and I carry personal wipes in my vehicle or a baggie in a pocket.  I want to be cleaner than I can get any other way.

I have absolutely no problem with a provider asking me to shower (freshen up) in her bathroom before we get down to business.  I totally understand it.  However, in all fairness, I don't think the time it takes for me to freshen up should be deducted from my session.  If she is going to ask me to freshen up, I think the session should begin AFTER I freshen up.

So, on to my question, the next time a provider asks me to freshen up, would it be tacky of me to kindly ask her that the session begins AFTER I come out of the bathroom?  I think this is only fair, but at the same time, I want to follow proper etiquette.

At least in my opinion.  First of all, the session begins when you enter her room and drop the envelope.  Second, she's not talking about much of a shower.  If you showered beforehand and haven't gotten all sweated up, all she wants you do do is "a quick rinse," meaning wash your torso with emphasis on your package and ass.  It won't even take five minutes.  And, if you've done your homework and are seeing a quality girl, you already have some idea if she's a clock-watcher.  Assuming that's not the case, your session could easily stretch a few minutes over if you've been getting along well.  
That's the way it's been with the ladies I've seen.  Some will even say on their site a shower's mandatory.  The most innovative approach to this was a gal who'd just gone indy.  Her $300 sessions were for 70 minutes with a mandatory shower.

and you won't miss a second of that hour you paid for.

If not, a quick freshen up shower is sufficient if you've already showered prior to coming to see her.

under any obligation to see you at all when you arrive, or you can have the time deducted. I personally do not deduct the time but many women do because they feel it's on the guy to be clean in the first place. If you can't take a shower an hour before, don't see providers during your work day or right after. Really, I understand that suggestion is impossible for most guys, but other women don't much care. They will not see you if you show up and are not freshly showered, and will deduct it from your time.

As for asking the provider to join you when she probably just took a bath and spent two hours on getting ready, I would not do it lol. I see at most 2 clients a day and I will not mess up my hair and freshly done face by getting in a shower to appease someone who can't do it himself before he arrives. I will simply NOT deduct from his date the time it takes to do so, but don't expect to spend 20 min. in there and then ANOTHER 20 min. after we are done...that is a bit much.

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London, what you said is reasonable. However, how in the world can I prove to the gal how soon I took a shower before I get to her incall location?   Seriously, how do I do this?  And yes, I do take showers before my incall, usually about one to two hours before. I've never had a problem with body odor, and she asked me to take a shower immediately after I got there. It wasn't as if she took the time to smell me. LOL! From what I know, and from the reviews I've read, I'm thinking this provider does this with all of her clients.    

I also don't mean to give the impression that every provider has asked me to freshen up.  One one has.

I'm 6'1" and weigh 250 pounds. I don't care if I took a shower 20 minutes before I arrived, I would still request a freshen up if it were not explicitly offered. I do not want to offend any lady I'm with, so even though I may have driven over in an air conditioned car, I would take no chances.

the preview bj in the shower is always a lot of fun.  And they'll even scrub you down and maybe a little rimming for you in the shower.

regardless of how long ago it was you took a shower. Some guys can have a smelly ass just in the 20 min. it takes to drive over there and from sweating on the walk to the room. Just depends on the guy I would guess.

you need to wash your privates after doing so...I sure as hell do. I am ocd about that stuff. I know very few men who will take a baby wipe and use it for the tip after they pee for fear of ridicule, but guess what....the guys mocking you are not the ones having to suck you off lol. Just shaking off pee pee dots and sticking it back in your boxers where the remaining urine rubs on your balls, is not a nice smell...just saying.

I carry flushable wipes in a ziplock in my pants pocket, or in the center console in the car for precisely this reason. I'm 50 years old. I don't give the slightest FUCK who criticizes me for that. If nothing else, I have respect enough for my wife that if she wants to grab my cock and start sucking it while we're driving down the highway I know that it's clean.

No guy wants to eat a pussy that smells like old piss, and no woman wants to suck off a cock that stinks, either.

Just sayin'. And the haters can fuck off.

First of all, I doubt I stink, and this is for a lot of reasons. And as I said, from her reviews, I think she has all of her clients do this.  Your response makes it out as if I'm abandoning my responsibility to be clean before my appointment, and this is not the case. Before every appointment, I shower, shave, brush my teeth, use mouthwash and more.  You almost make it out as I'm coming hot and sweaty with alcohol on my breath.   It doesn't address the real situation.

Again, I have no problem with being asked to take a shower. I just don't think it should be deducted from my time and I respect you for not deducting it from your clients' time. Maybe I'll see you when you're in my neck of the woods.

A two or three minute shower at the start the session (yes, after the clock starts) equals a good time.  Refusing to take one will most likely lead to a serious reduction in services or, in extreme cases, being shown the front door.

If you've already showered and cleaned up at home, you'll be in and out of the bathroom in just a few minutes. I've take showers many many times when I get to a ladies incall. I have NEVER felt rushed or shorted on time because of the shower. If you're that worried about loosing a few minutes with a provider, maybe you shouldn't be hobbying.

Pick your providers careful, read the reviews, look for providers who are not clock watches or finish sessions early. If you start quibbling over a few minutes here and there, you're going to get a bad reputation with providers.

What's the worry, are you looking for msog? If not, you shouldn't have any problems enjoying yourself, if you're booking an hour. And if you're that worried book her for 90 minutes.  This ain't rocket science.

And always remember the girls make all the rules, if you don't like her rules, than move on and find someone else.

Jack, don't worry about 3-5 minutes, just choose a no-rush provider and you'll be satisfied.

it really depends if you are a SWEATHOG or not..come on guys..you know who you are..

It depends how a girl schedules. If she's low-volume, she has no reason to begrudge you a few extra minutes here or there. With higher-volume and agency girls, expect to be dressed and on your way by 59:59, since there might be another person waiting to come up (!). So, if it means a lot to you that you are not penalized for shower time, choose your provider wisely.

I can only speak from my experience however there are others that hobby that have concurred with me.
1. I have never been sent "home" having only 55 minutes of action because my shower took 5 minutes. (or 50 minutes of action because the shower was 10 minutes)
2. I have never had a provider decline taking a shower with me when I asked upon arrival.
3. I see a lot of agency providers and they have given the same leeway on shower time as the independents. (Never had an agency one hour session that wasn't actually about 70 minutes including shower before and after the fun and dressing to leave.)

I never assume that I will be given extra time for the shower. The provider has usually said something to the effect of don't hurry. I haven't been refused a return visit either.

I am respectful of her having prepared hair and make-up but to date none have said no to my shower together request when it was an impromptu.

I am aware that not all agencies are created equal but I have received excellent non-rushed service from the ones I employ.

I am referring here to first sessions with providers I don't know before walking in the door for the first time. Though I have almost always at least communicated by PM and read board posts so it's not completely a cold visit.

The thing is don't go in acting like that's the way it should be. Always go in expecting that Yes, the shower is part of your time. If she says no when you request an impromptu shower together No big deal.

She will appreciate your attitude and likely on return visits since you have shown you are not one who takes advantage then she will give a few minutes here and there. Remember never take unfair advantage of that.

As a previous poster stated it's her time too and she sets the guidelines. You have to go with the way she wants it. If you find she is a to the minute clock watcher and you don't want that then don't see her again.

I said all that because as usual many gave other pertinent information to you while addressing your question. All were trying to be helpful. I don't think London was especially bashing you with her response but just figured it was once again a good opportunity to make the point about always be fresh and clean.

I too keep wipes in my care and use them. I do make sure to shower as soon as I arrive because it's a good thing to do and it shows you respect her.

To specifically answer your question if we are going to keep saying that we pay for her time then yes, the shower time counts. There are some ladies that will stick to that. As I said, so far I haven't found one.

For a first visit it is about setting a comfort level for the provider. After that first visit the two of you can work things out based on how well you clicked and the level of comfort you establish with each other.

My experiences varied. With lesser-known and less busy agencies, there was a half-hour or more scheduled between appointments. However, with one in particular (which has the best reputation, btw), we had NO time in between. It was a very popular and busy agency.  

The agency assumed that we'd be done in an hour on the dot, and in some cases, tried to hurry us even faster than that. But, time flies when you're having fun, and a lot of guys didn't even realize theirs was up ten minutes past. That threw a wrench into our schedule. Girls dealt with this in different ways. A friend of mine would be completely blunt and say, "You really need to leave, someone is waiting." I tried to gently prod them out without having them feel that I was doing so. But as they'd be dressing and chatting without a care in the world, I'd feel super-stressed and anxious inside. Anyway, that's a look at what might (or might not) be going on behind the scenes with an agency girl.  

On your other points I agree 100%. No client should ever assume that it's OK to go over time; however, it is very bad business for any indy or agency girl to be a stickler about it. And girls who have a good attitude about their work wouldn't want to be a stickler, anyway.

If you are seeing a girl for the first time, say you will take a shower when you arrive. This removes all the awkwardness and worrying about whether you are a clean person or not. Now when you repeat, you can ignore this step since she trusts you are a clean person...

Hey everyone, thanks for all the responses.  They have been very helpful and it has given me a better perspective on this matter.

Yes, you have to do it.  Yes, it's tacky to ask.  Just get in the freakin' shower and don't worry about it.  I always shower before I leave for a date.  Even if she doesn't ask upon my arrival, if it's hot out I'll say, "I showered before I left but if it would make you more comfortable, I'll take a quick rinse."

I'll be 50 in 4 months....about a year ago I started keeping flushable wipes at home and in my desk at work.  Good idea keeping some in the car...I'll start keeping some there too.

Like y'all have said....cleanliness is nothing to be ashamed about.  I wouldn't have an issue with a provider asking me to take a 5 minute shower even though I probably just had one an hour earlier.  If it makes her more comfortable, it'll make for a better session.

Some providers insist on a shower when you arrive and I get that, but no I do NOT think is should be deducted from your time unless it is something you are sharing together. If she is not in there "with" you, I don't feel it's part of the date, but that is just me. Other women can do what they want lol.

and I might just have to send a few civie guys to TER lol.

I ask for a shower almost immediately upon entry to ease her mind and not make her have to ask. In my last adventure the provider took a shower between rounds, I asked to join her and she said no she would be out in a minute she was just rinsing her body and not gettting her hair wet. I then took that as a signal she is obsessive about being clean and took another myself. It guaranteed a good time. Previously I had read a review where the guy didn't take a shower and had a miserable time. His last line in his review was "take the damned shower". LOL. She didn't add time to the end but a great time was had. You can't worry about 4 minutes

hater's gon' hate.