Ok.  I'm no newbie, although I'm finally getting around to not going solo in the hobby and have signed up on TER and will be getting on RS2K this week.  I've gone through all the 'good way to get busted' routines.  Picking up a girl on the corner, ordering one from the yellowpages or Vegas flyers, went to a legal brothel(ok, that one won't get you busted), AMP, and most recently Craigs List ads.

With the recent rash of LE attacking I figured I'd better start playing smart and go to more established providers, but I'm having a hard time with the rates that are on their sites.  With the fact that you DON'T discuss rates with a girl and that a provider will NOT put blatantly on the site that X money gets you X service.  Can I be reasonably sure that when I get a girl to come out and leave the 'gift' envelope out as instructed, that I will be entitled to services that were vaguely referred to on a website.  I figure most providers that are well reviewed probably deliver on what is implied, but I see some 22 year old model type advertising for $400 an hour, then turn on the TV and see a similar type girl busted for 'dating' an elected official for $2000 an hour.  I'm just looking to fill in the blanks without putting anyone in a bad place legally.  I'm just looking for an 'opinion' from those of your more versed in the 'legit' way of meeting a girl.

Thanks,
SMEGMA!!

PS.  This paranoia comes about because of a past experience in Vegas where the provider came out, got paid the fee and after removing SOME clothing started talking about additional services for additional fees.  Of course this was my first experience....so I just coughed up more money...but I'd like to think I am older and wiser now and would like to be as informed as possible.

May I recommend VIP membership.

I knew you would say that.  Can I take it that those subjects are explicity discussed there, or more implied facts (granted most implied facts are probably close to true if not true)?

Thanks,
SMEGMA!!

Become VIP here and do research. I'd recommend only seeing well-reviewed ladies. If you do that, odds are very good that you will have a great experience.  Ladies aren't going to be specific on their websites, emails, or phone conversations, so it would be wise to see ladies with lots of reviews so you will have a good idea of what your session will be like.  Of course, YMMV but at least you will have a general idea of what you can expect.

in a very short time.  If the lady has multiple good reviews on this site by established reviewers (click on the reviewer to see his list of reviews written), then you have a very high probability of avoiding an upsell or ripoff.

This site is very different from the others because it is a review and information site first, with marketing taking a back seat.  Sure there are times with BS and wrong info gets through, but the site is extremely good at self correcting.

Buy a VIP so that you can read the good stuff, do your research, and stay away from the street corners.

Not a good idea to try to negotiate because these ladies are a very large cut above the typical CL types.  Just expect to get a great service for the price if she is well reviewed.

Good Luck




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As others have said, the value here is in doing your homework and reading the reviews, you will find the answers to all your questions there. This is first and foremost a Review Board, you will find the good, the bad and the ugly. Contrary to what others may say, in the reviews you will find all types of ladies who advertise everywhere from Eros to CL and everything in between.

With all the above being said, I am VERY disappointed in returning to the so called "hobby", and becoming a VIP member here again, that the 3 ladies I have seen since rejoining were all "fakes".

Even though all were good looking, fine providers, NONE of them were the girls in their pictures. I asked all 3 point blank if the pictures were real, they said yes, their profiles and reviews said yes, and none of them were!

They also told me that about 1/2 of their reviews were fake. All of them had at least several reviews over a span of time.

One I had seen 3 years ago, so I knew her well.

IMHO, TER has gone downhill!

Did you post your own reviews?  Did you inform TER of their/your suspicions?  Did inform others of your experience?

All of the info on TER is client driven.  You can either contribute and help make things better, or you can complain, and help no one.

I see you have not taken the time to write a review on any of them, that is sad, it is called 'giving back to the community'.  

I did notice you did not exactly say these were well reviewed ladies, I would have a hard time understanding that, would be one of the biggest mysteries on TER. However, in my post I was trying to tackfully comment on what someone else said about TER ladies being a 'far cut above the CL type'. A statement like that is pure bullshit and those who believe that will get burnt just like you claim. This is a Review Board and ladies of all types and walks of life are here, and a large percentage of ladies and hobbyists here use CL, at least from time to time. That is not bullshit, that is just the truth.

That being said, if you honestly had 3 experiences like that then sit down and write the reviews. But to just come on here whinning without contributing is sad.

I believe that if you read my post again, I specifically said that the ladies were a far cut above the "typical" CL types.  In my area, the typical CL types are the ones just one step off of the street.  

I also stated throughout the post that the OP should concentrate on well reviewed providers. Again, in my area, the vast majority of CL providers are not well reviewed, if reviewed at all.

I know very well that some of the TER reviewed providers advertise on CL, but those ads also almost always mention that they are TER reviewed, which takes them up a notch from the "typical" CL providers who do not have reviews to back them.

CL has its uses, and I firmly believe and agree that experienced hobbyists are usually equipped to cut through the BS, LE traps, and Ripoffs to find great providers.  But a Newbie is not, and I hope you will agree with that. This is the Newbie board, so I usually tailor my posts to opinions and advice directed towards Newbies, not the Hobby in general.

Just because I may make a negative comment about CL here, it does not make it "pure bullshit."  Of course there are ripoffs and B&S providers on TER, there's a whole section devoted to them as a service to us; but, and I'll say it again, (as you alluded to above) that if the provider is WELL REVIEWED, then there is a high probability that she is safe for a newbie to approach.

My "pure bullshit" statement about the negotiation was simply a way of advising him not to try to negotiate with the WELL REVIEWED ladies on TER because they don't run "lollipop specials," 15 min sessions, car dates, or any of the other types of deals that the "typical" CL provider will run.  I would hope that it is presumed that a newbie getting advice on this board will actually follow that advice and research, identify, and approach only well reviewed ladies on TER for their first several encounters.  I would ask you if you think a newbie should try to negotiate the price with one of these ladies the first time out, and if he did, what do you think the result would be?

If you disagree with my opinion, not only is it fine, but I welcome it because this would be a very boring forum indeed if there was no healthy disagreement.  But just because you disagree, does not make my opinion "pure bullshit."

I would hazard to guess that a very large number of TER members agree with me that Newbies should avoid CL like the plague when starting out.  It's not an attack on CL, nor a criticism of those TER providers who advertise on CL, it's just good advice for Newbies.

Good luck

Hey sweetie it's not you that they are posting about but pokerjeff and his statements about fake pics and untrue reviews.

I'm sure some phony reviews get past the team here. If everyone wrote a review if something was wrong this would not be a problem. By the way Jeff, I to wonder where your reviews of these ladies are. I always thought you guys stuck together in this matter and made sure a fellow hobbiest didn't get the old bate and switch or any other rip off.

Now to our fairly new but a little experienced gentlemen in LasVegas do read all of the review to get the best picture of the ladies you would like to see. Do remember what is a beauty to one man is a dog to another. I am a more mature lady and just love having someone tell me how beautiful I am. Who am I to judge his eyesight!

Remember the more reviews the better. You can shop till you drop anywhere on the web, look at all those beautiful pics and go ahead and check out CL. Now with notes in hand come back to TER and do your home work. Be sure to check phonenumbers and not names. So many ladies go by the same name but each has one phonenumber distinct to them.

Kisses Haley

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"TER has gone downhill!"

I've only been a member for four months.  But if what you say is true, it's because of people like you.  You got ripped off because the last gentlemen to meet those ladies failed to write reviews.  Stop being part of the problem.  Write those reviews and report that those ladies told you they faked their own reviews.  

As a newbie, IMHO TER is a great resource if used properly.  Their is a lot of great advice here.

After difficulty getting started, I have seen three providers in the last couple of weeks.

All of them were the ladies in their pictures.  All of my experiences were very similar, almost matching exactly, to what was written in their reviews.  All of my experiences were very enjoyable.

Of course all of them had at least 2 pages of reviews.  All of them had reviews from reviewers who had done multiple reviews.  All of them had recent reviews.

The only reason I did not post reviews is that when I asked, all 3 said they did not particularly care for or need another review.  If you think about it, if a lady is an established provider and sees several gentleman in a week, does she really want all of them to post a review?


Since my review would have added little to the information about these ladies and their current reviews were accurate, I decided not to post a review.  If my experience had been different than what was stated about the lady, I would have felt obligated to offer that information.

But the fact that you specifically said that the ladies were a far cut above the 'typical' CL types is exactly what I was referring to, not your entire post. I really disagree when people keep trying to put labels on providers, like she is a TER provider and this one is a CL provider, hell in many cases they are one and the same person. Also, you are not comparing apples with apples, CL is an ad site, TER is a Review Board of ALL ad sites. Plus, the gentleman whom you made your post to starts out by making it clear he is not a Newbie, just new to TER. Besides, even if he was a Newbie, looking at ads on whatever ad site and checking for reviews is not exactly rocket science, anyone with half a brain can do that.

Now the gentleman I was talking to claims he is very dissapointed in that he saw 3 TER ladies and they were all a poor experience. I dare say he probably did not read their reviews, he probably just assumed since they were on TER that they were a far cut above the typical CL type, which again is a very poor assumption on anyone's part. You gotta read the reviews.

Yes, your right there wildturkey! I too advertise anywhere I can and do place ads on CraigsList. It's free so how cost effective is that. I too have to do my research as the hobbiest does. My price is the same there as in any other ad I place. Great ladies are on CL, BackPage, Eros, Cityvibe and so many other places.

TER is a place to add your comments to all the other ones already here. TER is not a labor union for providers nor is a a club were all members are approved. It is a dumping grounds for those to place their personal views and it's up to you to deside what you want to believe as factual and what you want to avoid.

Ooops! this might be a form of advertising itself and you don't have to be a VIP to post. How free is that?
   
Kisses Haley

Kisses Haley

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You might want to think twice about asking or discussing a review with a provider before it is written... for several reasons. Also, if a lady is an established provider she very likely does not see several new hobbyists a week and if she did, probably only about 2 out of 10 would be members who even write reviews. It is always nice to get a fresh opinion on the service of a provider, that is what this board is all about.

I'm available for dinner.

And you Pretty Lady are loooooking real good for dessert.


Thank You
2008=27

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the extra $20 to get VIP.  You can do a more detailed search, read the "juicy details in reviews", as well as send and receive PM's.  Specifically, if you want, you can PM somebody who reviewed the lady you are interested in to get more information or ask a question.

If you see well-reviewed ladies (minimum 5 or 6 reviews) who have been reviewed by well establishe hobbyists (guys will multiple reviews over time), you will greatly minimize your chances of a problem.  You want ladies who are "all inclusive" rather than ones that upsell--this should be clear when you read several of her reviews.  Hobby safe.

on where to start the search process. I fully agree that TER is a review site about all ad sites, but I think that Newbies should start with the "search reviews" function in their area to find the providers for their first encounters.  That way, they can back into the ad sites from the profile pages of the well reviewed providers.  

Since we all advise that they should only see well reviewed providers, it only goes to reason that if they start with the ad sites, they should ultimately end up here to check out the provider.  My point is why not start here instead of wading through the chaff to get here eventually anyway.  Whether the ad site eventually becomes an eros, cityvibe, or CL link doesn't really matter as long as the reviews are sufficient.

I wish I had this site when I started 25 years ago, because I would have avoided some very painful experiences, and although I learned from them, I definitely would like to have skipped them entirely.  I have not had a bad experience since I've found TER, and I personally begin each search here rather than the ad sites.  I understand that each person has their own preference, and others may very well like to start with the ad sites first and verify with TER, but I still believe that Newbies should start here.

Good luck

Like I said from the 1st reply, I figured you say that.  I had planned on going VIP, but I don't really need ALL the juicy details (I have to get up from the PC sometime), but was more concerned about the ratio of medium to well reviewed ladies that might be bait and switch.  I tend to believe that exact price for exact service is very YMMV and might depend on a provider's financial situation that week more than anything so an exact number is not what I'm looking for....just a general idea.

That having been said, I will probably hook up the VIP next week, but I'm waiting to get a new credit card for just such a purpose....it's registered under just my name and at another address....with paperless statements for a much thinner trail.

SMEGMA!!

Just how could all three ladies that you have seen since "rejoining" the hobby be fakes if one of them was a lady that you had seen three years ago?

Sure sounds like you are holding an off suited two-seven to me.

I'm guessing you are only reading selective parts of what I said.

First - again - all 3 were VERY well reviewed (I screen 8 to 10).

Second - I said all of them were fine (I'd say 7's) - just NOT the people they claimed to be.

Third - one is quitting, so no point in reviewing. Last time I tried to post reviews (3 years ago) they never were put up!

Not sure why you all got upset - don't think I said anything very unruly here!

In regards to quit crying - I wasn't.

I said they told me about 1/2 of their reviews were fake or written by friends - NOT ALL.

Since they each have over 10 reviews - that would still leave 5 "real" reviews from all of you valiant soldiers that don't lie. Didn't they look at their pics?

Good planning Smegma.  When the ecconomics are not working in a lady's favor (i.e. business is slow), sometimes lady's will offer a "special".  Specials are either a lower price or extra time for the same $$$.  In other words, the lady will offer 2 hours for her normal 90 minute rate.

Nope, it is just a name I've used for years.  I think the first time I used the 'Smegma' name was back in 7th grade playing D&D (if you don't know what that is, you are probably 25 or so) and we just picked it as a good charecter name for a slimey thief-type guy after having been in a health class.  I could just as easily been 'Sphincter Jones'....an equally funny word to a 12 year old.

But I will have to say, the first few posts I ever put up somewhere using that name causes the same question to be asked, and that's over 20 years of using it.

Thanks for asking!
SMEGMA!!