I'm new to the hobby and I have only seen 2 woman.  The second I have seen twice because this indy has skills mainly in the cow girl dept. I have had a wonderfull time with her both times and will probably see her again in the future.
Should I trust the provider to get rid of the condom when she cleans me up or should I make sure I get rid of it myself? After reading spearm can last up to an hour in air and 5-7 days in a woman got me thinking.  The indy can save it for later and possibly insert it inside her once I leave.. I use Trojan Magnum XL..

Thinking of swicthing to Spermicdies with next encounter? Any thoughts ladies?

Whats the odds of her being on birth control with in the 2 weeks I met her?

Sorry Im so paranoid.. I guest its that newbie in me.
thanks!!

I think you might be overthinking this whole thing a little bit.  But, if it is of concern for you, then just take care of it yourself (IMHO).

I understand your concern. Since this is a pet peeve of yours and understandably so...make it a point to insist YOU take care of the condom yourself. You dont have to give a reason.

Allure`

Ok, so I have heard (do not personally know) of some ladies purposefully getting impregnated by celebrities, athletes and their boyfriends, but not clients. Where did you get this idea that this actually occurs?!? By chance are you a prominent individual? Perhaps this scenario could happen to you if you had boat loads of money and great status. Otherwise, I do not imagine a provider actually doing such a thing.

If you are concerned about your semen’s whereabouts, say to the provider that you will clean yourself up. Go to the bathroom and flush the condom. Your floaters should be well on their way down the pipes and away from the provider’s eggs by then!

Good luck!

Xoxo,
Gia

*Thanks for the smile. I needed it today!

thanks for the reply.. No I am not wealthy. Just have a average day job, but I am Attractive. Some ladies just want a good looking kid

that any provider is going to want to have your child, when she really doesn't know anything about you. Can it happen? I suppose it could, and probably has, but I would suspect that any lady doing something like this would be a gold digger, and would know that there was something to be had.

If it makes you feel more comfortable, by all means, just insist that you clean yourself up, and dispose of the comdom yourself. I don't think any lady is going to have an issue with it.

Condom do not disintegrate.  Instead wrap it up in toilet paper and toss in the waste basket; or if you are a bit paranoid about leaving behind any evidence, tuck it into your pocket and toss it in a waste can out on the sidewalk.

No fooling:  A long standing massage parlor in Mass got into some serious trouble lately when their sewage backed up.  The City came and tore up the pipes and you can just guess what they found in there.  Talk about an awkward moment.

Just don't want no surprise when I claim my powerball ticket

I would say to use spermicidal condoms -- but I've known some ladies these can't be used with because the nonoxynol in the condom gives them a yeast infection. But you can pick up spermicidal jelly in a small tube at any pharmacy. (It's used with diaphragms) When you clean yourself up, just shoot the condom full of that and squish it around and you're all set.

While I seriously doubt 99% of providers would ever take advantage of the opportunity to impregnate themselves, there's nothing wrong with being paranoid about the 1% because the consequences can be so grave.

Remember, you are personally held responsible for whatever happens to your sperm. A lady could dump it into her lesbian girlfriend that you never met and if she conceives -- congratulations, you just got hosed. In these situations, men don't have rights, they have responsibilities. So I don't blame you for being paranoid at all.

There are times where it is good for someone to think you are stupid, ugly and poor.  (*grin*)

to get pregnant from a client. Unless she's madly in love with you or you're worth millions and she wants some of it, I HIGHLY doubt she's saving your semen to get pregnant. We escorts are in the business for many reasons, getting pregnant isn't one of them!

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/ace+of+base/all+that+she+wants_20003639.html

But that's not what providers want. In the words of Chamillionaire, they're just tryin' to bone, ain't tryin' to have no babies.

Seriously, no lady is going to SAVE YOUR SPERM to IMPREGNATE herself, no matter how really, really ridiculously good-looking you are. Seriously.

But thank you for asking what is now my favorite newbie board question of all time.

What if we were related. I could have reared three-eyed monsters. Just kidding!  Read what Mr. Fisher said.

Hugs,
Ciara

Theres nutritional value in semen, and maybe he won't like an escort getting healthier off his spermies.

Even with the 'lesbian girlfriend' theory, don't you think this hypothetical lesbian couple would rather just go to a sperm bank where the donor has been vetted and the jizz is guaranteed HIV/STD free?
It's not like she can't afford to buy some nice sperm for her girlfriend.

Yeah...he definitely should invest in some spermicide to shoot into his used condoms...
Of course, if he's seen doing this, he might be mistaken for a crazy person...

Like someone else said up top, unless you are an ubber celebrity or Donald Trump (in which case Id expect youd have staff reasearch for you and make the provider sign all types of confidentiality agreements, etc. and your MegaYacht crew would know how to get rid of the "waste") I highly doubt that a provider who's seing you for an HOUR woud want to run to the bathroom the second you leave to get herself PREGNANT! Seriously? LOL
Why would you think anyone would want to have your baby? or any baby for that matter? Did this girl say anything to make you think she might be desperate to get preggos? from you in particular? tha's odd. Im sure any provider could get tons of volunteers if she was interested in getting pregnant. Soubt it would be form some random "hobby" encounter....
Just stay safe, I for one ask gents NOT to flush beacuse, Im all set having to ask for the plumber to come pump out comdoms out of my backed up toilet, I just take the trash out myself and dump it anywhere outside the hotel when I go out for water, dinner, etc.

escorts is a sperm thief.

But I ALSO think that a person's likelihood of doing something that would otherwise be considered immoral or illegal can depend upon a combination of expected financial reward and likelihood/severity of punishment.

For example, the activity discussed as a fantasy on this board is illegal, and generally accepted to be immoral in communities such that police activity is not condemned or subject to public protests. However, people engage in that activity anyway because of the likelihood of deriving financial reward as opposed to the likelihood/severity of punishment. In other words, most escorts would go into another line of work in a hurry if the pay dropped to $3.35/hr. and the likelihood of getting jailed went up to 25% and the minimum jail term were 5 years.

So people WILL do things that are illegal or generally considered to be "bad" if the proper risk/reward scenario is presented.

This happens independently of whether or not the person who would engage in the behavior believes the behavior to be moral. Most people who engage in activity generally considered to be immoral have either adopted a philosophy, religious view, or internal dialog that contradicts the general view and establishes his/her activity to be "good." For an overview of this psychological process, check out the work of criminologist Stanton Samenow.  

I don't know this guy. Maybe, like me, his genes are so good that he gets *paid* for his sperm. Maybe he has an IQ of 160+, stands 6'6", has a bod like Fabio and farts $1,000 bills. Maybe, in that circumstance, the motivation to steal his sperm would be purely biological, and if the lady chose to raise the offspring alone rather than bug him for child support, her odds of discovery would be almost zero. It would also be easy for her to justify internally.

So it isn't a "1 out of 100" escorts thing, it's a perceived reward versus perceived risk thing.

Now -- let me tell you that I came to this the hard way. I met a chick (not a provider) at a Mensa get together around 14 years ago. She was really hot. Super hot. I was single and available, and she seemed really sweet. (And, lets not forget how easily the little head can override the big one.) We went out for about 6 weeks and only had sex a couple of times. She summarily dumped me -- which was cool -- but her urgency to do so seemed a bit odd.

Anyway, a decade later I look her up, and there's a picture of her with her lesbian wife AND what is *obviously* MY son.

Yes, I DID let her "clean me up."

So, yes, this can happen given sufficient motivation and low probability of being caught.

I always check to make sure that my ATF doesn't try to leave with the washcloth that she cleans me up with.  Who knows what she might do with my DNA once she is back at her place.

Not to mention the hotel trying to charge me for a stolen wash cloth....

Hi Lills,

I have no doubt, that even if you were offered a billion dollars to steal a guy's sperm and were guaranteed zero repercussions, you would refrain. That's YOUR personal ethical code.

It is not safe, though, to assume that every provider has your strong internalized ethics. Many providers are banned from this board for various ethical issues; and -- I should add -- many clients are appropriately banned by providers for THEIR ethical issues.

So the fact that YOU or many of the other wonderful providers on this board would never steal a guy's sperm no matter what the motivation doesn't mean that, given sufficient motive, some other provider wouldn't.

Fully 10% of the children born to married couples in this country are not the offspring of the husband. (I can give you lots of citations if you want.) So, evidently, a fair chunk of women have no compunction about tricking a guy into providing time, resources and effort to support offspring that aren't his without his knowledge and consent.

So this idea of pure ethical women is as silly as the notion of pure ethical men.

But -- let me lay out a challenge.

This man's fear stems from an innate legal inequality.

Once a woman conceives, if she doesn't want to have the baby, she can take the morning after pill or even have an abortion. She doesn't have to take responsibility for that child unless she actively chooses to do so. Any child a provider has is a "planned and wanted child," as Jocelyn Elders would say.

On the other hand, once a woman conceives, a man has NO choice as to whether the child will be brought to term, and as to whether or not he will be held responsible for the costs of its care. It need not be either planned or wanted.

THIS is why the man has fear. You may not be able to relate to it, because you are not in that circumstance. You have a "right to choose" that goes beyond choice of having sex to start with; whereas a man does not.

His fear can be resolved very easily by making a new law; specifically, a law that says that a man can only be held responsible for offspring for which he has personally signed his name to the birth certificate AND with a paternity test; thus actively acknowledging his choice to be a father. (The reason for the paternity test at birth is because 10% of kids born to married couples aren't the husband's.)

The challenge is for women, such as yourself, who feel this man's concerns to be silly to MAKE them silly by giving him, effectually, the same "right to choose" that you have.

Are you ready to give men equal rights? Or do you want them to just have "responsibilities?"

Until that inequality is resolved, he will always have that fear; and it will NOT be silly. The task is for good and ethical women who would NEVER carry a man's child without his consent to get the laws changed so that his concerns become silly.

Any takers?

Are you kidding me here?!  This has to be a joke.  If not, throw the dang thing away yourself!  Women use condoms to keep your prescious sperm OUT!  Not to put it back in!  Maybe your psycho girlfriend would pull a stunt like that.  NOT PROVIDERS!  Duh!

I'm sorry but I can no longer in good conscience keep quiet.  I must confess.  How he figured it out, I'll never know.  But yes, I have a large walk in freezer in my basement. Full of nothing but vials of frozen sperm from hundreds and hundreds of men.

Now you know my diabolical plan.  I've been waiting for just the right time.  Keeping my industrial size turkey baster well oiled for that special day.  

Now that he has found me out, I fear I must put my plan into action before it's too late.  I have already dumped each vial into the baster and have inserted it deep into my money maker.

My plan?  To be like Octo-mom times a thousand.  I will carry the babies of all my previous clients. Yes, all of them. Then, after they're born, I will sue for child support. I will be a billionaire.  Bwwwaaaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaa.

If they are, and you have some of that medicine, lots of girlfriends and wives would benefit if you will share the recipe!

But, in the news, it seems that your particular immunity may not apply to all providers. (Some links to providers drugging and killing people, blackmailing and extorting below.)

Now, granted, murder is not sperm thievery. And, also, providers murdering people is relatively rare. So is drugging and robbing. But they DO happen.

BUT -- I suspect that despite your own personal immunity to unethical behavior; if murderers, druggers, robbers, blackmailers and extrotionists exist among providers, lesser criminality also does.

This is not to paint with a wide brush. All of the providers I have met (only 5) have been exceptional people in various ways. Most are way smarter than average, certainly prettier than average, engaging and possessed of incredibly strong internal ethical systems. In many respects, those providers I have met are "ideal people."

I would even go so far as to say that the providers I've met confirm the "benevolent universe premise."

You, likely, fall into that category as well. And if you do -- that's wonderful. Based on my limited experience, I would say the overwhelming preponderance of escorts do.

However, just being a provider in and of itself does not render one immune to being a psycho or criminally inclined.

Links are below. Laugh if you like, but when a lady hangs out her shingle as a provider -- it is not being a provider that dictates her ethics, but her own internal compass. I'm glad you have a good one.


Links follow.

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Provider bilks old dude of $20k for nothing:
http://www.thestar.com/article/644571

"High class" Prostitute kills banker
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1192003/High-class-prostitute-court-shooting-billionaire-banker-lover-dead.html?ITO=1490

Prostitute on trial for administering a fatal dose of a sedative before robbing client:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-22617937.html

Gay escort murders client: http://www.examiner.com/a-2056786~Gay_escort_killing_trial_to_jury.html

Provider blackmails client:
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Prostitute-denies-helping-blackmail-39pervert.5310493.jp

Provider pleads guilty to blackmailing businessman:
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2009/05/22/news/state/33-prostitution.txt

Provider in Boston extorts married business man for hundreds of thousands:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/05/02/prostitute_who_extorted_money_to_serve_full_sentence/

Escort drugs and robs a man in Beverly Hills:
http://insiderescortsecrets.com/wordpress/news/mystery-woman-drugs-robs/

Client dies after being drugged by prostitute in vegas:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-70889249.html

LA High Class Prostitutes Slipping some Mickeys:
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=LA&p_theme=la&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EF513012A46A29F&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date&s_trackval=GooglePM

Darn it John Galt!!

Now you've ruined all my fun!  

I read this post last night and couldn't wait to see the myriad of witty ripostes in response.  Then I log on today, giddy with anticipation, and you have to go throw a logical wet blanket on my total amusement.

How dare you!

Not that I haven't enjoyed some of the banter, but I have to admit I did not think this issue through entirely.  But you have to admit, the original post and the "I'm so hot that ladies are lining up for my sperm" response didn't quite fully flesh out the intricacies of the subject.

Now, back to the other posts.

PS:  I am setting up a sperm bank for providers that want to be Sperm Thieves (LOVE that term - could make a good thriller movie).  I will make a deposit of my gold-plated sperm and am taking application from other interested Hobbyists.

Ladies?  Any takers?  

Unless the (john gent hobbyist client customer) was a NBA, NFL, pro hockey player etc...making 3million plus a year getting preggo by a regular every day joe is not a providers idea of a good time.  We make wayyyyy more than most of you alls child support would ever be.  But if you want to take your nut bag with you by all means do so lol.  (question what the heck did the condom being magnum xl have to do with anything)

& Bradd Pitt, they wanted to see ME
And the following day I screened a guy and when he filled out the IQ portion GUESS WHAT!!!!????? It WAS 160............
Please! LMAO~

Kitten asked:
"question what the heck did the condom being magnum xl have to do with anything"

I wondered the same thing.

But then it dawned on me.  The OP has balls almost as big as his ego, so his loads are proportionally larger.  Therefore, the XL is all the better to corral all those extra millions of invaluable sperm.

One deposit from him could break the Sperm Bank.

Besides, us guys like to casually mention how gigantic our c*cks are.

I'm (hung) sure that you have noticed (my big schlong) that Corvettes are still (almost as big as my dick) selling, even in the largest (like my penis) recession since the Great (big willy) Depression.


 

sorry...but this may be very serious to you. but partden me....this is the funniest piost I have read on this board in along time. thanks for the giggle... BTW
just curious what did the magnumxl have to do with it. Did the provider seem to want a long dicked baby by you????
sorry I am a smart ass at times..

Has nothing to do with ethics.  Having a random guy's baby is not a viable employment option.
Even if it were, I don't want some random guy's baby.  Most women do not want some random guy's baby. Most women who do want a random guy's baby utilize a sperm bank.
Plus...then you're stuck with a baby.  A baby that you have to take care of...for 18 years.  Plus college.  And they're expensive, those babies...and the word on the street is, they're exhausting...it's the hardest thing a person can do--raising a kid...at least, so I've heard.

And no, I'm not so ethical...if I were going to get a billion dollars for 9 months of pregnancy (during which, of course, I would only be hired by the pregnancy fetishists) and 18 years of single motherhood, yeah...I'd snatch that sperm and march it right on down to the gyno's office--after it had been tested for the all the funky shit it could potentially be harboring...some of which could leave me sterile, hence shuttering my billion dollar baby maker before I even had a chance to cash the check.  And then I'd have it checked for genetic abnormalities...and then I'd be rich!!!

Like you said, you have a choice whether to have sex or not.  You also have a choice to use condoms and accept the consequences if the condom fails.  And as the gentleman with the vasectomy stated, you have that choice to.
Have a rally and burn your jockstrap if you want John, but  I'm not really feeling your victimhood here...or taking your far-fetched semen-absconding fantasy seriously.

It starts with "I'm clean, I've been tested..."  
I'm sure I'm not alone in this request...
If one of us wanted to make a fortune having babies--'cause, you know, that's an option...why wouldn't she just go with the guy begging for it?

Well, at least I wasn't a financial victim. And totally wasn't a story. I don't even feel particularly victimized -- probably, if she had consulted me, I would have agreed. She could have just told me she was a lesbo and we could have done things right (i.e. through a sperm bank so I would have legal protections) instead of going with a sham relationship.

Even though you'd steal the sperm for the right price, I'd trust you anyway.

But if you don't think civie women ever lie to get pregnant; you haven't been paying attention. And if you don't think lesbian women have ever used a known man to get pregnant -- often without his understanding -- you are naive.

I have a hard time accepting the implicit notion that just being a provider would automatically make a woman more morally inclined than a civie woman. I'd suspect it to be about the same. Same for hobbyists.

Yes, kids are expensive and time consuming -- but very rewarding too. I think you've mentioned before that many providers have kids and stuff. I know a couple with kids. It apparently didn't stop them from being escorts.

Yes -- I donated to a sperm bank moons ago. In CT. If you draw from it, maybe you'll get to have my baby too. (*grin*) I have no idea how long they keep sperm -- presumably it has all expired by now.

But you fail to address the fundamental of the difference in after-conception rights between men and women; which difference lies at the heart of the original poster's concern.

Telling me to go burn my jockstrap is not helpful. That is because women have rights, and men have responsibilities. Anytime men try to secure rights, they are seen as dodging responsibility so it doesn't work.

The only solutions to have equality are to diminish women's post-conception rights; or increase men's post-conception rights. Obviously, I'd rather see the latter.

The latter can only be done with the activism of women. Until women pitch in on this, they will be confronted, from time to time, with concerns like this from men; along with the consequences of those concerns.

I'm lucky -- I've been blessed to live a charmed life. Not everyone can say that.

And of course, a rational woman (i.e. you) wouldn't have the child of some random guy.

You would choose to have the child of a man who exhibited traits you wanted in your own offspring.

And it wouldn't have to be about money.

Let's face it -- you're a very smart lady. I have no idea what your other skills are, but I hear stories all the time of part time escorts who are doctors and all kinds of stuff. For all I know, you're a doctor, lawyer or whatever. You could get by just fine without soaking the man. He'd never know you did it.

Lots and lots of women these days actively choose to have fatherless children.

The idea that you'd take some random man's sperm is preposterous. You're way to smart for that, so it's a straw-man argument.

yawn

I really wish I could send you a copy of my Financial Statements.... LOL
Good thing Im not visting with any "Attractive" hobbyists, SO HOT that I might be inclined to RUN after he bolts out the door to pick up his USED condom (I hope I get the right one! LOL) and Knock Myself Up!!!!

"She could have just told me she was a lesbo and we could have done things right (i.e. through a sperm bank so I would have legal protections)..."

Years ago, I read, in that "sex news" (or whatever) section of Playboy (that is, or at least was, printed on card stock-like paper rather than slick paper), about a sperm donor who was forced to pay child support even though the mother released him from responsibility because a court ruled the child support belonged to the child and the mother couldn't sign it away.

I said "doctors or lawyers or WHATEVER;" with the implicit understanding that many professions (including sales and certain types of consulting) often pay more than those professions.

Clearly, you are stating that YOUR profession pays better than those -- which is good; because it is hard work that entails risk.

But that doesn't change the point and you know it: plenty of women have the financial wherewithal to raise all the kids they want without need to depend on a man financially.

Therefore, finance need not be the motivation.

You know, as a species, we DO procreate -- and drives exist to ensure this. I don't think providers are exempt from this. Some probably are -- but not all.

There are some banks, for example, that specialize in dudes with great athleticism, business success, high IQ, good looks and so forth.

In fact, I donated to such a bank in exchange for payment. Plenty of men have, especially in college. Selection is often based on a combination of high test scores and athleticism, etc.

There's even a bank for just Nobel prize winners.

A lady gets to go through the profiles and pick the sperm of the man whose child she will bear.

Women do it all the time. You might even call it "eugenics."

I have no idea what kind of men use your services. But I'd like to think that at least SOME of them have a mix of the sorts of characteristics you would like to see in your own offspring.

Maybe they are all ugly, stupid, poor and physically disabled. But I really DOUBT that.

Otherwise, your job would be pretty horrible.

Well -- some women could reasonably be induced to bypass the middle man, as it were; if she were confident that the man possessed the characteristics and she were so inclined.

So -- yeah -- any population that includes murderers probably includes people who would provide a "special" condom to a man and see him on a "special" date.

Of course -- if you want MY sperm, you have to pay for it.  Through a bank. No BBFS for me. (*chuckle*)