Rip offs - Some steps to help you avoid it.

A buddy of mine recently revealed to me that he called a girl in LAXPRESS in Los Angeles and got ripped off.   So he was surprised when I showed him this site.   Then I've read more posts by guys being ripped off here so I thought I'd repost this.

By being ripoed off I mean any provider that will take your money and not give you what you want, give a lackluster performance or will verbally mislead you into thinking that what her definition of enjoyment is the same as your definition of enjoyment.  

I call it being actively ripped off and "passively" ripped off (by passive, think of the average russian provider).



- Use TER.  It's fun going seeing someone who hasn't been reviewed but it's a bigger risk and unless you have money to burn you may want to think twice about it.  But good luck if you do, cuz you may find a really good provider.   (Now if you call a provider with here with a lot of positive reviews then I would imagine that you don't have much to worry about, so some of what is below wouldn't count.)
- She says, "It's all inclusive" and won't say any more.  This usually means you may get a rub, maybe even a tug, but nothing more.  If that's not what you want, it may be best to hang up/leave and move on.
- She says, "Don't worry we'll have a great time/fun." Right, she'll have fun taking your money and running out the door.  Not fun for you, but fun for her but for some reason she won't understand why you aren't having fun.  This is another version of "It's all inclusive"
- She says, "I can't discuss that." Everyone is worried about LE,.  So her not saying anything on the phone is understandable.  But lets say you get to her place and you sit down, make some small talk and then ask her if she'll do some things that you'd like to do and she's still not going to tell you - and she doesn't have any reviews, expect to be dissapointed after you hand your money over.  I reccomend you excuse yourself and leave quickly.  
- If she is mean, rude or dismissive on the phone.  Accents asside, why bother with that kind of attitude, unless you happen to like that.  This is after all a business a bitchy attitude on the phone will usually mean a bitchy attitude in person.   We all have bad days but if we're on the job we're expected to put that aside.  And regardless of the time waster jerks who call and make noises on the phone, if she can't at least pretend to be professional hang up and move on.
- If you hear a beeper, beepers, a beeper going off over and over again or other phones in the background, chances are it's an agency and the woman you see in the picture in the magazine or online is not the one you're talking to on the phone and won't be the one that you end up meeting.   With that said, expect to be asked for more money for her services "Honey the $250 is just for me to show up".
- If she seems way to apprehensive to hug you or kiss you hello.  Maybe you smell, so take a shower before you meet her and wear clean clothes.  She may not know you and may not want to touch you right away.  However, considering that you're there to make a personal deposit, some touching is going to be involved and if she is averse to being touched then she may be a complete bore and a poor provider (laying there like a piece of meat).  I've been told by some provider that the eyes of a client and the eyes of a cop are very different and that most (not all) undercover cops won't kiss a provider on the lips, so she can shake out a cop by moving in to kiss him.   Not foolproof, but it worked for her.   My POV, if she's not willing to be touched then she may not be the provider for me.
- Meet me at this hotel.   I've found that most providers in hotels are scam artists (see below).    
- Now, if you're at a hotel or if she's at your place and she says, "I have to give the money to my driver first to let him know that we're both okay." or "for our mutual protection I have to get the  money out of the room."  LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE, get your money back and go. (she'll hand the money to a guy standing outside, she'll get undressed and get on the bed with you and when you reach out to touch her, she'll say, "hey, you can't touch, I don't do that" or even worse, hop in the car and take off.)
- Avoid Outcall.  (unless she's been rated well on TER)  If you're seeing someone who isn't rated having them come to you can be a disaster.  Chances are she's gonna rip you off.  Chances are you're talking with an agency and not the girl you're looking at.  If you don't like the girl and send her off she may want a cancellation fee.  If you don't pay, expect a driver at the door of your house/apt./hotel room banging on the door and yelling at the top of his lungs, "Prostitution is illegal, you shouldn't be doing illegal things like soliciting a woman!"   It's not a good thing.
- Avoid agencies you're not familar with.   Once again, you're gonna have to try one eventually but see if you can get a recomendation first or if a girl from an agency has good reviews.  A lot of agencies are just running scams.  Everyone is in on it.   The girl shows up, takes the moeny, hands it off and tells you that she's only there to provide a show.   Ask for your money back, she doesn't have it and her bodyguard/driver won't give it to you or will tell you that he passed it on and it's gone and that she's not there to do anything illegal.  Either way you're screwed.  There are good agencies out there, but you need to find them, do some research.
- If she seems really bored when she meets you. (she'll lay there like a piece of meat, she'll turn her head from you and will only say "are you almost done after the first 5 minutes"
- If you see a guy hanging around near the apt./hotel/motel room. (this is a weak one, but just keep in mind that she may say that she needs to get the money out of the room before she can start.  Stand up and leave.)
- If she seems rushed when you walk in, ask her if she's busy and if she has enough time to see you for the full hour.  Look at her eyes, if she can't look at you in the eye when she lies and says yes - leave.  Why?  Because 5-15 minutes later she's going to say, "Honey I need you to hurry up, I've got another client booked."   No she doesn't.  She's lying and you've just been ripped off.  And even if she does have someone booked to close she should've told you that before taking your money.  She's a criminal.


Listen to the hairs on the back of your neck.  If they're standing on end, LEAVE.  That's millions of years of evolution telling you that something is wrong.  Listen to it, get out and find another provider, there are so many of them and a lot of the good ones are reviewed here.  So DON'T be afraid to LEAVE.  Think with the big head and not the small.  You're gonna want to stay I mean there she is, smelling good, looking good batting her eyes at you but if you look in her eyes and see something sly or dead staring back at you - LEAVE!!!   So you didn't get any, you weren't going to get any anyway so keep your money and see another provider or slap yourself in the face and pay a bill you've been neglecting, pick up some porn or buy a new suit.  If something seems wrong something may be wrong - LEAVE.  Remember, a provider who is ripping guys off knows that you're in a bad position.  She can rip you off and knows that you may complain but that 99% of us are just going to leave because if she screams her bodyguard comes in to fight the cops come you get arrested.  If you begin to pound her to a pulp she'll scream and you'll eventually be arrested or will have to fight her bodyguard.  She has you right where she wants you, so don't give her that chance.  Get out, get out, get out.  


So please add on, comment, question, or dissmiss what I've written.  I'd like to know what others are using.