how do you get a provider ref if you dont have any??

Starts with joining a few verification and review sites first.

Find one that does not screen....not really good.  Join a verification site, like DateCheck, Preferred411, or RoomService2000

Swim

There have been two on-going threads about this exact topic in th epast few days...see below...but a comment on verification sites.  I joined Roomservice2000...a recent conversations with an agency:

AGENCY: I'll need to get some verification info
ME: OK, I'm registered on RS2K
AGENCY (with key strokes in the background): I see you, okay...what time do you need

Elapsed time: 8 seconds....best $50 I ever spent.

Granted, the use of RS2K is more widespread in other parts of the country but find an indy or agency that uses them and verification is instant

use your work place as verification

does 411 charge??  what do they ask??  real name
etc???  I have this ID on ter but none other...
I have never reviewed either..