Hi all! I have done a few couples appointments and really enjoyed them, but I got a request from an established client for a doubles appointment. I haven't done doubles with other providers yet. I can't help wondering how a guy can stand to spend SOOOO much money.
Can the men and women alike enlighten me as to how doubles work exactly? I've only communicated with other providers for references, never recruited them for doubles. I was thinking I'd ask my client what his price range for a second girl is? My rates are high and I can't imagine he wants to spend double my rates, but who knows. I also hope, as far as client expectations, that people don't lower their hourly rates when they are half of a double as opposed to regular appointments.
Thanks in advance for your help, it's new territory for me!
There can be a lot that can go wrong in a double session if the two gals are not totally sympatico.
I would develop some escort friends and if you feel really good about them, inquire with them if they would ever like to do double session with a client.
For his part, the client should be very famniliar with at least one of the gals, and if he has seen both, so much the better.
Familiarity in a double session is a big plus.
As for what happens, that can vary:
Some guys seek out doubles because they want to see the two gals get it on with each other, and then join in.
Other guys want both gals to be all about him.
In some cases, a guy just wants to be with one gal at a time while the other watches.
It's all good.
As for rates, there is usually a break since the overhead to arrange the meeting is shared.
Typically the rate will be about 75% of what each gal would charge.
You can visit a lot of gals' sites where they list charges for doubles and see what the market is like in your area.
Have fun with this.
Thanks a lot! Very straightforward and practical reply. I honestly like keeping my distance from other providers. I'm sure there are some great gals out there I'd get along with famously. However, when I was a stripper, I befriended a girl who ended up completely pillaging my apartment. She stole 6K worth of stuff and since then, I am VERY VERY wary of supposedly well-meaning other girls. Anyhow, if this doubles thing happens, it'll be outcall, so no getting robbed risks for me!
ripped off or WORSE if you haven't screened like the dickens. Outcall is NOT necessarily all good.
Yep, that's true. This guy's an established client, though, so I have a certain level of trust.
With both envelopes.
Trust, but verify.
If the gent is your client, ask him to prepare two envelopes and to make sure you get yours.
I like doubles and have done several. However, I would NEVER do a doubles session with ladies that had never either been together by themselves or as a doubles team. For me it's about mutual interaction amongst everyone, but as mrfisher points out, you need to understand your clients fantasy. I will say, though, even if your client is not that interested in the ladies interactions, it is my opinion that the session works better if the ladies are physically and sexually comfortable with each other.
Both ladies should also have similar service levels. Multiple cover changes are the name of the game here, but it can be off-putting after a point. Consider female condoms as one way to improve on this.
Try to get an idea of the kind of lady your partner is interested in. She may be just like you or completely different, or he may not care. I would look at the pool of providers that might fit both your criteria and go from there.
As for your question about rates, you need to have two conversations. One with your client and one with your provider partner. This has been discussed before, and while each lady can set her own rate, if one lady is charging $$$ and you're charging $$$$$, then there is potential for drama long term. If this is a one-time thing, maybe not an issue. If this could be a longer term business relationship, then I would look for ways to make a more equitable arrangement.
Does your client know that you've never done doubles before and don't really have any provider friends? If I knew that about a lady, I wouldn't dream of having her set up a doubles session for me. Just a guess here, but it sounds like he's obsessed about doing two girls no matter what and has little or no experience with it. Not a promising setup.
On the other hand, the fact that you've enjoyed couples sessions is a good sign. Is this what you want to do, or something you feel obligated to try in order to keep a good client happy?
...unless one's is providing more menu items than the other. I don't do doubles very often but the only time I felt it fair to give the other provider $50 more is when she provided greek and I do not. I once went to a 4 hour double in which she quoted her price to her client and then found an ad where I had a dinner date/incall special that was 300 less than her 4hr rate and she quoted that rate. I wrongly assumed we were making the same money, doing the same job, it was outcall, the same menu, same time spent. I was pissed and let it be known that I thought that wasn't appropriate. He was kind enough to offer to bump up my fee but I asked her to split that 300 instead. She was pissed but she has been in this business for some time and knew better. She dragged me along to make the appointment do-able, basically and was taking advantage IMO.
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I've really enjoyed couples sessions, but doubles just seem to have so much room for controversy. I really like the chemistry of working with a couple who is making an effort to liven up their sex life. But doubles and dealing with a rate difference with another girl etc seems tough. I suppose it'd be nice to go to some meet and greets and get to know other ladies in person.
Just make sure you're on the same page with your doubles partner before going into the session. Don't leave any room for guessing whose getting what. If she has a slightly higher rate than me and does things different than me I don't mind making a little less but it's nice if she lowers her rate some to match mine. If she has a slightly lower rate than me I don't mind lowering mine a bit so we make the same amount. I also consider who got the room if its incall. If it was my partner I give her a little to cover her expenses. Meeting a possible partner first helps, so does going with my gut like you do with clients. I don't seek out doubles partners who charge alot more or alot less than me. Doesn't seem fair.
I got lucky in how I found the 2 other girls for doubles. One of them was a provider who briefly worked with me back when we were both agency signed, we actually went on a double and became friends. The other girl that I use for doubles is my friend she doesn't work independently and only does doubles with me. You can try posting on the provider board here or maybe one of your friends is down... Just be warned tough, my friend and I have always been a bit kinky and have had 3ways before I asked her about client doubles.
Where are you located? I'm always looking for new girls to double up with (message me for a better response 
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Since you are the provider is works how you say it does, obviously!
A few things you should know.
-Even though you are technically competing with each other you should be acquainted with several other working girls in your area. If you get to know them well enough you may have a good business partner. Someone who can refer clients to you when she catches a cold. Someone you can do group jobs with and trust to be reliable. In extreme situations, someone who can bail you out of jail or at least call a lawyer.
-I already gave this advice elsewhere but I'll do it here too. You should ask your regular clients if they see other girls and if so, who they like. Find those girls on the internet or whatever and make contact. Ask if they want a business partner for the occasional 2 girl show or to handle referrals. Many will say no, either cuz they are scared you are a cop, a rotten business parter (unrealiable, druggie, etc) or perhaps potential competition who may steal their favorite clients.
Eventually a girl will say yes and then you two should meet somewhere to discuss working together. Who sets up the appointments, exactly which services to provide and how much to charge, and all the other details.
All of this could take time so the customer who asked may have to wait a week or so while you interview or run practice sessions with some girls.
DO NOT TAKE THIS SCREENING PROCESS LIGHTLY! Remember, the other gal could be a junkie, psycho, cop, snitch, desperate mom with lots of troubles, wife looking to catch her husband, idiot who cant manager her life or finances, etc. In fact you have about twice as many things to worry about with women as you do with men. Makes you glad to not be a lesbian, huh? 
I recommend only seeking girls who are already established and have a decent reputation. This is also the advantage to working with a service. You can social network and if you tell the service that you are willing to work with other women, they will set you up with gals they know to do it right.
If you want to hear about my experience: It seems in general that a couple of independents getting together usually charge slightly less than their normal fee as a way of encouraging clients to try two girl shows. Services however usually charge full rate for each girl plus a little extra. You could be very competitive if you do it right, but of course you need to iron out all the details with the other woman first.
Eventually if you are known as a team player you may find you have a good sized network of reliable ladies you can contact. This is nice if a girl needs to send work to other women or needs a bunch of people to do a bachelor party. It may also help to avoid law enforcement since everybody (clients and providers) go quiet if things start to get hot. But if you have a reliable friend she may tip you off before you get in trouble.
