Gents..

When you email a lady, I would advise against asking "Are you GFE?" or use of any other acronyms. If it's that important to you make sure you do your research (i.e. reviews) first!

Also, NEVER tell a lady that you want to talk about the "ground rules" or "what to expect" either in advance OR when she arrives...at least not unless you want a reply/her to stay....
Again, do you research or be prepared to TOFTT...

I will echo your statement of research..... there should always be available information on any established provider. A little research should enlighten you to what you might expect.

Fellow hobbyists (*especially on TER*) will often give their honest personal opinion and thoughts. I would encourage b/c (*back channeling*) or private emailing if you are still challenged after reading information available on the net. Play safe & know your provider  ......   kisses ~Tori

Thanks for the tip,  but to me it seems a bit unfair.  If I am 'donating' the equivalent of a Lexus car payment, why can't I ascertain what your rules are?  Don't get me wrong, I totally agree w/ you about doing the research first.

I saw a provider once in Orlando who really left me pissed off.  It was before I knew about TER.  I was dumb and paid before asking questions.  Come to find out there was only CBJ, CG and doggie (no mish).  The service was very rushed.  PLUS she was on her period!

I respect your opinion, and do not wish to start a fight, but I think you need to get over yourself.

You may think this is apples and oranges, but if I asked a barber if he was licensed, or could give me a taper (BEFORE paying), he would not be offended and tell me to leave his shop.

Should he answer you there are no odds of him being taken to jail. Or having a security clearance revoked or being charged with an assortment of violations and his photo published to be judged by the general public thus affecting his family and friends.

I personally have a license and I perform services in the field of consultation for relaxing & de-stressing, ask me anything you want about relaxing and de-stressing. Bottom line is, unless you are in counties in Vegas that have legal prostitution, commenting on anything that may be considered prostitution could lead to a misunderstanding that I would need an attorney to straighten out.

Stated a little different: If you started asking your Barber details about the card game that meets on his property, you might start understanding this thing called caution. He probably wouldn't tell you the exact date & time, make speculation about how many times the cards will be dealt whether the ante on the pot starts at $3 every game or if it fluctuates.

I'm amazed how a gentleman who has acquired the note on a Lexus can't understand why a woman would be ignorant to discuss and possibly brag about behavior that many consider illegal..... how hard is that to understand? ~I guess I should make it clear that L/E also uses female voices in answering calls and that by asking for and specifically questioning behavior, you are also placing yourself at risk.

I've tried my best to equate another situation so you might possibly understand and hopefully you might..... if not, then maybe you never will. The information should be available on a provider that is reviewed and established. You are empowered by making your choice based on your research and the tools available to you.

It is 2006, there are many women who play in the "hobby" as a means and avenue to other professional goals. There are few providers left out there who sit around all day every day waiting for a gentleman to call her. Most established providers also have as much or more at risk in her personal life as the gentleman who is meeting her. I know providers, including myself, who will not even engage in a discussion until they are comfortable with the individual to whom they are talking to. There is no possible way I am going to share details about anything until I am confident that the gentleman is truly a hobbyist and not someone or something else with other motives on their agenda.

In response to "getting over myself" .... it is my freedom and my life that is at stake, I am "over it" ...... I just make sure that I protect both myself and my clients.

The tone of your statement might suggest that you might not be as concerned with the providers safety as she is, and that is ok. -But please don't get combative when a lady tries to explain behavior that has been developed to try to protect herself.  

Happy hobbying..... know your provider   ~Tori

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... I suggest you locate where the local streetwalkers hang out, they are more than happy to spell everything out for you.  Of course you are exposing yourself more to LE, disease, and her violent pimp.  It will even cost you only half a car payment.

No, you get over yourself.  Except in the boonies of NV, outside of LV and Reno, what they, you and I enjoy is ILLEGAL!

I can only reiterate what Tori said, the ladies have real security concerns, probably more more than the gentlemen.  They also have as much to loose as the men.  I've met providers who have kids, are married, have real jobs, are supporting their higher education by hobbying, have successful legitimate businesses, have real jobs, etc.  Imagine the impact to their lives if they get arrested.  Talking about services and prices before the donation expose them to this.  It is one thing for her to say that $$$ gives you an hour of her time and companionship, it is something else entirely if she says, before the exchange "that includes BBBJ, 69, CG, and 1/2$ gets you greek".

I think he was pulling our leg with his last post..I really hope so..You are good Tori, I would have came out blazing..lol Plus I am trying to stay on the Newbie Mod good side and not flame anyone on his board..lol

Tori, thanks for your response, and I am very glad this dialog has remained quite civil.  I do see your point.  However, I was not referring to this discussion happening over the phone persay, rather face to face.  But let's say it did occur on the phone.  

Now I am not LE or an attorney.  So I do NOT claim to know the law.  But if I asked you "hey can we travel to Greece together?" and you said "yes," how would that lead to your arrest or mine?  That is quite different than "what can I get for $250?"

Again, my degrees are not in law or Crim Justice, so help a brutha out.

Plus I never said anything about bragging.  Even if you did say, "I am Tori, the true GFE experience," how does that get you arrested?

You ask "hey can we travel to Greece together", you are requesting a specific sexual act that is illegal, in 98% of US jurisdictions for payment.  If you suggest this in an e-mail, you will never receive a reply.  If you say this before the donation, she will be out of your company in a flash.  If she answers "yes, that will be $$$", she has given a sting operation more than enough reason for her to be arrested.

Oh, BTW, your innocent question also gives a sting operation more than enough reason for you to be arrested for solicitation.

Yes, lots of ladies advertise as true GFE, but that is a relatively undefined, and innocent term for the jury (just try to find 12 people who will agree that a girlfriend experience (either as the girl or her boyfriend) must include sex, let alone BBBJ, CIM, 69, Doggie, Greek, etc.

This all very interesting.  Who is to say that I don't legitimately desire to travel to the actual country of greece?  How can you be arrested on gibberish?

I really don't want to put much more bandwidth into this, but suppose you said to Tori "I'll give you $300 to wax my floors."  Can you get arrested?  No!  To the rest of the world you are looking for a maid, but to hobbyists, you could be looking for a BBJ.  If we define what waxing floors means, LE is in the dark, right?

Agreeded, we are probably spending too much time on this.  However, context is important.  Apologies to Tori, but I hope using your name will help make my point.

If Tori advertised in the newspaper or web as a housecleaner, asking her if she will wax your floors for $300 is perfectly appropriate and innocent.

If Tori advertises massage/escort/personal sevices in the same newspaper, or again on the web, your use of a euphonism for sexual activity makes both you and Tori vulnerable.  If you are a cop, and she responds to your proposition, she becomes a target.  If Tori is a cop, your asking the question makes you a target.

Once you have had an a successful meeting with Tori, you can be more frank in suggesting and discussing what you want.  But on the first visit, Tori, and you, should always be very careful.

Hi all,

I am a newbie too, and have the same concerns about questions to ask/not ask...etc.  I see Tori's points and I agree with her and everyone else, so... When do you ask the ground rules? or do you just assume?  I have a provider that I have decided on and it is a agency, and there are 10 TER review too, do I just leave it to the review? so if I get a chance to get together, do I say, "I checked out TER, and you are on the spot for what I am looking for..." or do I still have a point before that I can double check and ask as to what I am getting for my donation....

Thanks

The only way that LE would stay in the dark for long is if we hide the information so that newbies can't find it, and only people who can pass security checks to prove they aren't LE can ever get it.  Using an acronym, or a code phrase, just tells the cops that there's information being exchanged that someone's trying to keep discreet.  If the case ever does come up in front of a judge, the judge will have no problem with asking the officer, "He said he wanted two eggs over easy with a side of hash browns, and was willing to pay $500.  What does that mean, Officer Friendly?"... whereupon Officer Friendly will say, "According to the Acronym Guide for Escorts that I found on the web, it means he wanted 2 hours of sex, including anal, and was willing to pay $500."

The judge will then find the people involved guilty of solicitation, and the criminal justice system will take it from there.

The current system is probably about as good as it gets for providing ease of use for escorts and clients, while providing some degree of protection from LE.  If the cops decide that they really want to nail you for solicitation, they'll find a way to do it, and all the sly references in the world won't save you.  The best advice is to keep a low profile, and rely on word of mouth (including review boards, even though they have flaws) from other clients and providers.  It does make it hard for new folks to get into the hobby (as either clients or providers), but that's just the way it goes.  Keep your head down, be discreet, don't cause problems for anyone (including the neighbors), and you can be pretty much OK.  It's when people get careless and sloppy that the real problems start cropping up.  God forbid you get drugs of any sort entering the picture, too, or people who are underage -- cops get really serious about that kind of stuff.

Slightly different question.

Say you're looking for a provider who offers greek, you have a VIP account and can select a provider who offers that.

I've read on this board that providers want to know if a client wants greek ahead of time, so that they can prepare for doing that.

How would you let a provider know you wanted greek   when setting up the session?