The recommendations below are for major city hobbying
--Try to establish yourself as a legit hobbyist to you local "community" if one exists.
--Pay for a VIP TER Membership so you can send and receive PMs. If you have a regional TER board for your city, post regularly and become known so you can "ask for 411" i.e. ask for information on specific providers you see ads for and ask for recommendations.
--Get yourself cleared with DateCheck or similar service, so you can pass provider screening. Then try to attend Meet & Greets in your area.
--Other's disagree but for myself, I NEVER USE AN AGENCY, due to the added risk of LE focusing on criminal enterprises, and the agency's record keeping. (Don't believe they don't keep records) I won't go into detail, just suffice it to say that I have been fortunate enough to gain some insight via personal experience that is somewhat rare in the hobby.
Here are some specific techniques.
--Use google frequently. Google a provider's phone number. Google her name along with the word escort. See what you find.
--Ads but no reviews? Google 'em. Well, if you find many hits and/or hits from various websites and/or over a period of time, you can be much more confident that this is not LE postings that is not how undercover works. They Change their ads post-sting and vary them to continue to lure more people in. So, a strong web presence to a lady points that is more likely legit.
--BP/CL ads : Watch ads over time. Scam artists, cash & dash, etc. must change up their ads frequently. Again consistancy in ads over a period of time is usually a good sign.
--BP/CL ads : Stick with local phone numbers. Circuit girls are always a TOFTT situation, which may be OK, but they are also highly pimped which is not. Avoid the pimp. ![]()
--AGE : Watch out for the teens (18/19) as it is not so uncommon that they are under 18. Don't go there. Even if they lie to you, you will still be committing a serious felony. You don't want to be a sex offender for the rest of your life.
--AGE : Even if you are not a milf chaser, consider the more mature providers. They are often much better than theri younger counterparts--but we are talking safety here. LE typically uses female officers that appear to be late 20s early 30's.
--GENERAL : Use some common sense and instincts. You know if you have street smarts or not. If you don't (maybe just a suburban family guy, who has never run the streets?) them be cautious with yourself because thinking with your little head is dangerous. In that case stick with reviewed ladies.
-- COMMUNICATION : When you call, simply say " Hello, my name in ______. I'm interested in spending time with you. Are you available for an hour at 8PM tonight?" just make the appointment and ask for or give directions.
DO NOT talk about sex
DO NOT talk about money
DO NOT get flirty and cute
If the lady starts asking leading questions like "What are you looking for?" or "Did you see my ad on CL?" Just hang up and move on.
The same goes when you meet. Until you are hot and heavy into it don't talk about sex. If she greats you at the door and give you a serious DKF, go ahead and start touching her sexually, its a good sign. But remember the "LE CHECK" of touching or the question "Are you a police officer?" are of no value or protection what so ever.
LE Stings are usually incall they set up at hotels, or survelance and arrest at real provider's incalls (which are usually larger agency incalls or BP/CL pimped circuit girls wher a complaint has been made.
If you have other straight forward questiions just post them. I personally think the "What about this hypothetical scenario" questions that get posted are of little value.
Hope that helps.
Okay, I'm a noob, so I wanna be cautious about seeing a barely-reviewed provider (she's got two reviews that I've found, both on another site). I could not find her here at TER. She advertises on BP and CV. So what I wanna do is describe a hypothetical scenario to you, and have you tell me at what point I could be busted, IF she in fact is LE.
THE SCENARIO: I see her ad on BP in the Escort section and call her up. We don't discuss her services at all on the phone, but she tells me her donation rate, and we set an incall appointment at her apartment (presumably hers). I arrive, she answers the door, and I walk in and put her donation envelope on the table. Then I tell her I'm only interested in a massage, strip down to my boxers, and lay on her bed face down.
1) Could I be busted for this?
2) If not, would a LEO go forward and give me a massage? Would she get naked herself? Would she try to take off my boxers or touch my privates?
3) What are some "trigger points" that, well...trigger, a bust? What triggers the cuffs to come out?
Thanks!
MC
First of all you could get "busted" for anything...including simply answering the ad, could you be convicted? Probably not.
I know every noob worries about LE almost as much as being caught by a CO but the reality is, in terms of percentages, it hardly ever happens. I think it's much more likely that you answer an ad, show up at a hotel room, the "provider" asks what you want, and you go into excruciating detail on what you want...the door from an adjacent room opens and you're busted.
In your scenario you are getting a semi-clothed massage, perfectly legal but so what? Are you in this to get a massage and worry about the LE implications? Why not just find someone with more reviews so you can be assured from the beginning that she isn't LE??????
Thanks everyone for your replies. And to add some context to my original question, I actually don't want much more than a massage. Sure, I'd like her to be naked, and I most definitely want a happy ending. But I thought maybe I could be coy in the beginning by stating that I only wanted a massage and keeping my boxers on. I figured that I'd be able to tell within a few minutes that she was NOT a LEO, if she went through with the massage. I figured that a LEO would not--given that I didn't request anything illegal--go through with the session, making up some excuse and giving me my money back.
And to niceenuf, what does "CO" mean in your post? I looked it up in the newbie manuel acronym list, and it wasn't there. I checked one more source and found it defined as "cock odor"...but I don't see how that would fit into your sentence. Please explain. Thanks. (Maybe you meant to write "SO", as in significant other? That would make sense.)
Big fat fingers got in the way...yes, CO should have been SO (significant other).
Quote: "and have you tell me at what point I could be busted, IF she in fact is LE."
The minute you dialed the number, you placed yourself at risk.
Bottom line is:
If you end up in the room with LE, you will be dialing your "one phone call" very shortly.
Regardless of anything you do or don't do.
Just remember - STFU !!!
Good luck.
Their goal is to get some version of a contract for sexual services for money. If her add used any euphamism that is colorably a term for any sexual contact (FBSM, GFE, Full Service, Head Doctor, whatever) and you even have that amount of money on you, that's probably good enough.
Even if her ad was very discrete and avoided anything that could set it up as a solicitation offer (a cop ad wouldn't be so discrete) and you specifically ask for something legal...
Well, they've invested already in the Sting, why bother with all the niceties of drawing things out trying to get just the right evidence. Even if they do the arrest based on something that won't stand in court or a Prosecutor wouldn't pursue, they've still taught you a lesson. I got arrested for solicitation, and it was 16 hours of extreme discomfort and humiliation just to get initially processed.
Don't fall into the TV Law show, online discussino trap of thinking you can be clever and avoid harm. Remember, even folks found not guilty in court endure lots of costs, time in jail, shaming etc., and coy little tricks won't protect you.
But to answer your question narrowly, no, I doubt a police woman would touch your Johnson just to make a bust, or even show a nipple. If you get that far, relax....unless she's drawn attention to regular business at one place and attracts a raid instead of hosting a Sting.
Dirk is right if you are there and it is a sting you will get busted. Can it stick, probably under your scenario no. But like he said you go to the station and you "have som explainin" to do.
Stick to well review providers and you won't have to worry about LE. Get VIP and READ the reviews. Find someone who floats your boat and have some fun!
You could try the "pizza delivery avoidance play" and tell us how it works.
Or bring a pooper-scooper and dog treats and claim you're the "dog walker" who went to the wrong room.
You can wash the shoe prints off your face and pick up your teeth after they untwist your arms and let you go.
But seriously folks ... I have never had the experience but I understand that they don't wait for anything. They assume you are carrying weapons of mass destruction and just want to take you down quickly and ask questions later.
As stated in the various responses, you could get busted at any time, but you should be aware that the entire process is being recorded and if nothing is said that alludes to the service required, you will get off, but am unsure if your record will be expunged, which means completely deleted.
A good approach to take is to take a camera with you and tell the person that you are there for a modeling shoot (which you should also mention in your initial contact) and have her strip or get ready. If she shows any sign of reluctance, time to bail. Again, everything depends on the mood of the people next door. Since a real professional or a LE will never ask for a donation, wait until you are sure before placing anything on the table or behind the TV or wherever. I don't know if LE actually posts reviews here or on other sites to trap people, but they certainly advertise heavily on backpages, Craigslist and Cityvibe. I avoid CL completely.
Happy hobbying.
If it's a sting, you are a goner the second you walk into the incall. If you change your mind at the last second, and tell her you only want a massage, I don't think it will help in avoiding getting busted.
Except to not be there.
Seriously.
Whether she is LE, or just a provider under surveilence, you are toast.
You are wasting your time asking about scenarios.
There will be good advice on what to do TO AVOID CONTACT WITH LE. But frankly, I doubt there are more that one or two guys IF ANY, that have ever worked with LE in some manner and have first hand knowledge of there undercover processes.
TAKE the advice on how to be safe and go get laid.![]()
HalfHour
So far I have seen only one recommendation... That is choose a provider with multiple reviews over a period of time. Are there any other recommendations?
Is it safer to go for agency instead of independents?
Is it safer to go for outcall rather than incall? Will LE prefer incall for making a sting?
The recommendations below are for major city hobbying
--Try to establish yourself as a legit hobbyist to you local "community" if one exists.
--Pay for a VIP TER Membership so you can send and receive PMs. If you have a regional TER board for your city, post regularly and become known so you can "ask for 411" i.e. ask for information on specific providers you see ads for and ask for recommendations.
--Get yourself cleared with DateCheck or similar service, so you can pass provider screening. Then try to attend Meet & Greets in your area.
--Other's disagree but for myself, I NEVER USE AN AGENCY, due to the added risk of LE focusing on criminal enterprises, and the agency's record keeping. (Don't believe they don't keep records) I won't go into detail, just suffice it to say that I have been fortunate enough to gain some insight via personal experience that is somewhat rare in the hobby.
Here are some specific techniques.
--Use google frequently. Google a provider's phone number. Google her name along with the word escort. See what you find.
--Ads but no reviews? Google 'em. Well, if you find many hits and/or hits from various websites and/or over a period of time, you can be much more confident that this is not LE postings that is not how undercover works. They Change their ads post-sting and vary them to continue to lure more people in. So, a strong web presence to a lady points that is more likely legit.
--BP/CL ads : Watch ads over time. Scam artists, cash & dash, etc. must change up their ads frequently. Again consistancy in ads over a period of time is usually a good sign.
--BP/CL ads : Stick with local phone numbers. Circuit girls are always a TOFTT situation, which may be OK, but they are also highly pimped which is not. Avoid the pimp. ![]()
--AGE : Watch out for the teens (18/19) as it is not so uncommon that they are under 18. Don't go there. Even if they lie to you, you will still be committing a serious felony. You don't want to be a sex offender for the rest of your life.
--AGE : Even if you are not a milf chaser, consider the more mature providers. They are often much better than theri younger counterparts--but we are talking safety here. LE typically uses female officers that appear to be late 20s early 30's.
--GENERAL : Use some common sense and instincts. You know if you have street smarts or not. If you don't (maybe just a suburban family guy, who has never run the streets?) them be cautious with yourself because thinking with your little head is dangerous. In that case stick with reviewed ladies.
-- COMMUNICATION : When you call, simply say " Hello, my name in ______. I'm interested in spending time with you. Are you available for an hour at 8PM tonight?" just make the appointment and ask for or give directions.
DO NOT talk about sex
DO NOT talk about money
DO NOT get flirty and cute
If the lady starts asking leading questions like "What are you looking for?" or "Did you see my ad on CL?" Just hang up and move on.
The same goes when you meet. Until you are hot and heavy into it don't talk about sex. If she greats you at the door and give you a serious DKF, go ahead and start touching her sexually, its a good sign. But remember the "LE CHECK" of touching or the question "Are you a police officer?" are of no value or protection what so ever.
LE Stings are usually incall they set up at hotels, or survelance and arrest at real provider's incalls (which are usually larger agency incalls or BP/CL pimped circuit girls wher a complaint has been made.
If you have other straight forward questiions just post them. I personally think the "What about this hypothetical scenario" questions that get posted are of little value.
Hope that helps.
If you're that scared, go with well-reviewed providers.
If you want this girl and want to avoid a bust, you can background check her phone number.
Look for anything suspicious in her ad. LE will give you dirt cheap rates like $100 per hour, girls pic that are not nude, pics without faces. Lady cops will not placate their face pic while being naked with their boobs and butt hangin out. So far, with BP and CL, I only go with ladies with a face and nude photos. No problem.