hello all,

Don't lose hope! You think your frustrated, try being a new provider and trying to get clients, now that's a tough sell. I believe your best bet would be to actually see a "newbie friendly" provider, and ask her to give you an "OK" on P411 and also ask her if she can be used as a reference. Most providers are sticklers when it comes to there rules, and the requirements they want from there clients. So if you are looking to see your dream provider, then I suggest you find a newbie friendly provider that has a 15-30 minute time frame or rate, get a simple service, tip well, and ask her to be your voucher and reference. Hope it helps!

How many providers have been shutting you out? I am not seasoned but have not had much trouble getting dates. No doubt some are more stringent than others and I have had to sometimes give out where I work.

From your one review, I assume you're in New York. There's got to be a newbie friendly provider somewhere in Gotham that you find attractive. Start there. That woman may not be the girl you want to see today, but she's the girl you can see today. It's not all that hard to establish ties. Just work your way up.  
As for your ethnicity, yes some woman may discriminate. Move on to those that don't. I'm not in fighting shape, and I'm in my 50s. Once I got "established," I've had no trouble having my inquiries answered. Hang in there, bud. Pm me if you want to talk further.

but it does happen, and there are a myriad of reasons.  You didn't mention your ethnicity, but that is always a possibility for your problems.  Yours is a familiar story on this forum, and I wish there was a good answer for you.  One thing you might do is lighten up on your requirements for the newbie friendly providers, see one or two even if they are not quite what you are looking for.  At least this will get you some possible references.

If you look for someone on P411 who advertises as newbie friendly, you should be OK. If they advertise that way, they should have the experience to put you at ease. Early on, I saw a provider who was willing to take my personal information (LinkedIn profile, but she was established, so I trusted her.) I found that I was too nervous, so I didn't enjoy it as much. If my first dip into the "high quality end of the pool" had been with someone who catered to newbies, maybe she could have put me more at ease. (Or maybe not, I've definitely learned what YMMV feels like.)
In any case, have fun and don't take it personally if you don't have fun on the first go-round.

....it may not be your dream arrangement, but it is a foot in the door. And eventually, after you've built up some equity, you can move up to an arrangement more to your liking.

Unfortunately the one I contacted never replied, after a second followup email I think I got the message. Probably  being Asian (chinese-american, horned and raised in NYC) is an issue.

hi,

yep, did reach out to a "newbie friendly" provider, not it's a one way communication. Like few other I have replied, I really think the only reason is being "Asian", I really cant think of anything else, as my age is in the normal range. Since she's listed as "newbie friendly" my P411 status of being just basic member shouldn't be the issue.

It seems obvious that if you have a six figure income you have some spare cash to buy your way in.

For them to feel safe and you to begin to explore.  Review these providers and move forward.  The hobbying world will open up to you.  See it like homework...and there are many lovely providers who are newbie friendly!  Have fun!

I too have never run into any problems because of my ethnicity, well I take that back, one time I did get a response that a lady could not see me because of my race, that lady happened to be Asian herself. After a brief "WTF" moment, I moved on and forgot about her. This was one time out of literally thousands of encounters.

You are not shopping for a LTR.  You only want an hour of her time.  STOP trying to find the "perfect girl" on the first date.  Put her on your bucket list for later, if you are that attracted to her.
As a newbie, you will make mistakes (again, as we all did.)  Let's say you DID actually connect with your IDEAL girl, then make a newbie mistake & she won't see you again.  I suspect repeat appointments are maybe 50/50...  for a variety of reasons.  You don't want to blow your appointment with Ms Ideal.  
You want to learn the ropes with Ms Good Enough for an hour

Possibly felt she might get recognized in the local community?

age, income, being average or above average, in shape or out of shape, or ethnic background has anything to do with your delays.   The girls, especially the ones that you desire to see, HAVE to be and feel safe.   That, I think, is their number one prioroty.  

Am I the only one who read that he has looked at newbie friendly girls and he said he don't want any of them? That's why he has joined P411 and TER

We not only saw it, we told him to rethink it.  All he has to do is put out a little seed cash seeing some newbie friendly providers and the doors will open to his real goal.  Maybe he wants to do it on the cheap, but it doesn't sound like he is hard up for cash.

in reply to this part : "I've seen ladies require that prospective clients make a clear date request: when, where, how long, etc in their first contact to get a response.  If you don't put that in there, she won't reply.    
Others will not reply if your message is not completely generic & businesslike.  So if you wrote, "you have amazing reviews & your fans rave about your skills..... looking forward to experiencing them for myself!".... then she will not respond to you."

Oh man, I always mention her great reviews.  This is a thing?

Some perspective at link.

A lot of girls won't see AA at all ...

It's a numbers game.  Just keep going until you find that "one" provider who will take a chance on you.  We all had to start some where.  Once you get the first one "rinse and repeat".  You will be Good to Go.  There are lots of ladies who will take a chance on you.  Just keep going and do not give up.   Good Luck!

and she didn't have a "no Asians" policy, she had a "white guys only" policy, no blacks, Asians or Latinos, or I suppose Native Americans, Arabs, Martians or anyone else not lily white. lol

I have booked literally thousands of appointments over several decades, and I have spent most of my life in the deep (racist) south and I have only been rejected for race one time in all these years. It is highly doubtful that you are being discriminated against because of the shape of your eyes, ESPECIALLY in a city like NYC.

African American?

Hmm.  I'm interested in language.  If you won't fuck a guy, does that make you homophobic?  Sexist?

You have a few things working against you that have nothing to do with your race. Many ladies have a minimum age of 40 before seeing and a LOT more will insist on multiple references.

to all those that have replied, thanks for the tips and encouragement.

Get the definition of blatant correct and we can have this discussion. Otherwise we are debating based on a false foundation.

interesting, so providers to prefer to see 40 and above?

hi,

a much larger percentage than those who wouldn't see an Asian guy.

hi,

People who are interested in discussions find ways of having them.  People who are afraid of being challenged find ways to end discussions.

Hello  

I hope someone answers you.  I can think of a couple of possible reasons:

And you want to make sure the plumbing works well, as long as we're drawing the analogy.