I have only seen providers twice, and while I'd really like to go again, the risk of getting the STD's - the ones you can still get with a condom - scare me off enough that I don't think I will go again.  Namely, warts and herpes.  I think if someone is newly infected, you can't really see it on their genitals either.  

So guys (and gals) - how do you address this in the hobby?  Is this just a risk you are willing to live with?  These STDs, from what I understand, you can never fully get rid of.  

You can never really be sure of anything unless you are both checked out completely at the doctor's with proof to be shown at the time of service.  We providers worry about catching STDs (or worse) from clients as well.  
What still amazes me is the number of clients who request bareback services of all kinds.  I no longer provide any services bareback, or oral on me, yet still get asked how much more would I require to do it.  Like throwing an extra hundred at me is going to change my mind.  I realize also that most of my clients are married men and they should be all the more vigilant about being safe, but I guess not.  
Condoms always.

I think you have every reason to be concerned.
However, it is the sort of risk you take when you are either a provider or a hobbyist. (Or just someone exceptionally sexually active, for that matter.) :/ I've done my share of research, and as for herpes and HPV: the chances of being sexually active and not getting one (whether a hobbyist or not) are not all that encouraging. An estimated 20% of people have herpes genitally, and a whopping 80% orally. Millions of people have these diseases and never know it. And since herpes can be physically transmitted from mouth to genitals and vice versa, it's easy to get. Personally, it's a reasonable concern of mine- but on this subject, I worry more about a condom breaking and catching something moe rare that could actually kill me. :/  

anyway, if you're strongly concerned about these issues, then just insist on being extra careful in all sexual encounters. but also be aware that it only takes one act with one person to get either disease, and its not really possible to prevent transmission 100%, even with a condom.
be safe!
~D

So what if after the deed is done, immediately afterwards you scrub yourself off in the shower?  Is this silly or will it help stop any possible STDs?

What really scares me is I will read the review of a provider I am into... then I see the reviewers that have reviewed her.  I click on the reviewers name, and the guy has reviewed, literally, about 30-40 providers.  Once I see that, it really sets in just HOW many people this provider has been exposed to.

Again, anyone's two cents is encouraged.  Am I being too paranoid?  Does there seem to be a certain percentage of people that catch these condom-proof STD's?

There are somewhat more extensive thoughts on the general national discussion boards with some weblinks.  You can look through those pages and find some more hard facts I'm sure.
Be Safe.

honestly, it sounds like you have some questions that may be better addressed by a health professional- but here's what i've read and what i know. maybe it will be of help:
scrubbing yourself off after the fact isn't going to do much if any good. unfortunately, if you've gotten something, you've got it, and that's it.
as for the number of clients a provider sees- you're right; it certainly does increase the chances that they've been exposed to something, thereby increasing the risk to you. but since a fifth of the population is a carrier for diseases like genital herpes- you alone have probably seen ample exposure to it without sleeping with a whole lot of people. it's just a statistical reality.
i wouldn't say you're being overly-paranoid, since your standards don't need validation of anyone but yourself. if you are deeply concerned about diseases such as hpv and herpes, then be extra careful. like i said- it can only do you good.
the real problem with these diseases is that they aren't routinely tested for in standard STD tests (since they tend to present nothing more than an annoyance rather than a serious health risk to a carrier.) it doesn't help that most people who become infected to NOT show symptoms, but can still spread the disease at certain times.
hpv and herpes are transmitted via skin contact (hence the concern of still catching it with condom use) and typically are only spread when a carrier is having an outbreak. this is something that should be obvious to you if you pay any attention to that area of the body before you have sex. also, since the outbreaks can be painful it's probably unlikely that a carrier would go through the pain of sex when they were obviously contagous in the first place. however- there are more unusual situations where either disease can be transmitted when an outbreak is not present. this is actually where i would say the most risk is- since even if an infected person knew they had it, they couldn't be 100% sure they weren't putting someone at risk by having sex at a time that seemed "safe."

there's always risk involved when it comes to casul sex. you just have to decide if the risk is worth the satisfaction of the experience. if it isn't- then try and avoid situations where you're not totally comfortable with the chances your're taking.

hope this made sense and was possibly helpful.  if it wasn't- cut me some slack- i'm so tired i'm seeing double of everything.

~d

Did you know that since the legal brothels in Nevada by law require no exchanging of fluids (condoms for everything, no BBBJ, DATY only with dental dams) there have been NO cases of STD transmission? None. Zero. Zippo.

I know many of us like DATY and BBBJ but maybe thry have it right.

...but much depends upon the provider.  If she insists you are clean or shower.  If she actually is well reviewed and has been in the business for some time, I take comfort in that.  I would be absolutely assured seeing a provider with intelligence such as Sedona who frequently and wisely asks us hobbiests to get tested.  But nothing is 100% fail safe.  Scrubbing afterwards affords little protection.  If you are so afraid, try seeking those who give sensual massages and everything but...you would be amazed how wonderful that can be!

Dear guys/girls.

Even though there is no better way to 100% prevent STDs, I do recommend the BEST way that I INVENTED, and have been telling my friends to use:

bring with you 3 large bottles of 95% Alcohol, if you cant get it, there are 75% rubbing alcohol available anyway in the supermarket.

1. Right after you come, pull it out, use your right hand to pour alcohol onto your left hand and your penis (at this time, actually onto the condom and penis root), use your left hand to make sure alcohol flow cover all the areas, including pubic hair (that is where virus may reside most, since it gets juice from her).
2. In the flow of the alcohol, use your left hand take off your condom, (yeah, your right hand is still pouring the alcohol onto your little soldier now)
3. Throw the condom away, and keep pouring the alcohol onto your penis, use your left hand to make sure alcohol covers everywhere down there, anywhere that could have gotten some love juice off her. Maybe you need to open 2nd bottle now.
4. keep pouring for 5 minutes, or finish the 3rd bottle.

Medical base for this practice is that, HIV HBV virus, and all other virus will die in alcohol environment, HIV can only survive in it for less than one minutes.  That is why nurses using the cotton ball to clean you, before they do the injection, same principle.

One draw back though, you will feel sting on your penis when it contacts the alcohol, but it is VERY bearable, compared to the fear of getting an STD and then getting kicked out by your wife

Anywho, my 2 Cents that you asked for. I call it CH method, don’t ask why, just give me credit when you quote it.

Guy from MIT

When you get a shot, the alcohol on the cotton ball you refer to does not "kill" any germs at the injection site.  The germs in question generally aren't killed by alochol; they just don't like it and move away from it.  That's why medical personnel start at the injection site and wipe in broader circles away from the center; it moves the germs from the site out and away.

So, to sum up:  alcohol in general doesn't kill germs; they merely move away from it's presence.

I can only imagine the look on your lady's face when you yank out and start pouring alcohol all over you willy.  I hope your kidding!

what kinda of education do you have? germs move away???

Germs are in the size of 10-20 microns, 10^-6 meter. if they really have to move away, do you know how long does it take for them to move away from the spot of 1-2 cm2???? so the nurse will wait for maybe errrr 2 days to make that shot???


plus Germs dont have "legs", so they swim, alcohol evaperates in seconds, how would germs move now?

another plus, we are talking about virus, HIV ( the "V' stands for Virus, virus is even smaller than Germs in the micron range... not germs

whatever I posted in my post is 100% correct. I do hope other people here have better basic biology education than you, who can actually understand what I posted.

Good luck

I was real affraid the next step was to get a match!

Hey man, if you got balls, drink her cum, lick her juicy, if she lets you, don¡¯t even use rubbers, no one gives a shit.

This post was meant to give advice to the people who are very cautious however would like to enjoy life a bit, then this is pretty much best they can do.

If you AINT GOT BETTER ideas, shove it.

Let's see:  
Education:  Master's Degree; phlebotomy certificate
Recent job prior to retiring:  Worked in an Emergency Room
Time in Job:  20 years
Training:  Extensive, including some more advanced MICRObiology courses (much more than your "basic biology education")

It's a FACT that alcohol does not kill most germs.  Why do you think that in serious invasive procedures, they don't use it as a prep?  It just doesn't cut it.  If you soak an instrument in alcohol, it isn't cleaned thorougly enough to remove all microbial infective material, or they wouldn't have to autoclave them to reach that level of clean.

Oh, and alcohol doesn't "evaporate in seconds."  You usually have to wait at least 30 seconds, if not 60 seconds, before proceeding to get the full effect of using the alcohol.

Your biology is totally incorrect.  You do NOT MOVE bacteria away from the site when you rub with a cotton swab.  You decrease the bacterial load at that site because it does kill the bacteria.  Alcohol at 70% or 95% does kill bacteria, but not all.  It was used as a prep for surgery in the past but is not now because of fire risk and because there are other preps that do a better job with viruses and fungi.  No prep totally sterilizes a field prior to surgery but the reason you prep is because you will decrease the bacterial load at that site.

TMIT....

You are correct.   Bikebryan doesn't know biology despite his MICRObiology knowledge.  Check out this site:  

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hey man, I think this thread has been real informative.  I would actually consider the alcohol method if I were to only pop once. For multiple pops, I might have to consider another method.... hmmm...