The way is has worked for me in the past is that the lady asks for the main switchboard of your employer (which can be easily verified via the internet) she calls the main number and asks to be connected to you. If your receptionist asks who is calling she makes up some crap (and this is the complicated part). When connected with me she would say something like "this is so and so and I'm looking forward to meeting you" and then hang up.
Once you get some references and/or are set up with a screening site, many ladies will never know your last name. I can't really recall the last time I provided it ... maybe 5 or 6 providers ago. If asked I will provide it of course, but I don't volunteer it because you never know when an e-mail could get misdirected. I guess I have it a bit easier because my first name is unusual so that is all that is generally needed. If my name were John it might be a bit different.
Posted this on the Newbie board but never got a straight answer. A provider or verification service calls your place of work to screen you. Is the purpose to talk to you personally to make sure that you indeed work there? Or is the purpose to talk at your admin assistant to make sure that you work there? In other words, if you arrange the "cover" call, do you need to be in your office to receive it?
if you're using an alias like most of us, that call will likely result in one confused admin and a big fat NO, you don't work there to the provider. That'll be enough for her to turn you down assuming she ever speaks to you again.
If you're using your real name in this hobby, you're playing with fire. There's little risk with her calling your place of employment unless something goes wrong and she gets angry at you. Just remember the power she holds over you when she knows where you work and who you really are. Not good...
"If you're using your real name in this hobby, you're playing with fire....Just remember the power she holds over you when she knows where you work and who you really are. Not good..."
Excuse me? You're suggesting that clients lie about their names to the providers who are making themselves vulnerable to them-- behind closed doors?
That's a perfect set-up for a bad guy to do whatever he wants-- and then get away without any repurcussions whatsoever... because he's John Doe.
The implication that well-reviewed providers blackmail their clients-- well, that's about as insulting as it gets.
No wonder you use an alias even to post here.
I do agree with everything else you say.
Guys, only give out the information that you feel comfortable giving, but if you won't even give your real name don't be surprised if none of the ladies want to be BCD with a potential axe murderer.
The whole purpose of screening is for the lady's safety, giving an alias defeats the whole purpose. On a more practical note for those who don't give a crap about the ladies they see. If you give an alias at least eight of ten of the providers you try to see will catch you. The only ones who won't are the dumb ones and those are the ones that are going to get you and her busted.
How bout we make you a provider for the day..
Lock you up in a hotel room with 8-10 strange men a day.. and perhaps you will think differently..
You have quite the cast of stars on your review log- So what you are saying is :
All those girls youve revieweddo not screen ? you give them false info and they dont check it out ?
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm
If you lock him up in a hotel room with 8-10 strange men a day, he'll WALK funny!!!
I wouldn't want to see someone who meets 8-10 men a day either. I'm not into the assembly line approach.
black mail you! Geesh! Are you serious with this crap?! Please say you just had a brain fart and try not to let it happen again! Yikes!
These ladies are putting themselves in rooms with complete strangers, and trusting that we are who we say we are. In return, they expect us to show an equal amount of trust in them. Whether it's through a verification site, or directly with the lady, some personal information needs to be shared.
White Knight?...Maybe
Common Sense?...I think so
Wanna get laid?...Definitely.
that everyone is hatin' on Tony. I have never been with a provider that has told me her real name. One of them said that if we run into someone she knows then she guesses that I would find out her real name. i dont know where they live, have no means of ever reaching them again except their "work" phone. Except for the physical size of hobbist and provider there can be just as much damage done either way. I am also surprised that people think that an unscrupulous provider/driver would not blackmail an unsuspecting provider?? OH, there have been female axe murderers you know.....
Signed
Lizzy Borden
screening is the primary method for a provider to make sure we are safe. We have TER...they have nothing but other provider or work references.
she doesn't have to see you either.
the ladies have already arrived at the hotel, and the clock starts when they arrive, not when he arrives...
So he better run his buttocks over to the Marriott pronto, while there is still enough time for him to have a quicky...
and no, I will not leave a call back number, just give him that message and tell him it's from Huggy Bear!
QED
Does anyone have a sense of humor any more?
or remember S&H?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&H_Green_Stamps
I know, I know, Starsky and Hutch, just fooling with ya. Now send over some of your foxy mommas.
Lemme put it this way...
Allstate wasn't the first "Good Hands" people.
Huggy Bear!
QED
Two different answers from the two verification services I am with
1. Date-check, called until they actually reached me at my ext and from there I was verified. So you needed to be there at your office. DISCLAIMER: This was 4 years ago, so it may have changed
2. P411, left a name and number for a ficticous person that I returned the call but the number itself was ficticious, just in case someone else returned the call. Instead they sent a message to your private e-mail with the correct number, called and verified with them.
Hope this helps
Thanks. Very helpful. In my office, I'm the one who is "large and in charge". Any call can come in from anywhere. No problem. It's just that I'm rarely physically in my office so I'm trying to figure out the logistics of being verified.
Date-Check & Preferred411 are very workable, if you decide to go that route. They will make the proper arrangements to suit your needs.
I don't mind the screening call at work: I work solo, so I can give anyone any name I want. I am going to be the only one there to pick up the phone.
However, how do you get by with giving the provider or a third party (e.g., Date-Check) an alias? Won't they check the name against--well, something?
If I can get by with an alias, all the better. The provider is using one. I guess I just assumed that if I tried, it would get picked up in the screening process and I would get blacklisted.
Can someone elaborate?
"If I can get by with an alias, all the better. The provider is using one. I guess I just assumed that if I tried, it would get picked up in the screening process and I would get blacklisted."
Please go back to where it was stated about 8 out of 10 providers will catch you if you use an alias and will not see you and those 2 who don't...how can they protect you if they can not protect themselves.
I could go on and on about how we are putting our lives, bodies and safety at risk and how we have reviews, websites, thread histories, chat histories, blogs and yes, people can bc about us so that whole "Providers use and alias so why can't I?" theory is moot.
Why shouldn't you use an alias? Because we face being raped, murdered, kidnapped, physically beaten to within inches of our lives, maimed/disfigured, robbed, drugged, arrested. outed,etc,etc,etc. I need your real name to make sure I am safe. Sociopaths and psychopaths never mind the garden variety thug haunt this hobby and they know how to change all other identifiable info except...legal names.
Nothing is ever 100% but why should I have to pull teeth or compromise my safety because you want to use an alias?
DON'T USE AN ALIAS!
She does for a reason. She has more to lose than you do, unless you're a high ranking political official. Not only are you a risk to short pay her, but you could beat/rape/kill her. Later, using her real name, you could get the info necessary to stalk her. Given the number of guys even a low volume provider sees in her career, that risk of not screening is huge.
The initial reaction is typically that the guy is at risk too. True enough, but the lady has reviews, and you can back channel the guys that have seen her. If you are truly concerned about giving her some information, you can PM guys to confirm that she's not psycho. After all that, if you still have concerns, don't give her the info, and risk that you'll not hear back from her.
yes she the lady is most likely Not using her real name. Yet there is a history tied to her name, profile, pictures, websites reviews Ter handle and so on. Her provider persona is identifiable. An alias as a gentlemen, is truely annonymous,to the lady it is not safe and not acceptable.
Thanks for responding.
I apologize if the question seemed inappropriate. My intentions are to be honest, discreet, and safe. Period. If I can do that anonymously, all the better. If I can't, well, that's just a risk assessment I'll have to make.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback, and once again, no offense intended.
A main component of screening is to verify that you are who you say that you are. How the heck do you think you can do that anonymously?!
Hence my question, "However, how do you get by with giving the provider or a third party (e.g., Date-Check) an alias? Won't they check the name against--well, something?"
Hey, it's a question, and this is the place for them. This board is specifically for the ones that might catch hell elsewhere.
I hope that you didn't think I was lecturing you. My intent was more to explain why it's the way it is. As many ladies as I've seen, I still take quite a while to settle in on my next date. It's important to me that she's as concerned about me as I am about her. If she'd agree to see me, thinking that I'm Phil, I'd be elsewhere.
You would be doing yourself a big disservice to use an alias. First of all, it's not smart as you won't pass screening and will likely end up on a Do Not See list of one or many girls. Secondly, even if the fake info checked out - most of us ask for IDs on the first date.
I have to say after 5 yrs of providing that I find those using aliases as dangerous people or complete idiots or both. I would strongly suggest you see reputable people and don't fall into that paranoia trap. We have worked long and hard for our reputations and aren't going to risk them on... what? NOTHING. Clearly paranoid folks getting by with aliases are risking themselves by using girls who don't screen or check IDs. You know, LE doesn't care what name you use to make your appt under? And someone NOT screening is more likely to be a problem for you than one that does.
Date-check and P411 are third parties that have earned a great reputation amongst providers and the providers on those sites were screened by them as legitimate as well. good luck
Just sign up with P411
well, if you answer your own phone that is not going to help you but I think and I don't know if it is much used where you want to play but rs2k or roomservice2000.com is the easiest, safest, best way I know of.
It safest for the girl and you, especially if she has an ad on there too.
If you run into a provider who is that slack on screening you, then I'd bet she is LE, addict of some type who may screw you in more ways than one.
None of which is fun or you won't want to repeat! lol
this is anabangbang and i just need him to call me back to verify he's not axe murderer before i agree to have a session with him.
but i never say what kind of session !!!
its probably an individual hobbyist preference whether or not they want to be there.
The way is has worked for me in the past is that the lady asks for the main switchboard of your employer (which can be easily verified via the internet) she calls the main number and asks to be connected to you. If your receptionist asks who is calling she makes up some crap (and this is the complicated part). When connected with me she would say something like "this is so and so and I'm looking forward to meeting you" and then hang up.
Once you get some references and/or are set up with a screening site, many ladies will never know your last name. I can't really recall the last time I provided it ... maybe 5 or 6 providers ago. If asked I will provide it of course, but I don't volunteer it because you never know when an e-mail could get misdirected. I guess I have it a bit easier because my first name is unusual so that is all that is generally needed. If my name were John it might be a bit different.
Not many guys out there with the first name, Trygger...Only a horse that I can recall.
to find out all they need to know about you. Their safety is of utmost importance.
ya know, if you're seeing an established and reviewed provider, she's been doing this for a while. Most will call to speak with you but no one calls HR and says, "hi I'm a Ho does John work there?" Many companies call employers to verify someone works there: property mngt., storage places, flower deliverers, rent a center. It's not an a-typical call. I understand the nerves from doing new things but it's not as heavy and dramatic as most make it out to be.
Be careful with calling and asking about employement status. At some employers that will raise red flags. Be especially careful about making up any "cover stories." As with guys who use aliases, most of those lies are easily discovered by anybody who decides they want to care.
Since any company large enough to run it's own switchboard (and these days that's just about anybody with more than 25 employees) will have access to the calling number, it can come back to haunt you too!
(It is a common misconception that by blocking caller ID you are preventing anybody from knowing who is calling. A modern digital switch of the sort used by most businesses will always have that information available using ANI data that is transmitted on every call. If it's a cell number you're calling from, they'll know that too.)
Simplest way to avoid any such problems is to just call up the central number and ask for the guy. Either they can connect you or they can't. That gives you the answer you need and usually you don't need to come up with a lie that can be easily disproven. If asked, say "I lost his personal number." Happens all the time and unlikely to be remembered or noticed for more than 30 seconds.
The more information you make up, the more information they'll have to hang you and/or your client with. I had a situation a few years ago where a girl called me and -- thinking that she would sound more professional -- told the receptionist that she was calling from a large brokerage firm. Unfortunately, I was working for a boutique financial firm at the time, and the company she claimed to be calling from was on a restricted list. Her little white lie caused the receptionist to flag it to compliance, who wondered why I was getting calls from somebody claiming to be working for a competitor, from an unregistered cellphone. I told them I had no clue who it was or how she had my name, and it ended with a warning to be careful about identity thieves and/or idustrial espionage. If she had just called up and asked for me without making up anything, nobody would have noticed or cared.
I was actually OK with providers calling my work, and never had a problem because of it. In the early days it made getting verified very easy.
For their own safety the ladies want to verify that you are who you say you are, try to give up the information they need, and just have fun.