Been doing this for 12 yrs now. Been ripped off only 4 times, but I hated each time and it made me really really angry. Took everything I had to just shrug it off and leave. Just thinking about it makes me hot. But I noticed on the post game round up that sometimes I let the little head do most of the thinking and other times I didn't ask the right questions, or if I did, I didn't leave when I didn't get the answer that I wanted. For example, "are you full service?", "It's all inclusive" or "You're gonna have a great time" or "We're going to have fun." Those responses are weak and misleading. I got burned on the "all inclusive response" but have bailed everytime I've received that response since. But then there are the other kind of ripoffs, the poor service kind. The girl that turns her head while you're trying to enjoy yourself. What kind of behavior can you observe during the first five minutes of meeting, that will tell you that she's just going to be a piece of meat for you? Is it in the eyes? The way she holds her hand out for the money or asks for the money? I just know that if I had had a warning list in the past, I would've hopefully been hip to it and said, "Thanks for your time, but I'm going to go." Any chance people could post their red flag indicators and maybe TER or someone can edit them and post them on a page.
After 12 years, I'd think you'd be able to write a very fine warning list of all of us. If you've only been burned 4 times, I think you know what to look for. Give yourself some credit and quit holding out.
Ok, I was hoping that more would chime in, so I guess I'll post what I use for my Ripoff Detector. I hope others will add on. I know some of mine may be to overreactive but I'm not wealthy so I try to make sure I get what I want. By Ripoff I mean any provider that will take your money and not give you what you want, will give a lackluster performance or will verbally mislead you into thinking that what her definition of enjoyment is the same as your definition of enjoyment. Even though I've been actively ripped off only 4 times, ie: money paid but no service, I have experienced a number of "passive" ripoffs too (poor performance).
- She says, "It's all inclusive" and won't say any more. This means you may get a rub, maybe even a tug, but nothing more.
- She says, "Don't worry we'll have a great time/fun." Right, she'll have fun taking your money.
- She says, "I can't discuss that." (either on the phone or in person)
- If she is mean, rude, dismissive on the phone. Why bother with that kind of attitude, unless you happen to like that.
- If you hear a beeper or other phones in the background, chances are it's an agency and the woman you see in the picture in the magazine or online is not the one you're talking to on the phone.
- If she seems way to apprehensive to hug you or kiss you.
- If you're at a hotel or if she's at your place and she says, "I have to give the money to my driver first to let him know that we're both okay." or "for our mutual protection I have to get the money out of the room." LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE, get your money back and go. (she'll hand the money to a guy standing outside, she'll get undressed and get on the bed with you and when you reach out to touch her, she'll say, "hey, you can't touch, I don't do that")
- If she seems really bored. (she'll lay there like a piece of meant, she'll turn her head from you and will only say "are you almost done"
- If you see a guy hanging around near the apt./hotel/motel room. (this is a weak one, but just keep in mind that she may say that she needs to get the money out of the room.)
- Listen to the hairs on the back of your neck. If they're standing on end, LEAVE. That's millions of years of evolution telling you that something is wrong. Listen to it, get out and find another provider.
Add on, comment, question, rule out. I'm just curious to what others are using.
Wherever did you get your misinformation?
BarbieDoll,
Years of experience as a guy who sees providers. Now not everything I listed is a MUST BE A RIPOFF RULE, but the times that I've been ripped off or met a provider who was just plain aweful I noticed the same kind of behavior patterns.
People may be complex and may have bad days, but over 12 years of doing this I have recognized certain behaviors of women who are into this because they love it and love the money and the women who do this ONLY because they love the money.
The women who do this only for the money and not for providing a service are the kinds that annoy men, that piss us off and end up treating other providers poorly.
This is a business transaction. And a business/provider that provides good service will get repeat customers, good reviews/word of mouth and make more money. Providers that rip guys off, lay there like a corpse or rush a guy, only see that guy once and if things work out right, they'll get less and less clients and have to move on to rip men off in another city.
There are many individual reasons why men choose to see providers. Usually the reason is not to see our hard earned money wasted.
So now, I ask you BarbieDoll, why do you disagree with almost every point I make? What about them specifically makes you disagree? Have you ever paid for a provider? Set aside the fact that a provider may have a "bad day", may have cramps, or "accidently" booked two clients to close to each other. What reason does a provider have for ripping a guy off? What reason does a provider have for not saying "I only do a show - nothing more at all" or saying "I only do massage and nothing more at all"?
Give me a logical, moral reason why a provider can not say that to a guy when he asks if she does full service? And don't bring up undercover cops because that answer is not applicable. The only answer that exists is because she only wants the money and doesn't want to provide any kind of service at all. She'll deliver a half-assed massage or will gyrate on the bed for a few minutes and then leave or tell you to get out. With the exception of the .001% of men who like that, the rest of us guys don't want that. That's not what we're paying for. And the provider who does that is a thief. A lowly criminal who's banking on the chance that the guy won't strangle her in anger but just curse her off and leave. It's not right. And don't even tell me that seeing providers is wrong because it's done all the time - called dates, bf/gf relationships and marriage.
So, to recap:
I have been doing this for 12 years.
I have paid thousands of dollars.
I have observed the behavior of a lot of providers.
I have had the misfourtune of being ripped off or spending time
with a lousy provider.
Please, tell me how I've been misinformed. And once again, please be specific.
Don't be in too much of a hurry at first. take it a little slowly, study her face carefully, listen to her voice. Is she all there ? Is she all there ? Is she congruent ? Does part of her behavior say one thing and part of her behavior say another thing ? Is she too "enthusiastic" ? Is she too smooth, too slick, too practiced in her rap ? Check in with yourself before you move, slow time down a little bit, do you feel like you are connecting with a person or are you being fed a line ? Ask youself, do I really feel like being with this person ? Every time it didn't go well, I didn't feel 100% into it from the outset, and every time I should have said, sorry, this doesn't feel like it is working out, and leave.
Yes, dealing with first-time providers can be fun, but....
... why take the chance of getting ripped off.
I have NEVER been ripped off because I only see ESTABLISHED independant providers. Nothing against the agency girls, but
dollar for dollar, I have found that established independants
with good reviews are always more fun, more enjoyable and a much better value for the dollar.
BTW, once I have made a connection with an independant, I have NEVER been asked to pay up front. Most of these women know that they are quality and a good tip is usually forthcoming because of that.
Viva La Independant!