

'she sucked this" "i licked that" ""then we mished"...yawnn....we all know what fucking and sucking is....I don't need a fucking play-by-play. Just tell me if the chick is hot (as shown in her website/pics) and if the overall experience was good or bad. You pretty much get that from the 'free' stuff. Unless of course THAT part is bullshit...which would just further my argument, btw.

It has nothing to do with paying a lousy 20 bucks.

The passion for this site and the hobby is admirable. It MUST be addictive for this level of sentiment.

A LOT of us have been bitching about how TER has allowed less and less info to been seen by non-VIPs.  I had a review not accepted because I put in that area she did BBBJ.  After seeing your attitude on this thread, I am GLAD they are keeping stuff away from you.  

If it is a "lousy 20 bucks" then either pay it of STFU and go with what you CLEARLY already know.  Afterall, you know EVERYTHING, including how hundreds of us have conspired to "scam" you out of your "lousy 20 bucks".

Why the hell any of us would want to help you at this point I have no clue.  

Yes, it is all a scam, all the ladies work for LE.  Stay away.  FAR AWAY!!!!!

What exactly qualifies you to even have an opinion about the reviews?  The answer is nothing!  You complain about a disconnect between the advice given on the boards and THE FIRST PARAGRAPH of reviews. Yes, TER has designed the review process as a revenue generating vehicle. And? No where is it stated that this board exists as a not-for-profit charitable organization.

I have 46 reviews. I fucked 46 different women and wrote about it. There is nothing fake about any of them.  If you are too cheap to pay for VIP that's your business but your imagination is working over time here on a conspiracy that simply doesn't exist.

I pay for my VIP. It's only $20 a month. Even over the course of a year, that's less than I pay for my average single session.

And, in exchange, I get to exchange PMs with people (my inbox and outbox have HUNDREDS so I'm getting my money's worth!), I get to look at and read reviews, participate in ter chat, etc etc etc.

For $20 I think it's a good deal.

If $20 is gonna break the bank, you should reconsider hobbying altogether. It can get kinda pricey. LOL

And -- SHOW ME the reviews that sound like penthouse forum.