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bestadviceever 733 reads
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This is the best advice I've ever read on this board (along with a video I saw on this very subject).

Personal story to tell:

When my brother was in high school, he drove to a pizza joint that the kids hung out at. An officer came in and asked him if they could search his car. The car may have been clean-it may have had a little weed; I'm not sure. He politely said no you may not.

He was still there an hour later. The officer comes to him again and asks again if he may search his car. My brother again politely refuses. Nothing at all happened to my brother, because he refused the search. Police do NOT have the right to search your car or your house unless YOU give them permission without a warrent; just say no you may not; that's all you have to say.

There are lots of people in jail just because they opened their mouth or allowed a search when they had every right to refuse it. Most people are convicted because of what they themselves say; not because of any other evidence. And just because you tell the officer the truth does NOT mean it can't be used against you even if it's the truth. I wish I had the link to the video-basically it went like this; man says he's not where the crime happened; friend of man says he was seen in the city the crime was committed in that night; witness believed even though man was telling the truth; man convicted because he was seen as a liar even though he was telling the truth

on these boards seems to be SAY NOTHING and get a lawyer.

And ask to get a lawyer immediately, every State has their own laws/statues, a good idea is becoming familiar with them so you know how the judicial system operates and what to expect.

riorunner846 reads

Great advice Paloma! Every newbie should drill that sentence into their head. Or maybe print it and carry it with them, sorta like the cops have a miranda card...lol
                                                                                  Regards......RR

ROGM964 reads

In all the years I've been in this Hobby, No. I've been at this since the mid 1980's.

IcanuseAlias21749 reads

Just google - "Will police actively look for previous johns in arrested prostitutes phone"

check out first two searches that come up ( from avvo and kirklandreporter )  
Sorry links not included not sure if allowed.

From avvo site - moral of the story - maybe texting isn't a good idea.  
say nothing unless you have an attorney present.
You are allowed to have sex for free. Why admit to anything else.  
about the kirklandreporter story , well - with each arrest, the men admitted, post-Miranda, that they paid for sex.

So it could happen , BUT ,know your rights.  
post Miranda , pre Miranda doesn't matter.  
KNOW YOUR RIGHTS !!!  

What to do if you are visited or stopped by the police. First, and most important, in an encounter with the police:

DO NOT physically resist or threaten the officer(s) in any way.  
DO NOT try to leave until an officer tells you that you are free to go.
DO NOT give the officer any information about any of your activities.
DO NOT consent to any search.
The bottom line:

WHEN YOU ARE UNDER ARREST YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.

Simply refuse to answer any of the officer's questions.  Each time he/she asks a question, respond with the question "Am I free to go?"  This will probably result in such frustration for the officer that they may arrest you anyway...but better to be arrested with little or no evidence, than to give the officer information they may use to file charges and for those charges to stick!

It’s all a game.  But the rules of the game (the Constitution of the United States) are in your favor.  You cannot be punished more severely, just because you refused to risk incriminating yourself during a police investigation (no matter what an officer says).

REMEMBER:

If you are not free to go, then you have the right to remain silent.

Know what to expect if stopped or visited by the police!

You will be asked for identification (if you are driving, you may be asked for your registration and insurance info, as well).  You are required to provide this information.  Then the “investigation” will start.  The conversation might go something like this:

Officer:  Do you have any ID on you?

You:  Yes sir.  (or ma’am)

Officer:  May I see it?

You:  Certainly Officer.  May I reach into my pocket to get it?

Officer: Yes…Is this your current address?

You: Yes sir.

Officer:  What are you doing out here tonight?

You:  Officer, am I free to go?

Officer:  Not yet.  What are you doing out here tonight?

You:  If I’m not free to go, then I’m going to exercise my right to remain silent.

The officer will then try everything he/she can think of to get you to start talking.  They’ll try to convince you that you’ll be in more trouble if you don’t cooperate.  They’ll try to convince you that you’re not under arrest, so there’s nothing wrong with cooperating.  They may yell at you, or play good cop/bad cop.  Most police officers are moderately skilled interrogators.  One thing is sure: they practice interrogation techniques a LOT more than you practice being interrogated.  So don’t try to outsmart them.  

Your refusal to cooperate will be very frustrating to the officer.  He/she wants to put a prostitution bust on their arrest stats…particularly if they are assigned to a “high vice” area.  They will pull out all the stops to get you to tell them what they need to arrest you.  Below are some of the interrogation techniques they may try:

Appeal to your innate desire to be honest and “come clean.”  They’ll tell you that they already know a crime has been committed (they may tell you that the other person is spilling their guts) and that if you simply tell the truth, they’ll let you off the hook, or that they’ll still have to arrest you but they’ll “put in a good word for you with the prosecutor or judge.”  This is complete crap.  Police officers do not influence judges.  They investigate crimes, and then provide testimony to a court regarding that investigation.

Intimidate you.  The officer or officers will gang up on you.  Get in your face.  Surround you.  Tell you that you have no choice but to cooperate.  They may even yell at you, or knock you around a little.  Yelling at, and/or using ANY kind of physical force on a detainee who is not physically resisting, is unprofessional behavior and can get the officers into deep doo-doo.  Get at least one of their names and ID #s and report them to the Professional Standards Division of the department  
they work for!

You may find yourself in a “good cop/bad cop” situation, where one officer will pretend to be your friend and give you advice about how to get out of this mess, while the other officer pretends to pressure the friendly officer to arrest you and get it over with.  This is just a combination of the first two techniques described above.  Sometimes a single cop will play both roles.  He/she will tell you that if you don't do what he tells you to do, that he won't be able to be such a nice guy and you will force him to arrest you.

Threaten to embarrass you.  If you're married, have a girlfriend, kids, job, friends, etc. and it would be hard to explain why you were arrested, the police will use this to scare you into talking.  A police officer detained me once and then called my wife at 2:00 am to "verify my address," telling her that he had stopped me.  
Of course, what he was really doing was trying to embarrass me into talking.

The main tool the cops use is interrogation technique #4 (threaten to embarrass)...If you've got six cops surrounding you and you think you're going to jail, and a wife is waiting at home who will eventually find out what you got arrested for, most people will panic and do anything they think will get them out of the mess. Unfortunately this will backfire on them and they will be prosecuted even more vigorously because of the info they will give the officers. Then, not only will they have to explain getting arrested, they'll also have to explain getting found guilty of the charges!

Know the law!

"Prostitution" means engaging in or agreeing or offering to engage in sexual conduct with another person under a fee arrangement with that person or any other person.

"Sexual conduct" means sexual contact, sexual intercourse, oral sexual contact or sadomasochistic abuse.

In order to arrest you, the police officer must establish that a reasonable person would believe a crime has been committed. Even if you DID make an offer for prostitution, unless the officer actually heard the conversation, then the only information the officer has, is that a person driving down the street, picked up another person who was walking down the street; or that a person was inside another person's home for a period of time; or maybe that there are many male visitors to a female's home; etc.   You may have gone to a hotel with someone, or maybe just pulled off on a side street and spent some time in your car.  You may even have gotten caught in the act of having sex with the other person. Having sex (even with strangers) is NOT illegal!

However, the police may suspect that you made (or accepted) an offer of sex for money, especially if any of these things occurred in a “known high-vice area”    
Detaining you at this point is already skating on the ragged edge of violating your rights.  Don’t stand for it!

So unless the provider was an undercover cop, they really got nothing and can do nothing.
but if you are going to admit to committing a crime.
Well anyone will get busted if they admit committing a crime.
Having free sex with strangers is still legal. ;-) ;-

bestadviceever734 reads

This is the best advice I've ever read on this board (along with a video I saw on this very subject).

Personal story to tell:

When my brother was in high school, he drove to a pizza joint that the kids hung out at. An officer came in and asked him if they could search his car. The car may have been clean-it may have had a little weed; I'm not sure. He politely said no you may not.

He was still there an hour later. The officer comes to him again and asks again if he may search his car. My brother again politely refuses. Nothing at all happened to my brother, because he refused the search. Police do NOT have the right to search your car or your house unless YOU give them permission without a warrent; just say no you may not; that's all you have to say.

There are lots of people in jail just because they opened their mouth or allowed a search when they had every right to refuse it. Most people are convicted because of what they themselves say; not because of any other evidence. And just because you tell the officer the truth does NOT mean it can't be used against you even if it's the truth. I wish I had the link to the video-basically it went like this; man says he's not where the crime happened; friend of man says he was seen in the city the crime was committed in that night; witness believed even though man was telling the truth; man convicted because he was seen as a liar even though he was telling the truth

Excellent, excellent, excellent advice! Thank you for sharing. It is my understanding that if you are arrested, even though you are not charged, it will show up on a BCA background check. I have not had this happen in regards to the "hobby", but did with a traffic stop of which I was able to prove was wrong. (This happened in MN so I don't have knowledge of other states). Just a FYI. Regardless, the advice that "icanuseallias2" provides is spot on!

well let's say there is a sting at the hotel where she's staying and she gets busted  (highly unlikely but...) you walk out of the elevator, knock on the door and LE opens the door?

i don't think saying "sorry, wrong room" is gonna help.

Posted By: keystonekid
multiple reviews from established reviewers.

A male cop will not be behind that door...  a female officer will, she will be dressed.  She will ask what you like or want or suggest "GFE" (which in a lot of courts is understood to mean sex for money).   It's pretty hard not to incriminate yourself at that point or the officer might mis-hear anything you say.   A signal is given & the uniforms come in from the adjoining room.  (If one was clever, you might learn where connected rooms are located in a given hotel...  and avoid them!)  If I am a hotel guest, I double check adjoining door locks & use a door wedge I bring with me.  

I use a hobby phone.  Most times, it's on me when I go in & I clear the calls before I exit.  I have left it in the car during some dates...  once I'm parked I really don't need the phone again.  I may change this up

female cop? not what I meant.

 if  I went to see an escort who is well known/reviewed and anyone but her answers the door i would know something up. i just wonder if they busted said provider (because, for ex., hotel staff was really suspicious and called LE) what would  ido when LE answers the door? I'm making the assumption that they want to wait for her appointment to show up and "question" their reason for being there.    

Posted By: harbor_view
A male cop will not be behind that door...  a female officer will, she will be dressed.  She will ask what you like or want or suggest "GFE" (which in a lot of courts is understood to mean sex for money).   It's pretty hard not to incriminate yourself at that point or the officer might mis-hear anything you say.   A signal is given & the uniforms come in from the adjoining room.  (If one was clever, you might learn where connected rooms are located in a given hotel...  and avoid them!)  If I am a hotel guest, I double check adjoining door locks & use a door wedge I bring with me.    
   
 I use a hobby phone.  Most times, it's on me when I go in & I clear the calls before I exit.  I have left it in the car during some dates...  once I'm parked I really don't need the phone again.  I may change this up.    
   
 

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Said provider gets busted. DA offers her a deal if she cooperates in a sting.  Hotel door opens, she's standing there, you go in, put down envelope, then put hands in the air.

That is the BEST place to ask legal questions.  Lots of people say not to talk but you read equally how people will get so intimidated that they will admit to anything; regardless if they are really guilty or not.  Just remember to say: "I refuse to speak without a lawyer present."

Still, posting questions to actual lawyers is invaluable.  Use the site above.

RonMexico488 reads

There are two videos, one by a law professor and one from a cop. The first is about 45 min. They both explain why you should never talk to the police, EVEN WHEN THEY SAY IT'S OFF THE RECORD. Police will do anything they can to get a conviction including lying to you.

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