and fullfilling experiences. Otherwise, YMMV big time as in NCNS, B & S, etc.
hi ter folks, I'm new on this..the story is very simple. I contact a provider, and she said she was available for the same night. She said what the donation and I said, ok, but I offer more just to come at my place on my time of choice (10pm). We exchanged e-mail, then she call me to confirm...I sended Yahoo map to easy located my apt and...well she never show up...at 11:30pm I send her an e-mail to give my 'congratulations" for not showing up, not even send a message or a call. She had an ad on Cityvibe. Also after a couple of days she posted an ad on cityvibe erotic service. So I took a change to post a comment...her ad now disappear, and she is not in the ad anymore. I should post a review on TER about her? Please give me advices, and thanks to everybody...
Unfortunately, you can't post a review since money didn't change hands. It's frustrating that you have no recourse except crossing her off your list. You can never avoid that pitfall completely; last week I wasted 90 min round trip to see a very highly respected provider - she didn't answer her phone when I got across town to the complex (I even emailed the night before to remind her).
Suggestion - when I'm hitting the road for incall and I haven't seen the provider before, I bring back-up phone numbers b/c once I get cleaned up and ready to screw, I'm gonna get some! That strategy paid off last week when the provider no-showed.
This is referred to as nc/ns. no call no show.
Part of the hobby experience. It will happen from time to time. Don't dwell on it, it happens to experienced hobbyist as well. Did you check the providers reviews on TER. Also do you have vip membership? IMHO be careful about inviting a provider you are seeing for the first time to your apartment, especially if she has no reviews. Good luck
Maybe she got busted before she went to see you ? LOL
Never know -
it may be a good thing she never showed-
Move on, there are thousands of others
Why complain, you saved some money
gotcha!!! new add in the vocabulary: nc/ns.
Good point: let's move forward.
No I'm not a VIP member...trying to see provider and post review...
The main issue for me is that since I'm a newbie I can see only new providers...who screening process is more soft and they are more likely to come to my place...but on the other side since they are new they do not have review on TER...so it's like a jumbo-mombo problem...they new do not ask for references, which the prof do...
so it's like a cat trying to catch her tail LOL...how do I get out of this circle? So this increase the probability of getting nc/ns..
As a newbie (I was not that long ago) you need to read the whole newbie manual at the top. You need to invest time to read back on this board, your local regional board (to the left) and at least some on the rest. You need to understand separate e-mail, hobby phone, where to call from, 2 call system.
Then buy VIP, learn to use searches (phone number, stage name, separately. Yes it costs a little but way less than a spoiled date.
There's not much you can do about NCNS... but there's really no excuse for it. Cars break down, I got stuck in weather related traffic & had to call & cancel. She could get sick, or be in an auto accident. But the offending party should call ASAP "as soon as possible", should appologize, generally offers to reschedule. NCNS, by defination you never know why the date didn't happen. Totally unprofessional.
BTW, as a New member reviews of a new provider might not get posted right away (nor VIP credits given). This is a safeguard against providers self reviewing... for our protection. (Other provider pay sites don't do it this way... but you can not count on the "reviews".
skb
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and fullfilling experiences. Otherwise, YMMV big time as in NCNS, B & S, etc.
a damn phone call takes 3 secs!! and there is NO excuse why a Provider can't do this! If she values her reputation a Provider would have the sense to call and give whatever excuse she has to give..and this goes BOTH ways when it comes to a Hobbyist cancelling ...A cell phone is not a new invention and everyone has one and knows how to use it! It's unprofessional, and just plain inconsiderate because if she called early enough maybe you could have hooked up with another Provider that was probably sitting home doing nothing.
Jay
Hi LadyJayLa,
the things that struck me is that she called me to confirm...so really no excuse. Furthermore, her ad on cityvibe after the fact suddenly disappear...she had a top ad...she posted again on cityvibe erotic service and I again post my comment...now I do not now if the staff of Cityvibe can check if she is real. From my research I found a review of her on TNA Review, October 2008.
Before scheduling the appointment we exchanged several e-mail, and she seems nice and professional, about 3 week ago. But again, she never responded to my e-mail after the fact. Now if making a call by cell phone has not excuse, then not sending an e-mail to say at least something (sorry, wherever) or to explain has not excuse either...so in the end, provider who play the nc/ns do not hurt themselves (assuming that she is real one), but as you said hurt other provider 'sitting home and doing nothing."
NCNS's a provider she is losing income because of time set aside for him that goes unused.
But
when a provider NCNS's a client, she may be denying income to another provider....
hadn't thought of it that way before. This point of view deserves a larger airing
Why yes, I am sure that is the FIRST thing on a girls mind - another girls bills -
Gregory , I swear you just type to see yourself type sometimes- I'm going to start calling you Doogie Howser
CMON LOL
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I think if i understood him and his post correctly, that the comment i made about nc/ns is a bitch, because another girl is sitting home when SHE could have been the one making money..
Just another way of looking at a nc/ns
Jay
and perhaps this nuance will be lost on many. However, LadyJayLa's post raises an interesting point. Refer to beautifulmind68s response below my post for a more intelligent analysis than my brief blurb..... and thanks to LadyJayLa for pointing out this aspect of the NCNS dynamic.
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To elaborate a bit more:
2) the nc/ns is in the context of the exchange time for money as specific case of so-called "market failure." That is: once a transaction is not happening, whatever the causes, this generate a market failure. Now, the nc/ns represents a case of market failure because of the provider activity related with nc/ns produced a negative exernality to another agent/s (co-provider and client) in a way that is not reflected in the market transaction. Aware or not, once this happen there is misallocation of resources...which explain LadyJayLa disappointment: she knows exactly what the consequences of nc/ns were right away.
One way to correct market failure is by taxing LOL: if each provider will be taxed to a low amount each time she produce nc/ns that tax will be considered a remuneration to other provider that were damaged by her action; that will counterbalance the misallocation of resource within the market and she won't get out of business...
PS: A zero-sum game is defined as a game in which winning for one player are losses for other player. So technically speaking, the nc/ns is not a pure zero-sum game...the reason being of course that the player (the provider) in this case did not win something that were losses to other player...So nc/ns is technically a negative-sum game, a game in which loosing for one player are losses for other players...LOL
Hopefully, other providers would not pursue such game as their main career...LOL
Hi Gregory,
we can elaborate in this way:
1) the nc/ns has opportunity cost for both side of the equation i.e. provider and client; an opportunity cost in microeconomics is define as the cost of giving something in order to obtain something else; example: if you buy an apple you forgive to buy an orange...
a provider who nc/ns's does forgive a service in order of buying nothig...so her opportunity cost are zero; the client's opportunity cost are also zero, because he forgive the service in order of buying nothing...
the nc/ns is a zero-sum game...but the equation is not perfect because there are externalities associated with zero-sum game: in this case, the provider damaged herself (so-called reputation or trust cost), and her co-providers (i.e. the substitution cost: by cheating she forgive other provider to provide a service)...and of course damaged the client who forgive the opportunity cost of engaging another provider for nothing...
Of course, the assumptions is that she is a provider...which I doubt. In any case, the key point is that in the zero-sum game of nc/ns, the externalities produce a domino-effect damages...and by in large these damages are on the side of the providers, less so for clients.