Is there any info concerning massage parlor conduct? Are there certain things to say or do that help move things in the right direction? Any help would be appreciated...thanks, G
Always ask first if she is in the country legally, and if her work at the parlor is to pay off the bond to smuggle her in.
Just sayin.
SOTF: That really makes me think! What is the right answer from the lady? Furthermore, is there any reason to think she'd answer honestly?
If she's in the country illegally it's likely she won't speak enough English for this conversation to even take place so everything is academic.
If she tells me she is not working to pay off the bond to smuggle her in, i.e., she's there strictly voluntarily, I don't think I'd have a problem if she were legal or illegal. As for services, it would then be, as they say, "Anything else that may or may not occur is a matter of personal preferences between consenting adults."
BUT, if she is working to pay off the bond, hell, we're talking about SLAVERY. That creates serious problems for me. Obviously, there's nothing I can do to change the situation and if I tried she would certainly not appreciate it -- she'd likely face deportation. . .or worse from her "master". On the other hand, I don't want to be a party to creating human misery.
Perhaps, giving her my business, including a reasonable tip, will be a step toward helping her buy her freedom.
Whether or not it was your intent, you have thrown a major ethical dilemma at me.
I'd really like to hear what others have to say on this subject, particularly if there's a lady out there with some experience in the matter.
That said, there are many gals who are here more or less against their free will, and then there are others who are thrilled to be here given what life would have been like back in Korea, or whereever.
I have gotten to know a handful of Korean gals well over a long period of years, and I know that this life is good for them and is what they want.
I'm sure that for others, not so much.
By the way, they do have green cards. I have seen them.
So, if the possibility of seeing someone who is working under some form of duress is a problem, then AMPS are not for you.
But consider the conditions the person who assembled your HDTV, cell phone, patio set, etc. is working under too. Is is so very different?
No offense meant to you SOTF, but, just sayin'...
Fish, I know you love your AMP's, but the truth is, every day we learn how very prevalent human traficking is in this country, and the vast majority of traficking incidents are taking place in AMPs.
Comparing the guy who assembles your HDTV who is quite likely an illegal and earning crappy wages is no comparison at all to a woman who is forced to have sex with strangers against her will. At least the guy doesn't feel as though his most intimate and personal space has been violated.
I celebrate and revel in the freedom and sexuality that being a provider gives me. I truly LOVE what I do. I can't begin to imagine the mental and emotional horror a woman must go through if she were forced into this occupation. This is not an occupation for all women.
And DO NOT KID YOURSELF. Women who are forced into providing to satisfy whatever bond or fee they were charged to be smuggled here don't get away from providing like it was nothing. They are shipped around the country, a month here, a few weeks there, and somehow, that huge bond they have to work off never seems to be paid off.
I never realized how serious the problem was until we had a bust here in KC. Half a dozen AMPs were busted in a single day. Nearly 70 women were taken into custody. Not one of them was here legally. Every last woman had been bonded into service to satisfy the cost of smuggling them. Several of them claimed to have been adbucted from their home country and brought here. A few also claimed that their families back home were threatened.
Yes, its a serious problem. Don't think for a minute that your handful of examples represents the norm. It doesn't. I've seen dozens of threads on this board about AMPs, and I've never voiced any opposition to it. I've known about the problem of traficking for a long time, but only recently have come to realize how very serious, and how VERY widespread it is. Now I feel ashamed that I've never spoken out against it before.
If she makes eye contact back, you're half way there, especially if she smiles.
There will come an awkward pause, and maybe a question of the likes of: "Is there anything else I can do for you today?"
Your response should be something like: "Are extras availiable?"
If you can't take it from there, you're in the wrong hobby.
Some of your conduct should be gauged by the place.
Does it seem legit?If so, you may need to look for subtle, or not so subtle signs from the masseuse. Depending on your level of comfort, you may want to brush your hands "accidentally" against her and look to see what her response is.
If your at an AMP, and she is dressed in a sexy dress, then she will definitely let you know by her actions. You can also help things along by brushing your hands against parts of her body to gauge her response. Generally in an AMP, you'll get "the shower" and you'll know how it's going to go by how she scrubs "everything".
Zome massage parlors are rip off joints and operate within the law... But the girls are trained to hint at services not available...
I am really good with my mouth can mean "I talk a good game."
Condoms can be for use on toys the lady may use on herself.
I worked in a really smooth operation in Illinois that was never busted because nothing illegal happened, yet some guys parted with 1000 for the VIP room that had a sexy canopy bed, toys, condoms and porn. Of course they thought they would be getting more..
Basically they got the same thing you got in any other room. An erotic rubdown, a show and you finished yourself by hand.
And if you touched the lady a scary bouncer threw you out.
So make sure its not a rip off joint.
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