To be a gift it has to be something that you do from your heart.

So decide for yourself what is right.

I've noticed alot if not all providers accept gifts. I'm wondering how many and how often you guys are buying gifts and how much are you spending? I've given all ladies a gift when meeting for the first time.Does the majority of guys do this? Should I wait for the 2nd visit? I'm open for suggestions

There was a discussion about this on the General board not long ago.  Probably one of many.  Do a search.  I have never bought a gift for a provider unless I also knew and hung out with her outside of being a customer.  And in those cases, it's just a gift for a friend like any other friend (or girlfriend).   I think it's weird to give gifts to service providers if you only have a professional relationship.  It's not a date.  Don't pretend it's one.

If you want to pay extra, just pay extra.  No one hates cash.  Guys buy lots of stuff that just gets thrown away.

It's definitely optional, so there's no wrong answer.  I usually bring a decent bottle of wine, costing $12-$15.  It seems to be appreciated, and it's little enough to help create a positive mood.

Thanks for the info

Not sure if that makes you wise or an oddball.  I have been often accused of both!

consider a gift.  But I have only done this with two ladies thus far (and I have seen over 25 or so).  I would never..repeat NEVER bring a gift to an initial meeting.  My gift is an envelope filled to her specifications..and that is it.  Should I develop a relationship where I see a lady for multi-hours and perhaps some OTC I would, and have, taken a lady out to buy herself an item she would like to use (that is so I don't bring something that is of little or no value to her).  

This is a business transaction on most levels...treat it as such.  Do you go into a business meeting with someone you don't know...pay them for something that is uncertain...and bring a gift even before you have started to transact business?  If so, I would like to meet you and I will promise you whatever you would like..and I expect a gift in addition to my normal (and might I add rather expensive) hourly rates!  I doubt that is a typical business transaction...at least I haven't experienced one even remotely similar to that.  Frankly, even after I would have earned your business I would never expect anything other than my bill being paid on time...and that certainly is expected.

However, if you find a certain lady really floats your boat...you go for long dinner/lunch dates for multiple times...and build a nice "business" relationship...then go ahead and buy her something nice.  Because at that point she has sold you on her..and you have bought it (just like me) hook, line and sinker.  Just always remember...this is a business transaction..and if you don't believe that, just ask her out for a date without the envelope...that should reinforce the "business" end of this deal.

No..you are not a "cheap prick"..but that is only my opinion.

I plead guilty to both counts, OT.  It probably helps that I'm old myself, but still immature.  Is it possible you have missed the many idiotic posts I've perpetrated?  Hell, you're old, so maybe you read them but forgot!

Thanks for clearing my thought process milcpa1. I thought and it did seem odd bringing a gift to initial meeting. Goes to show you, you need to go w/ your gut feeling sometimes.. duhh on my part

Like others have stated, do what you are comfortable with, can afford and don't over do it.

I've only given gifts to two of the providers I've seen. The first was a lady I was meeting for the first time; she was a newbie-friendly provider, and to show her my appreciation for helping me "get my foot in the door," I brought a bottle of white wine (one of her favorites, a locally produced mead). It was definitely appreciated, and while I can't say it was the deciding factor in our one-hour session stretching out to almost two hours, it definitely made for a very happy girl. The other was for my current ATF; it was the holidays, and the third time I'd seen her (and the second extended dinner date), so I gave her a Macy's gift card inside a Christmas card. She, too, was very appreciative, as Macy's is her favorite store, and the session that followed was quite memorable.

Those who say that the best gift of all is to book another session are spot-on, but a small gift will definitely make for a happy lady, one who will likely remember you over the others she has been/will be seeing. But I wouldn't do so on the first date, not unless it's a special circumstance (like mine was). I'm not a cheap prick, either, but that being said, giving small gifts to everyone you see does eventually add up.

This reminds me that the first time I brought a bottle of wine was also my first time with my ATF.  I checked out her P411 listing and saw what type of wine she liked.  It was a white, so I made sure to bring it well chilled.  She loved that and said no one had ever done it for her before.  Another memorable session that stretched to two hours.  Point being, it's the little things that count.

Not to make too fine a point, but I do not think it is a gift if you consume it together. It is a nice gesture, one I often make myself since I seem to have accumulated a lot of wine over the years, possibly a supply that will outlast me. Anyway, I do not consider a consumable that we will share a gift, though I often do it.

I like food, I like wine, I like ladies. It is fun, for me, to combine all three of these things in various ways, but I see it as a form of play, sharing. I do, on some occasions - usually a holiday or if I know it is her birthday - bring a gift, but only for a special occasion and a lady I have seen before. In most cases that will be some flowers or more wine, but not to be drunk then. I prefer to bring something that is consumable and that I am pretty sure she will like, either based on conversation or her web site/reviews.

Between Christmas and New Year's I brought a provider who really likes wine a special bottle that I knew would be to her taste as a gift to enjoy later. She opened it immediately, both despite having another bottle open already and before I could stop her (I had retired to the bathroom and emerged too late - she said mine was much better than her cheapo) - fine with me and we ended up spending a fair amount of extra time lingering over that bottle, so it turned out great - got to enjoy her and some tasty wine, just not as I intended. She certainly has provided more motivation to bring another good bottle the next time!

Anyway, I do not think gifts are expected, but being considerate and making a little effort can be more than worth it. Whatever you do, it should please you to do it, and I think most often it should either be extra money (usually appreciated, but keep in mind that some providers will actually turn it down), or even better for me, something you can share, that will add to your time together. Just remember that what you do says something to the provider about you.

Very nice fruit, maybe grapes, apples or pears if you can find perfectly sweet and ripe ones, can be nice to nibble on while playing, btw, and may have other possibilities, too, if you like.

Zig

Zig, I completely agree.  Usually, the girl will ask if she should open it and I always tell her that's up to her but that I don't want any because I prefer not to drink before or during a session.  I make sure she understands the wine is for her, not us.  My ATF loves wine and usually opens the bottle.  I've ended up taking a few sips but that's it.

Descibes me pretty well some times.  A half century old Peter Pan?  One could do worse.

I noticed that wine was mentioned by more than one gentleman here... just a heads up, that not all providers drink. I've been brought wine on several occasions even though I do not drink at all.. it even states it on my website... but for some reason, that is taken as, I drink socially, when in reality, I don't touch anything with alcohol in it. I am probably the minority here with this, but a non-drinker could get offended if you brought wine, just my .02

Fortunately, in my case, the lady in question specifically stated on her web site that she enjoyed wine, especially certain local ones (which is what I brought, to her delight). The guys who read your site and still brought you wine need either reading glasses or a slap to the back of the head (ala Gibbs on "NCIS").