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"Shannon" was easy enough to find, based on his info, and she
perfectstorm 19 Reviews 121 reads
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is definitely too good to be true.

livingfreak1387 reads

I saw this provider online who claims to be "independent" but the number that's included in the ad is the same one that is used in multiple ads for many different women. They make no claims of belonging to any kind of Agency so it almost seems like its false advertising at the very least, or possibly a bait & switch at the most. Since I am a relative novice at this, I would like to defer to the experts for advice. Should I call this person? Is outcall preferable in instances like this or should I go with someone else entirely?

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Posted By: livingfreak
I saw this provider online who claims to be "independent" but the number that's included in the ad is the same one that is used in multiple ads for many different women.
Not a lot of info to go on, but if a bunch of indies all use the same booker or Assistant, then that could explain the common number.  
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Then, there are some "agencies" that are less agencies and more booking agents. They maintain a website, have pics of the girls, etc., etc., but the girls are very indy.
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Nevertheless, a phone call and some pointed questions could help to determine what's going on, but maybe not something for a newbie to bother with.
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The most common reply to an inquiry like yours does not address your specific Q but rather goes something like: Why even bother playing with fire? Find a well reviewed provider with a history of good reviews whose business model (indy, agency) is clear from her ads and reviewers.

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livingfreak119 reads

Okay thanks for your help. I think I will get a list of questions together but I will try to be as polite and non explicit as possible. I'd rather not throw caution into the wind, but I'm not in a financial position to afford some of the top shelf providers who are reviewed here either. At the very least I'll try to look up more info on this provider and see if its worth pursuing.

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perfectstorm122 reads

As impposter said, it is possibly a booker or assistant's phone number.

However there are a ton of bad reasons for multiple ads having the same phone number. Pimps, scams, bait and switch, etc.  

I would just move on.

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livingfreak131 reads

Okay. but just to clarify, from what I have seen, this phone number seems to be shared among 3-4 different women so it's not like a huge operation with an agency running hundreds of providers all over the city of Chicago. At first I thought it may be operated out of a hotel suite that's being rented by a bunch of young professional women looking to make an extra buck, but I've been doing some digging and these women haven't been reviewed either on here or anywhere else.
If you want the number it's (312)785-0042 and you can run a google search on that. I'm not even sure if these girls are using fake pics so an extra set of eyes would be extremely helpful.

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perfectstorm123 reads

Searching the phone mumbervyou posted, I find nothing. However a number very slightly different produced several Provider ads. Is your phone number a typo?

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livingfreak138 reads

Sorry it looks like I can't post the ad. the correct number is (312)785-0422 and the provider's name is "Shannon"

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perfectstorm134 reads

These ads scream fake, TGTBT.

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impposter141 reads

Posted By: livingfreak
I've been doing some digging and these women haven't been reviewed either on here or anywhere else. ... I'm not even sure if these girls are using fake pics so an extra set of eyes would be extremely helpful.
Wake up and smell the coffee! NO REVIEWS! MIGHT BE FAKE PICS! ZERO VALIDATION! Claims of indy but sharing a number!  
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Red alert! Red alert! Forget about Shannon and find someone that you can verify via TER, P411 or otherwise!  
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You've done the research. Now you're ignoring your own results!

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2648667118 reads

I didn't see Shannon, but the women I did find in Chicago associated with that number look TGTBT to me.  

Also most, if not all, of the pics are mirrored or cropped or otherwise fucked around with. I know I sure as hell wouldn't mess with it. But that's just me.

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perfectstorm122 reads

is definitely too good to be true.

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2648667136 reads

I didn't go looking for her, per se. He said there were others so I just went after that phone number and stopped once I saw all I needed to see. Elizabeth is as well. LoL.

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harborview117 reads

If it's TGTBT it probably is.   There are sites to image search.  If the mages pop on ads all over, they are stolen.  Even low budget providers get reviewed on TER pretty quickly.  

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livingfreak125 reads

Posted By: harborview
Re: You are learning valueable lessons
If it's TGTBT it probably is.   There are sites to image search.  If the mages pop on ads all over, they are stolen.  Even low budget providers get reviewed on TER pretty quickly.  
Hey,  lets not all gang up on the new guy, alright? Remember the whole reason I pitched my question in the first place was because I was erring on the side of caution. And now I'm glad to see that my original caution was justified. So thanks for your help, everyone.  

But next time, don't treat me like I don't know my ass from my elbow. I've been both a VIP and a basic member of this site for around 6 years now so this isn't my first rodeo. I'm just not like some of the guys here who do this thing on a monthly basis. The only reason I asked for help was because I needed an extra set of eyes.

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harborview115 reads

NOT ganging up at all.  Just pointing out the lessons to be learned...  not just for the OP but all the otherswho seek to learn here.  
The points are TGTBT probably IS
Image search.

Posted By: livingfreak
Re: You are learning valueable lessons
Posted By: harborview
Re: You are learning valueable lessons  
 If it's TGTBT it probably is.   There are sites to image search.  If the mages pop on ads all over, they are stolen.  Even low budget providers get reviewed on TER pretty quickly.  
Hey,  lets not all gang up on the new guy, alright? Remember the whole reason I pitched my question in the first place was because I was erring on the side of caution. And now I'm glad to see that my original caution was justified. So thanks for your help, everyone.  
   
 But next time, don't treat me like I don't know my ass from my elbow. I've been both a VIP and a basic member of this site for around 6 years now so this isn't my first rodeo. I'm just not like some of the guys here who do this thing on a monthly basis. The only reason I asked for help was because I needed an extra set of eyes.

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livingfreak109 reads

So I came across another ad that had the "It's me or its free" line that I have seen almost everywhere. I've always been curious about statements like that. On the surface, it seems like a pretty bold claim. A provider is basically staking their entire reputation on their word, and simultaneously is hedging their bets that now customers will have to flock to them, because who in their right mind would say such a thing and lie about it? But is that really all it is? One of the biggest bald faced lies in the industry that is just for driving up turnout? is it an LE tactic?

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perfectstorm130 reads

Her ad said "'100% me or it's free" so I booked an appointment and when I showed up it was not the girl in the photos, so I called her out on it, and she gave me a free session..." LOL. That is obviously not going to happen.  

I imagine that the first few ads years ago, that had that phrase was from real providers using their real photos, who were sick of all the fakes out there, competing against them, and who knew they themselves were real, so they would never have to honor their "free" guaranty. However, like many things it gets copied and then proliferated. Now it's just a common stupid gimmick in advertising. Whether it really is her in the photos or not, nobody is going to get a free session. Advertising slogans are just gimmicks to draw people in. So yes, your comment about it just being used to drive up turnout is accurate.

Is it an LE tactic? It certainly could be. I doubt many of the ads that have that phrase are LE ads, but LE could certainly use that wording in their ads too. LE is not stupid. When they do a sting they will want to make their ads sound like a "normal" ad, so they will definitely use phrases that are common in other ads.

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