Newbie - FAQ

Re: Well, whoever hacked GaG's account is giving out great advice.
bigmac88 3743 reads
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1 / 32

Last week I finally decided to take the plunge and get started in the hobby. Received my P411 verification late in the week, and immediately contacted a gorgeous lady that I'd had my eye on, who advertised as being newbie-friendly. She actually responded! I don't know why that surprised me; maybe because I'm so new, I figured I'd make some kind of mistake to screw it up. Over the past week, I read "the manual" and the last 200 or so posts, but I still have a few questions.

First, my impression from my contact with the lady is that she didn't seem very enthusiastic about the meeting. Is that typical? I mean, in my initial contact, I sent a short paragraph describing myself and letting her know what attracted me to her (nothing crude, nor anything referencing physical attributes). I gave her a few potential dates and times within her advertised schedule. Her answers were always short and terse, like "I can't meet then, sorry" and "sure, I'll text you." Nothing like "yeah, I'd love to meet you!" or "I really look forward to it!" Is the impersonal approach the way that ladies typically respond?

By the way, she never asked for a pic or a physical description of me. She also didn't ask for any other information to do additional screening. That surprised me, given that I'm new. Do ladies put that much trust in the P411 process? Are these red flags?

One last thing, for the guys: How do physically prep for a meeting? I mean, do you have a climaxing event prior to meeting her (say, the day before), so that you can last longer? Or do you let things build up for a few days before the meeting in the hopes of releasing strongly and perhaps taking multiple shots?

Thanks for all your insights, and particularly to the ladies, who make this all possible.

mrfisher 112 Reviews 144 reads
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2 / 32

it depends on your age.

In my twenties and early thirties, I would jerk off before a date or I'd come in a few minutes.  As I aged, that stopped being a problem, and now in my sixties, I do indeed save myself up for a week to have enough mojo to perform.

 
As for the provider's style, don't get too bent out of shape over it.   Different gals have different styles.   It doesn't mean much.

bigmac88 179 reads
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3 / 32

Thanks for sharing. Early 50s here. My desire seems to ebb-and-flow nowadays. When it peaks, I can finish 3X a day, but when it wanes, I sometimes can't finish at all. Since this is my first visit (and indeed, my first hobby exp), I think I'll approach it like you and just save it. One other prob I seem to be having is "anticipatory anxiety." This is the same feeling I get about a week out from taking a flight. I have a fear of heights, and that fear starts to build about a week ahead of time. Of course, once I'm on the plane, I realize it's not that bad. I have those same butterflies now thinking about the visit. In this case, it's a fear of not performing to the standards of the guys before me; basically embarrassing myself in front of her. Couple of review examples come to mind: one guy "popped" 4X during his encounter, and another one literally broke the bed going at it with her. I hope she's more forgiving with me. ;+)

GaGambler 137 reads
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4 / 32

Yes, It's true that "some" guys can go four times in an hour, but personally I couldn't do that at 18 much less 58, but what I can do now that I couldn't do at 18 is go the entire hour if I want to, but usually I don't want to. Most women (even hookers) don't really like a solid hour of straight intercourse despite what all those letters to Penthouse claim.

 
One thing fish usually suggests and I am surprised he didn't suggest it to you is that if nerves are an issue and you are worried about being a bit "quick on the draw" a shot or two of your favorite libation can both calm the nerves and desensitize  you "down there" and help allow you to relax and enjoy yourself. Obviously don't overdo it as you don't want "whisky dick" a shot or two should suffice

 
Don't worry about "satisfying" your provider, most providers hate it when their clients obsess about pleasing them. Just be clean, be polite and enjoy yourself, and there is nothing wrong with letting the lady take the lead.

Bigben68 10 Reviews 128 reads
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5 / 32

Relax and enjoy yourself. I understand it is very exciting to set up an appointment and finally do the deal.  Anticipation can be a fun part of it.
Here's my 2c.

Do you research and pick a couple ladies. (Have a backup plan)

Check out a couple of her reviews. (Not too many tho)

Plan ahead, but not too far ahead. (Set up a date within a couple days)

Be yourself.

Have a couple of drinks befor the date. (No pre game release)

Do not schedule extended 2 or 3 hr. dates untill you have already seen, and are very comfortable with a provider.

Don't expect too much. You will "click" with some ladies, and not really with some. This does not mean that You still can not have a great time either way.

Do not be too critical of yourself.

Personally I like outcall (my hotel)... I am much more nervous when I go to a new place.  If they come to me, I can create the atmosphere and just love the little knock on the door when its "go time".

Also, when she leaves I can just chill and try to realize how great of a time I just had, and how wonderful most of these ladies really are.

Have fun!!!  You only live once.

2648667 31 Reviews 169 reads
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7 / 32

To BigMac: maybe he broke the bed because he's an Olympic caliber cocksman, and maybe he broke the bed because he has the physique of jabba the hut. Then again, maybe the only thing he broke was his monitor, as the end of his nose shot through it while he wrote that. Besides, with all the sex these women have, you think they want every time to be drive-me-through-the-bed sex? if you want to stand out in her memory, you can in other ways like being genuine and making a connection, and whatever other skills you have. A better tac is to forget standing out and be totally present in the moment. Easier said than done sometimes.

All this stuff you're feeling is totally understandable. I used to feel it a lot and sometimes still do a little. But thinking about who's gone before is something you just gotta put out of your mind. If she's a good provider, all she really wants is for you to have a good time and be happy.

Sexual encounters are like a meal. Some meals are better than others. Some are just something quick to keep you alive, some are Michelin star gourmet, and a hundred things in between. But there's always another appetite coming around the bend!

Worst case scenario, it's like Mick once said. Even if you think she's thinking who's he going to satisfy with that thing, tell yourself why, myself, of course. And get to it.

8pointbuck 123 reads
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9 / 32

Just tell the ladies what they want to know and follow their instructions.      No more.     They don't know you and want no discussions on text or phone.      Their rates are on their web site.         If they say yes they will tell you the rules of the meeting.      Won't give location until your near the location.     Arrive dressed nice, clean and fresh.     They don't negotiate and like a tip if they give good service.      Just relax they will treat you like a king if they have good reviews and you treat them with respect.       When you go to the site act like you belong.     P411 is a big plus.

GaGambler 156 reads
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11 / 32

I just reread my own post and I used "provider" twice, "hooker" once and "lady" once.  That's pretty much within my "normal" range

 
Now if you start seeing me using the term "hobbyist" on a regular basis, or if you EVER see me refer to myself using that term, you can rest assured that someone has indeed hacked my account. lol

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 164 reads
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12 / 32

The fact that she kept her responses brief and to the point doesn't sound to me as though she was uninterested or impolite.  Sure, she could have been more personable but then some might think she sounds phony.  Everyone has their own style and each reader could interpret it differently.
Also, keep in mind that she's very likely using a smartphone or tablet for correspondence.  
I've noticed that both clients and providers tend to keep it simpler and shorter when using such devices rather than a laptop.  :-)

My own responses are pretty "impersonal" too; some have said my entire approach is unsexy or even unfriendly.  And that's perfectly fine; clearly I am not for them. ;-)
Those here who are familiar with me will undoubtedly be shocked to learn this but: I am occasionally snarky (bitchy) to potential clients who didn't bother to read the first dang thing about me.  (GASP!)  I know, I know.... I am normally sooooo sweet and demure that you cannot imagine such a thing but trust me when I tell you that if a person's email is "hey hun can u cum see me 2nite?" that I will have a LOT of fun responding.  Heh heh heh. ;-P

Not many ladies ask for a photo or physical description; a few do ask for a pic or even an ID scan as part of their screening but for other reasons?  Not common at all.   Who you are as a person, your behavior and demeanor, are far more important than your appearance. ;-)

As to screening.... there absolutely are ladies who will accept your employer-verified P411 status, without any Okays, and not ask for anything further.  In my personal experience, most ladies DO want something additional but what you encountered is far from unheard-of on that site.  

The bottom line here is that if SHE is on Preferred 411 then she IS established, as that site requires providers be vouched-for too.  Always check her recent reviews, of course, but beyond that try to put reasonable trust in her own status there.  

Good luck on your first encounter and have a fabulous time!!!!

bigmac88 152 reads
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13 / 32

Thanks Debra. It's nice to get a woman's perspective. I still find it odd that she didn't ask for a physical description. How does she know whether the guy at the door is a client or someone trying to sell her cable service? I know it'd be a big coincidence for them to show up at the same time, but imagine if she invited the wrong guy in! No doubt he'd feel it was his lucky day.

Your explanations on the terse messaging also make a lot of sense. From my perspective, if I tell her I'm new, I'd like her to make an extra effort to show some amount of enthusiasm; otherwise, I might get cold feet. As mrfisher mentioned, the experienced guys think nothing of it. I'm just not at that point yet.

bigmac88 153 reads
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14 / 32

Thanks for this, Fearghas. I really liked your advice: "you can [stand out] in other ways, like being genuine and making a connection." Maybe I'm not giving the ladies enough credit; I never thought they cared about making a connection. I figured their attitude was that I'm just another lame jerk who has to pay for physical intimacy. No real respect or desire for any sort of connection, more of a let's-just-get-this-thing-over-with approach. Sure, they say differently in their profiles/ads, but I didn't think that, for them to enjoy it, they might want a connection as much as I do. Yes, I realize all of this is fantasy, but having that connection would make the experience something memorable.

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 154 reads
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15 / 32

Are you seeing this provider at her home?  Because that's actually a little unusual lol.  

She's most likely either at a hotel or residence she rents only for incall dates.  The latter is typically an apartment, and she likely won't give you her apartment number or call-code in advance.  We ladies do not want people showing up at our doors 30 minutes or more early!  
Also, any door-to-door salesperson or dropper-by should have to buzz up too, thus eliminating random people knocking at her door. LOL.

My dates are scheduled for a specific time (not just "around noon") and guests are only given my room number once they arrive at my hotel.  That way, I'm at the door awaiting his arrival.... plus, the odds it's someone else approaching my door at that exact same moment are very slim indeed.  ;-)    

I actually tend to see a lot of newbies, but I don't go out of my way to be extra-nice in communication unless he specifically tells me he's very nervous.  Most of the time these days I don't personally email with new clients at all; I have an assistant who does that! ;-)

In fact, due to the lack of references, all communications are kept very bland and professional until he is fully screened.  (My screening requires much more than your provider's!)  Even then, it's usually just a couple of sentences or two from me to say that I understand his anxiety.  The fact is, I am nervous with EVERY. SINGLE. NEW. CLIENT.

Yup, I've been doing this for more than a decade yet I still get those butterflies when opening the door to a fresh face.  Plenty of other providers have told me the same thing, so know that you are likely BOTH going to be nervous at first. :-)

lopaw 29 Reviews 165 reads
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16 / 32

... I'm female you'd think that in my newbie days most providers would have asked just to confirm that i was who I claimed to be. Most don't ask unless they are adverse to certain clientele and want to vet them out early on.

GaGambler 91 reads
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17 / 32

lopaw always steals the hot Asian women from me:)

 
But Ophelia, I don't know if she really wants it out there that she is hot herself, I am sure she already gets enough requests from the guys wanting to "convert" her, if word were to get out that she's a hottie, she'll have to put ALL the guys on ignore. lol

impposter 49 Reviews 118 reads
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18 / 32

What has lopaw told us? She is busty, blond, strip-clubbin' hottie. Is this her, in flagrante delicto?  
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NOTE: Flagrante Delicto is NOT the name of the strip club.

I've been looking for a chance to post this video. This is my chance.

ChristineGFE See my TER Reviews 158 reads
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19 / 32

It is funny how a few thousand miles and cultural differences can make difference.

In Asia, almost all agencies require full ID with photo of potential client. If an Independent provider in Asia does not require your photo, its a good sign she is being controlled by someone else. The few true Independents that I know all require a photo in Asia.  

The pimps don't care about the providers safety or who they fuck. Since room service is much different there, access to all elevators even modest Hotel require the registered guest. But since all asian girls look same to most white guys, if the girl does not like what she sees in the lobby she just text and says taxi in traffic and leave. Client has no idea that the girl might be sitting right beside him.  

I would say that 25% of my business in Asia was couples. Much higher than here. It was so funny that the US and UK couples would wonder I want a picture of the wife. I required a picture of both of them together to make sure they are real couple is what I would tell them. But truth is I was far more picky about the girl than guy. Its hard to play an ugly girl even if they pay.

AznWhtTailHntr 15 Reviews 144 reads
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20 / 32

Please bring another hot Asian.  No photo required.  After this post, I'll trust your judgement.

1192967 45 Reviews 99 reads
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21 / 32

I keep getting a message this site can't be found when I click the link.

2648667 31 Reviews 101 reads
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22 / 32

It would be pretty awesome if Alicia turned out to be Lopaw.

Adcsd25 20 Reviews 145 reads
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23 / 32

You are over thinking this way too kuch. Why would you want to text her again and again? Or to have a big back and forth? If chemistry is important to you then tell the provider. If she makes no effort to connect then skip her. You get what you pay for, but you as a hobbyist have the right to be picky or to wait until a girl wows you. Or start out with a half and half provider to get your sea legs. Like massage then full service. Having her take care of you first may help you feel relaxed, plus who doesnt love a great massage from someone youre gonna fuck? I honestly like to associate the date with regular sexual encounters.. Obviously with money in between to set the buffer before emotions. You wouldnt date a woman IRL who you dont connect with so if youre looking for a connection then make that clear.  

And also, if a provider responds a certain way aside from courteously and professionally, then shes probably not worth it.

bigmac88 154 reads
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24 / 32

I think you're right, Adcsd, about my overthinking it. Maybe my picture of what GFE really means is skewed. Personally, I don't find myself comfortable walking into the apartment/hotel room of a woman that I don't know and immediately ripping her clothes off; I want to get to know her at least a little bit. ;+) I wouldn't do this to a girlfriend of mine either, unless I've known her for a while and she's comfortable with it. (I'm not saying that you or anyone else approaches a provider in this manner. If you do and the provider is fine with it, that's your business. It's just not something I would do.) I think that's the connection you're talking about that I need.

I like your advice about telling the provider that this is important to me. To be honest, I met with my provider over the weekend, and she seemed confused when I told her that I wanted to get to know her a bit..haha. Who knows, maybe she's used to guys just jumping right in. Perhaps if I had contacted her ahead of time about my expectation, we could've avoided the confusion. I'm a bit surprised that she didn't seem want to establish much of a connection. I think I read on another thread somewhere that nobody wants to feel like a sexbot. I agree, and I don't want to pay for one; a Fleshlight is much cheaper anyway. Like you said, if she doesn't want to make a connection with me, either through contact before I arrive or prior to getting down to business, I guess I'll just need to keep looking.

Jensen36363 58 Reviews 159 reads
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25 / 32

Then the excitement and rush of the event starts taking over and you enjoy the adrenaline rush of the "will I be seen or busted"? and then you get to actually enjoying the sessions with the girl and stop worrying about the build up or your performance. If you're seeing a provider that doesn't make you feel great whether you cum prematurely or can last the entire session (little hint -- that is NOT what they want and you will generally not actually get them off) it's time to look for a better professional playmate to spend your time with.

Someone coined the phrase "Illusion of Passon" (IOP), that's what this is all about: creating a believable but temporary fantasy. Some of that might change when you have some regulars and reasonable friendships can develop -- including both somethings akin to friends with benefits, to actual FwB to a serious real life relationship.  

You're not going to be ready for these later ones for a while, if ever, so when you finish shaving, brushing your teeth and rinsing prior to your appointment look in your own eyes and slap yourself and say out loud: This is just for fun and I can do no wrong (unless I'm an ass and don't respect other human beings).

If this seems harsh reread with the voice of Elmer Fudd or Buggs Bunny but list to the message ;-) Relax and enjoy yourself and do not get too serious,

Jensen36363 58 Reviews 124 reads
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26 / 32

They are humans just like you and, face it, they have a hard job. Someone the gets that and give them a bit of credit as a human. Just a simple human connection treating them like a normal person and not some sex toy or some cum sack or dirty whore deserving of no respect or consideration will go a long way.  

Be polite and considerate but let your own sexual concerns, fears and hangs relax. That will be appreciated, first because it lets the lady relax her guard a bit and since you relax yourself her job get easier -- she doesn't need to work too figure out how to get your to relax and enjoy.

You're probably correct that the potential to be that jerk is in their mind when you walk through the door but you get to make the initial impression during the first 5 or 10 minutes. If you are a nice person they will see that and you get let out of that "Is he a asshat waiting to show himself?". That's going to be a bit harder if you're too nervous so don't expect too much from your first show.

harborview 10 Reviews 153 reads
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28 / 32

Arrive at the call point 10 minutes early, to allow for screwups.  Once you have the location, withdraw to a nearby coffee shop timing your return for the time specified.  Sitting outside reading the paper or playing with your phone for long times is conspicious.  
Ask her the location lay out.  If it a hotel, ask where the elevators are so you can confidently walk by the front desk like you belong.  You must walk by like you belong.  Do NOT walk in on the phone with her!  
Some gals leave the door ajar so you don't have to wait, knock & enter.  Knock once, she'll know you are on the way up &  should be ready to open the door & get you out of the hall.    
Don't say more than "Hello" before the door closes behind you.  Especially, don't make a scene or draw attention in the hall.  
Have the donation ready in an unmarked envolupe or held together with a paper clip.  Place it as instructed... on the dresser or bathroom vanity.   She may pick it up or not but it's hers from the time you place it so don't "watch it".    
follow the rules & you'll be fine.
It's ok to be a little nervious...    

bigmac88 141 reads
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29 / 32

Thanks for the advice, harborview, and for the encouragement. Despite my best efforts, my initial encounter didn't quite go according to the plan you outline.. haha. I was late getting to the location, and I certainly didn't know the layout. Didn't even know that I was on the clock while I was late, trying not to get cold feet. Figured the clock didn't start until the door opened. Well... now I know. I had the donation in the proverbial unmarked envelope but for some reason didn't place it in a conspicuous place. That led to an awkward moment. Overall, though, it was a good experience and I learned a lot. Hopefully the next encounter runs a little more smoothly, and I won't feel like a teenager getting his first kiss.

GaGambler 172 reads
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30 / 32

Not always, but usually. Now if a provider is stacking her appointments without a lot of room in between to "freshen up" yes, the clock will begin at whatever time your appointment is scheduled whether you are there or not, but "most" lower volume providers won't start the clock until you get there, as long as you don't abuse their good nature of course.

 

Glad you had fun anyhow and hopefully it will do nothing but get easier from here.

JJLLRRKK1971 6 Reviews 140 reads
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31 / 32

Just like anyone else on here meeting someone the first time. There is a whole lot going on the inside of anyone I would believe in my opinion. You think of all the unknown factors, anticipation, what you might say first, and etc.  

First the unknown: I look at it as a positive thing and thing. It is exciting to think about it for a second.

Second the anticipation is a good thing, once we meet all and say are first hellos to each other I am relaxed and ready to go.  

Most people look at Anxiety as a negative thing it is not and I get butterflies just like most. For me it turns into good energy everytime.  

There are some many excellent providers that are amazing by making you feel comfortable and welcome out there.  

Looking and reading many of these responses by both side of this business we all get the same feelings, your are not in the boat alone. It is full of others just like you.

harborview 10 Reviews 141 reads
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Posted By: bigmac88
Re: We are all nervious on the first date
Thanks for the advice, harborview, and for the encouragement. Despite my best efforts, my initial encounter didn't quite go according to the plan you outline.. haha. I was late getting to the location, and I certainly didn't know the layout. Didn't even know that I was on the clock while I was late, trying not to get cold feet. Figured the clock didn't start until the door opened. Well... now I know. I had the donation in the proverbial unmarked envelope but for some reason didn't place it in a conspicuous place. That led to an awkward moment. Overall, though, it was a good experience and I learned a lot. Hopefully the next encounter runs a little more smoothly, and I won't feel like a teenager getting his first kiss.
 

That IS why I suggested planning for traffic delays.    
The encounter generally starts at the specified time... so if you are late, it's out of your time.  If she's late, it's when she lets you in.  
Yes, you do learn & gain experience.  

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