I'm new to this so perhaps I don't understand, but why do men feel safe providing their personal information (including employer name and telephone number) to an anonymous stranger who doesn't reciprocate and, by their own admission, is a criminal?  

I've considered a number of argument, none of which seems very sound:

1.  "Providers promise to delete all personal information."  Quite simply, how can you verify that claim?

2.  "Providers have no incentive to misuse personal information."  Actually, I can think of several incentives:  revenge, harassment, blackmail, and spite, just to name a few.

3.  "Providers promise not to use the information for inappropriate purposes."  This may be true of most providers, but there are many providers who aren't the most reliable, trustworthy or stable.  How seriously can this promise be taken, especially given the potentially devastating consequences?

4.  "Providers wouldn't betray a client's trust for fear of word getting out and losing business."  Providers can easily change names and use different and unrecognizable advertising photos (or no photos at all), thus disguising their identities and escaping the consequences of betraying a client.

5.  "Well-reviewed providers can be trusted because they run the risk of losing invaluable goodwill built up over a long time."  In most cases, perhaps.  But consider this scenario:  Provider is arrested.  Police offer deal.  Provider turns over client list to save self.  Think this is farfetched?  It happens quite often.

6.  "Honest providers need to take precautions to protect themselves in what is potentially a very dangerous profession."  Granted, but don't clients need safeguards to protect themselves from what is potentially a life / career / relationship -ruining situation?

7.  "The risk that a provider will misuse personal information is small."  That's debatable -- my guess is that it depends on the provider.  But even so, the risk may be small but the magnitude of the harm that would result is potentially enormous.  Are you really prepared to run the risk, however slight in most cases, of ruin?

Perhaps I've missed some arguments that would carry the day.  If so, please let me know.  Until then, I'd have to say this practice reflects terribly poor judgment.

Once you hire an escort you are a criminal too...

Do whatever you are comfortable doing. If you don't want to give up your personal information then don't.  Just resign yourself to the fact that there are many women who will not see you without screening you.

First of all men dont feel "safe" doing it. We do it because its the only way to get a hot, young woman to sleep with us. We balance the risk vs the reward. I havent had to provide my employer info in ten years as I have built up references that will vouch for me. Thankfully, very few women request employment verification for well referenced gents.

Secondly, ease up with the "criminal" talk too. You're a newb and I'll give you some slack but dont put these women in the same class as robbers and murderers. Yes, they are law breakers, as we are, in a country that is sexually repressed. Go north to Canada and no biggee. Go to Europe, no biggee. Its the U.S. that is ass backwards.

This is simple. If you dont want any risk, dont play. If you dont want a broken leg, dont ski. If you dont want any fun in life whatsoever, dont do anything. And even then a plane can come crashing thru your roof and kill you. There is risk in everything we do.

an idiot to think there is no risk in this hobby. Everything in life has risks for a reward. If you don't think the risk is not worth the reward then don't see a provider and stay at home. Don't start a tread just to bash these women, who work had at their profession.

OC

To you providing as much info as you are comfortable with, and she deciding whether she wants to see you.  As I have said many times here, this is a free market.  Buyers can say, "This is what I want to pay, and these are my stipulations."  Providers can say, "This is how much I need to offer my services, and these are the services I will offer.  And I need this information from you."  Only when the two meet is there a transaction.

You don't need to launch into some dissertation about how bad the idea is.  We aren't stupid.  We're all big boys and girls here; we know the repercussions.  If you don't want to play by whatever rules she sets up, then walk away.  She isn't for you.

You don't want to give personal information because, in your estimation, providers are untrustworthy, unreliable, unstable, vindictive criminals. If that is true, then it would be equally reckless to trust any reference such an inherently sinister person would give you, directly or through a verification service. Since you've just proven that safe effective screening is not possible, you may wish to consider a new hobby. Try stamp collecting - you still get to pay to lick something.

If you are concerned about the provider being someone who gets snagged by LE and then turning over info on her clients, then you ought to be seeing providers who take pains to avoid being snagged in the first place, i.e. providers who screen carefully.

im new with and having feeling my through it. I check this board often for helpful insight and it was because of something I read here that made me pass on one recently who didnt screen enough. yes there mig
ht be numerous screening methods but this one was ready to come to my room the second she answers the phone.

as you have seen, a few don't care for your interpretation of how things really are.

Screw them! if the guys or gals don't understand your points, they must be in la-la land.

SG

you didn't provide any constructive refute except to bash the guy.

do better next time.

SG

Why don't you establish some credibility by writing reviews and getting references, and you won't have to give out any personal info. Until then, don't expect a hooker or any woman for that matter, to be alone in a room with you when she does not know if you're a cop or a killer. This is the newbie board so my post is tame, but if you think most of us want anything from you boys other than the time you pay for, think again. A married man who might only make 60k a damn year after taxes, has nothing I would ever need to "blackmail" for lol. I certainly don't need another puppy dog.

Furthermore, your use of the word "criminal" is rather funny, though true, but by your own admission, so are you. Are you a liar as well? Are you married? I'm not, so 2 points London, one point OP. I may be a criminal, but I certainly don't lack integrity lol. What is even more amusing through experience, is that you boys who bitch the most about upping your info. are not even at the top of the corporate ladder.

Most CEOs, Docs, Lawyers, and even Athletes have no problem giving out their info. It seems the guys working some offshore job or at the freaking Home Depot, scream the loudest. Do you really think a hooker making probably near 100k a year or more, some who do that tax free, needs a dime from you after she fks you? Ha, maybe the drug addicted, naive ones who also want a trick baby from you do, but most educated providers are here to use you just like you use us. We want nothing more from you when that door closes...trust me on that.

Are you more worried about your career, or is it your family? If it is your family, don't cheat to begin with. I just love rocket science! Don't come into OUR BUSINESS, and expect us to change the rules for you. YOU are the one who came looking for US, not the other way around.  Try the local bar or your right hand.

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The fact that the client is breaking the law too doesn't mitigate the risk of providing one's personal information to a criminal.

As for a screening service, they require the same personal information.  It seems equally risky to provide that kind of information to an anonymous and unaccountable website.

Oh alias, she was dead on so deal with it. Don't want to up the info we require? Hey,, no problem...go stick your c*ck in someone dumb enough to trust you are who you say you are. Bet you take home more than you bargained for too lol. Women who are too stupid or reckless to care about their own life, certainly don't care about yours. You want to put your d*ck in someone like that? So, you don't trust a hooker with your info. but you do trust her enough to believe her when she says she is "clean?" Bwahahahah....hilarious! If she is too dumb to screen, she is not exactly getting regular STD tests friend.

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If you don't want to give out personal information don't do it. That's your right and, honestly, no one really cares.  The girls who won't see you without it don't care-they have already decided how they want to do business.  Those of us who DO give out our info also don't care if you do or not. We have already made up our minds and one less guy trying to book with the girls we want to see is actually making our lives easier.

As I said, do whatever feels right to you.  That's what we all do...

Nobody's suggesting they're in the same class as robbers and murderers.  I'm pointing out that their profession operates in the shadows and doesn't allow for the usual means of redress, such as law enforcement and the courts.

Clients use reviews to decide who they want to see.  What you are forgetting is that the hobby is NOT a buyer's market.  In the hobby the seller has the last word.  You can request an appointment but she doesn't have to agree to see you.  Some ladies reserve the right to say no right up until you knock on the door and they see you through the peephole...

Imagine if you REALLY pissed her the fk off!

I'm not forgetting that the client is a criminal too.  I'm simply viewing this from the client's perspective.  And from that perspective, it makes no sense to give compromising information to someone who makes their living by breaking the law.  The fact that, from the woman's perspective, the client is also breaking the law doesn't change that.

I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence.  I pointed out what you consider to be obvious because I was very earnestly trying to figure out why men take this risk.  The fact that you "know the repercussions" doesn't help to explain it.

Once again, is someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to see hookers? If that answer is no, then be on your merry way. Sure, there are providers dumb enough to see newbies with ZERO information, but good luck with that ha ha. Any woman that desperate for clients, has a reason for being as such. That is the logic you seem to not be considering. Men who have a lot to lose, are LESS likely to trust a woman who does NOT screen. There is your freaking answer, thesis person!

Why do guys insist on blowjobs without a condom knowing they can catch herpes? Because they also know the risk is more on the woman lol. Why do providers who demand a cover for a blow job, not require a cover for oral on them? Again, they know the risk is more on the one giving.

You've turned this into a psychological question about why men takes risks to get a nut, when the answer is rather simple...because some of them don't think with the BIG head! WOW, I am a fkin genius!

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"Why do men take the risk?" Is this even a guy here, or a damn female reporter? If you are a man seems you would already KNOW the answer, so me thinks you're packing a vagina. Gosh...can't believe it took me 4 posts to realize this.  I hope this thesis is at least for grad school, and not your senior year of freaking undergrad lol.  

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The OP's point was that the risks of trusting a provider far out weigh the benefits. So if providers are untrustworthy then it would be foolish of me to accept their word that you are not a danger.  If you disagree with the conclusion that flows logically from the premise, take it up with the OP since they were his facts not mine.

I'm not quite sure I undertsand your post, but I'll attempt a response:

1.  I don't believe all prostitutes are untrustworthy, unreliable, unstable, vindictive criminals -- I believe they all potentially could be.  (Just like you believe the same thing about every client.) Most are probably decent people trying to make an honest living.  My question goes to risk:  even if the risk that the provider will misuse your information is small, the potential harm is great.

2.  Your point about clients screening prostitutes is misplaced.  I'm operating on the assumption that the clients have used reviews to screen the woman they want.

What kind of recourse do we have when a guy rips us off, robs us, rapes us, or kills us? I would say not much, and that is based on what you just said. If you rip us off, odds are we are not going to call the cops, but we WILL blast your info. all over the blacklist sites to warn other women. If you're not planning on being an asshole, why so worried about it? Hmmm, only guys who have plans of sinister activities are this damn paranoid. Put that in your book!

First, even careful providers can be "snagged".

Second, screening won't filter out law enforcement.  If the authorities can create fake identities to infiltrate the mafia and terrorist organizations, they can do so to secure a date.

Without references, and without providing us with some kind of means to verify that you aren't LE or dangerous, we have no means of ensuring our safety and security.

All very true, but in 10 years I have yet to be "snagged." Honey, providers who are actually screening, don't use drugs whilst working, and who are not banging 15 guys a week, are not exactly on the LE radar. Have you EVER heard of LE using resources to bust just ONE provider, and not trying to get a bigger, better charge that involved tax evasion, drugs, a pimp, or underage workers? Please show me those reports.

It happens sure, but it is not common at all. Also, the first thing they do is take her phone and computer, so if she does not have your info just sitting around, guess what...they have NOTHING to barter with. You watch far too many hooker movies honey. We don't have a black book like many of the bigger agencies these MOVIES are about lol. Gosh.

You say that a client shouldn't expect "a hooker or any woman for that matter, to be alone in a room with you when she does not know if you're a cop or a killer."  Perhaps, but by the same logic, why should a prostitute expect a man to provide her with potentially damning information when he doesn't know whether you'll misuse it?

I'm not inpugning your integrity or requesting that you "change the rules".  I'm simply trying to understand why men take what is a potentially ruinous risk.

When I hire any business person to do a service for me, I provide what they need or I take a damn hike. It is really that simple. You have reviews to give you a shit load of info. concerning our credibility, or track record, etc. We know NOTHING about you. I don't expect any man to give me info he is not comfortable providing, but I do expect him to just not contact me. Simple enough.

You keep asking why men take the risk, but freaking duh...is it not obvious? Because a hard c*ck has no conscience or common sense, that's why. How many guys do we hear about day after day, fkin a hooker without a condom, and on the very FIRST meeting? How many guys' d*ck tells them that super model on backapge only asking for 100 bucks, is actually the one in the pics? The list goes on. A man who is led around by his d*ck, will do just about anything lol. Giving up his info. is actually pretty tame in comparison to other things I have seen, like having sex with women he knows are not even of legal age.

The part I find most comical about posts such as yours, is the assumption of how much better you think you are that we "poor hookers" would want ANYTHING from you other than your money, that was already spent lol. Talk about presumptive. "Most" of us, already have a career outside of this and many have a boyfriend or husband to boot. Who wants to blackmail you? Me thinks the same women dumb enough to have to see clients without finding out who they are. That's called a pimp in the closet and 3 guys waiting for you outside honey...is THAT better? A woman does not need your info to have her pimp take your damn wallet, get your license plate number, and rob you on the way out of an appt. does she? Damn..oops.

You have yet to answer any of the questions about being married, worrying about your career, or if you're even male or female, so me thinks you're full of shit and this is not the place for your research!!!

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Given that you understand my points, what's your personal experience?  Do you provide this kind of information?  If so, what's your thinking when you do?  If not, do you simply avoid this activity or see women who don't request the information?

Understood.  That's why I don't question why women ask for this kind of information.  

But can you see the issue from the man's perspective?  I presume you don't use your real name when working and that you wouldn't consider providing personal information (e.g., address, day job, home phone, etc.) to a client.  Presumably, you refrain from disclosing this information because of the potentially great risk to you.  What is the man's rationale for ignoring this risk?

There's no need to get defensive about this.  I'm simply trying to understand men's rationale when they do this.  I figured that it's possible I'd missed some good reason for why this doesn't present an enormous risk.  After all, this is a discussion board.

Agreed that both prostitute and client are criminals.  Now one for you:

How does the fact that the client is a criminal mitigate the risk to the client of providing personal information to a criminal (who, paradoxically, refuses to reciprocate)?

FOR FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is risk in EVERYTHING. Thats waht reviews are all about. A women will have a history of being professional at NOT abusing your info. But there are no guarantees. I wouldnt sleep with London without reviews, she wouldnt sleep with me without the references/verification. Thats how we protect ourselves. It aint perfect, but its the best methods we have to ensure everyones safety as best we can,

You responded to me and I responded in return.  That's how discussion boards work. There are a lot of men who feel exactly the way you do.  I don't.

There IS, in fact, lots of risk in the hobby.  Getting outed is certainly a risk.  There is also risk associated with various sexual activities and there is, believe it or not, risk associated with seeing women who DO NOT screen.  I've only come close to getting busted twice in over twenty years of doing this and, in both cases, it was while dealing with situations where clients were not being screened. I showed up at one in call to see LE on the doorstep and another was busted a day after I had been there.  That was enough for me.  

Face it, we are rolling the dice from start to finish when we engage in P4P. Both sides are at risk for anything from arrest to robbery to bodily harm or death. The Craig's List Killer was not just a made-for-television movie. It really happened.  It was a sad-and all too real-example of what can happen to girls when they don't screen.

You haven't "missed" anything.  There is risk.  You are trying to give your risk a higher priority than the risk that providers take every time they let a stranger into their room. I'm not buying that and neither will the ladies who won't see you without verification.  As I've said, you are free to see girls who don't screen. Back Page has hundreds of them.  If you are here trying to figure out why established escorts with good reviews won't see you because you won't provide screening info I think it's been made pretty clear at this point, by me and several others, why that is the case...

I'm not sure that the fact that it's not a buyer's market is relevant.  In market terms, assuming the seller has the power to request onerous terms as a condition of the transaction, the question is why the buyer agrees given the potentially ruinous consequences.  

There's no doubt that sex is an extremely powerful drive, but men are subject to that same drive, and curb that drive, in many circumstances where the risk is so great.  Why not here?

and your continual need for insight, makes it more than obvious that you're neither a provider or a client. You're not even asking about risks anymore, but about WHY only men in the hobby "can't curb their sexual drive." Those are your words.  You're some wannabe reporter, or some kid writing a paper on "How far men will go for a nut." Either way, not many here take kindly to bs outsiders worrying about why we do things the way we do, and especially on the newbie board.

This post was reported, and needs to be moved to General Discussion, where you can get more replies, and more humor. The newbie board is not the place for philosophical nonsense, or why men do what they do.

Case Closed!



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This isn't jumping out of a plane with a parachute.  It's jumping out of a plane with a parachute packed by someone you don't know and who refuses to provide any information about themselves.

For the record blue...I have been sky diving 13 times, and I would more readily jump out of a plane, vs. seeing a guy without knowing who he is lol. Good analogy.

You must be a virgin...

My point was providers screening clients with just references from other providers. If we are the loose cannons that you suggest, then I should not trust when a provider vouches that a particular client is safe. Again, the conclusion follows from your own statements.

I don't think I've made myself clear.  I'm not "trying to figure out why established escorts with good reviews won't see you because you won't provide screening info".  I perfectly understand why escorts request the information.  I'm also not trying to convince escorts to refrain from requesting that information, and I'm not suggesting that seeing women who don't screen is safer.

My question was simply intended to discover whether I was overlooking some aspect of this disclosure that mitigated the risk, and if I wasn't, how men rationalize the risk.  I thank you for your answer to the first part of my question but the second part remains something of a mystery.

Understood.  But I'm not suggesting women shouldn't request screening information or that they should trust references from other women.  I'm trying to understand why a man would trust a prostitute with potentially devastating information.

Would you ever consider disclosing to a client the same information you request from him?  My guess is that you would not, and my further guess is that the reason you would not is because disclosing that kind of information puts you in a compromised position.  If the women who provide the service can appreciate that risk why can't the men who use the service?  And if the men do appreciate the risk but proceed anway, what is their rationale in doing so?

There's a certain intellectual bankruptcy to someone who ignores the question in favor of ad hominem attacks.

Get off your mom's puter kid, and have someone else write this paper for you...me thinks the best grade so far is going to be a D! If you are this obvious here, who else is going to be willing to give you any information for your thesis? You're clueless, and an amateur. If you are being insulted, it is because you are a FRAUD! Get off a hooker board unless you're actually a participant!

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but I stayed out of the discussion and decided not to reply, and just watch it. Now reading the discussion and your replies to the replies it just seems like you are an overanalyzer. (heh heh, heh heh, I said anal, heh heh) For some reason you have this need to know how other men rationalize their decisions. My advice is just let it go. Why the deep need to know how or what other people think? Do what you are comfortable with and let them do what they are comfortable with. If you want to hobby and not give out your personal info, find ladies who dont ask for it. (Lots of streetwalkkers out there), or dont hobby. But why worry what others do?

For the record I have no problem giving out my personal info to reputable ladies and I dont consider escorts criminals, and I dont have to rationalize my choices to you.

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Aint gonna happen.

Each lady has her own screening methods, but basically the rules are simple.

TOTAL NEWBIE - you give up your info or don't get to see a lady

Relative Newbie.  Have one or two references.  Some ladies will see you without personal info some won't

Established Client. You have enough OKs/ references that nobody gives a flying fuck what your name is.


You dont HAVE to see escorts.  There is no NEED.  Its a DESIRE, a WANT and a CHOICE.  YOUR choice.

If you CHOOSE to enter this lifestyle, you play by the rules of it.

There's also a certain reading comprehension deficiency to someone who obviously hasn't understood a question they repeatedly claim to have answered.

risks are justified by what a person wants. Do you need a translation? Ok, "Guys who want a nut that bad, are sometimes willing to let logic go right out the window."  I said that a million times, yet you are too scared to address me because I called you out for being a fraud lol. SOME guys are willing to risk getting an STD for a nut, willing to lose their job, home, wife, and kids for a nut, and the list goes on. If you had a d*ck, you would already have realized that. Go away poser. Your bs is not wanted here.

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I agree completely. Now listen I will write real slow so hopefully you will read and get it. Go to a verification site and get verified first ( they are not criminals) only verifying who you are. If you apply for loan, credit card, mortgage you will provide the same information and a lot more. Your company will never know the person calling is from a verification company end of that issue. Now that you are verified but you have not got a reference you will need to see a newbie friendly provider. They will have different screening requirements if you don't want to provide the information she requires then check with another if you can't find one that ask for information that you are ok with providing then your can go elsewhere and quit bothering people here. It really is that simple.  The verification site can give you all the detail information needed. AS for me providing my information I have ID protection, fraud protection and other things in place to monitor what is going on and I have not had any issues. Therefore if you afraid of your information then go to the bis 3 credit bureau and have a freeze put on your information and get a password and nobody can get credit with your approval. There are many things you can do to protect your information. I don't have time to explain but that is why I can give this information to the verification site. The provider is not asking for all that sensitive information. If she does then stop talking to her. OK Hopefully this finally answers your questions.

I don't think you've thought through your supposed precautions.  

A verification site for prostitutes is no safer than a prostitute.  The reason giving them sensitive information is risky is not because of the possibility of identity theft or credit fraud.  It's because they are vendors to an illegal industry, they are unknown, anonymous and unaccountable, and there's no way of knowing that they won't misuse your information either to extort money from you or to retaliate for some perceived grievance.  For this same reason, a verification site is entirely different and inherently more risky than applying for a loan, credit card or mortgage.

As for "ID protection, fraud protection and other things in place to monitor what is going on," none of those measures will protect you from an unscrupulous or aggreived prostitute who outs you, harasses you at home and at work, or who blackmails you.

Your claim that the "provider is not asking for all that sensitive information" is misguided.  Many prostitutes ask for real name, home phone, place of employment, and work number -- precisely the kinds of "sensitive information" that leave one vulnerable to type of misuse I mentioned above.

Perhaps you didn't read my previous posts where I've made very clear that I'm not suggesting prostitutes change their screening methods, that those methods are unreasonable from the prostitute's perspective or that clients should expect prostitutes to exempt them from the "rules."  I'm also not asking what the different screening procedures are for "Total Newbies" v. "Relative Newbie" v. "Established Client."

I'm simply wondering what rationale a client uses to justify running a risk with such potentially devastating consequences.

How's that for explanation?

I am finished trying to explain this to you as many other people have tried. You are clearly someone who is beyond ignorant. It is a waste of time to continue this thread. This will be my last comment to you ever.

You say the risk is great, I say it's not. The risk of being caught by your spouse in a love affair with another woman-perhaps a co-worker or neighbor-is far greater than the risk of being blackmailed or outed by a good provider.

The fact that the hobby is a seller's market is totally relevant since it is one of the reasons why good providers can and do hold out for the information they want from a client in order to feel comfortable seeing him. If that reality didn't exist you wouldn't be here asking the question to begin with.

He doesnt get why people put their kids on those "dangerous" rides at Disney.
Cant imagine why people drive motorcycles.
Shocked that people would put alcohol into their system.
Stunned that some would dare eat a trans fat baked good.
Or why people take "e".
Or why they go up in hot air balloons.
He just cant, for the life of him, understand why a male human would risk something to fulfill a sexual fantasy.
Its all above his paygrade. Or his IQ.

"You would have to concede that even in a seller's market it's possible for the terms of sale to be so onerous that no buyers, or very few buyers, accept them."

At that point it would become either a buyer's market or no market at all.  Neither of those things have happened.

"Blackmail, the involvement of law enforcement, charges, social ostracism and adverse employment actions are all far more likely when you divulge your personal details to a prostitute than when you take a lover."

True but that's not the comparison I was making.  

Every aspect of risk is debatable.  That's been my point all along.  I simply don't attach the same level of risk that you do to giving my real name to a provider.  

I'm afraid you're confusing relevance with truth.  It may be entirely true that a "seller's market" exists and that "good providers can and do hold out for the information they want from a client in order to feel comfortable seeing him."  But it doesn't explain why the buyer agrees given the potentially ruinous consequences.  You would have to concede that even in a seller's market it's possible for the terms of sale to be so onerous that no buyers, or very few buyers, accept them.

As for the risk of "being caught by your spouse in a love affair," the level of risk may be higher or lower -- it's debatable -- but the magnitude of harm that can potentially result is far smaller.  Blackmail, the involvement of law enforcement, charges, social ostracism and adverse employment actions are all far more likely when you divulge your personal details to a prostitute than when you take a lover.

all those other risks lol. It is about why men who are led around by their c*cks, take such risks. Duh...you can't fix stupid in the OP's case. If "it" had a d*ck to begin with, it would not have to keep drilling this in. Wonder why "it" is ignoring me? Because I am the only one in this thread to call a spade, a fkin spade and "it" damn well knows I am right lol.

Anyone so ignorant to assume that seeing hookers is MORE risky than having a traditional affair, needs no further attention. He is a total moron. The money guys pay us, BUYS them DISCRETION! Try getting that from your secretary dumbass!


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is for attention. You know as well as I do that when someone posts a "question" and then argues with every response, that there is no question "why do they do it" involved, but only a statement "they are fools to do it". He's had his question answered over and over again and keeps on arguing. I think it's kind of cool that his only ally in this anti-screening thread is sir piss; you think CS will ever figure out why ole serp regrets giving out personal info?

They don't need to read some rehash of what he/she already knows.

it just comes down to whether you value the return versus the risk, same as really every other decision you make in life.

Because you have stirred the pot all day, with little to no acceptance of anyone's position other than to throw it back at them.  You really weren't looking for any answers, right?  I find it curious that someone who professes to be so concerned about risk on the one hand, chooses to join this site and post under the name of a gay porn star.  Really hoping that is not your real name.  So you have to be gaming!  Just Sayin

Your analogy is inapposite.  You said:

"Much of this is based on TRUST. If you have this much of a hard time trusting other people (especially a reputable woman who is naked, and half your size) this is NOT the leisure activity for you."

Yet my guess is that you don't trust your clients enough to provide them with any of the same personal information you request of them -- not even if they provide all the references in the world (the equivalent of "personal accounts (reviews)").  Do you therefore consider yourself the type of person who has such a "hard time trusting other people?"  Of course not.  You're quite right not to disclose that information given that those prostitute references, just like client reviews, are retrospective and don't safeguard against future eventualities.

As for "doing their research," is there any amount of research about a client that would convince you to disclose the information about yourself that you request of him?  Probably not.  And again, rightly so.

As for clients being "confident in their ability to manage any 'worst caase [sic] scenario' that may arise - and minimize the fallout," I wonder:  what measures can be taken to "manage" being outed, blackmailed and/or harassed at home or at work?  And just how do they expect to "minimize the fallout" of social stigma, relationship harm, and career damage?

I'ver never understood a "discussion" to entail automatically accepting another's position, especially where that position is illogical, evasive or irrelevant to the question under consideration.

I'm not familiar with any gay porn star who shares my screen name.  In any event, I'm not sure what relevance that has to the issue of risk or to my question.

As for my sincerity, I've been earnest and courteous in all my replies.  Far from implying that I'm not "for real," my persistence in seeking a cogent answer to my question suggests the opposite.

Considering your contributions, I can't say this discussion will be any poorer for your absence.

"I'ver never understood a "discussion" to entail automatically accepting another's position, especially where that position is illogical, evasive or irrelevant to the question under consideration."

Several people in this thread have suggested that if you are not comfortable with the risk, don't take it!  It is clearly your choice.  This is the only cogent answer to your question, and clearly not accepted, or even acknowledged.  Whether is is fair or not, ranting is not going to change the game.  BTW, there are plenty of girls who you can see without giving your personal info, but they are an even bigger risk, IMO.

"I'm not familiar with any gay porn star who shares my screen name.  In any event, I'm not sure what relevance that has to the issue of risk or to my question."

Just thought that you might actually have a sense of humor

"As for my sincerity, I've been earnest and courteous in all my replies.  Far from implying that I'm not "for real," my persistence in seeking a cogent answer to my question suggests the opposite."

Sincere, maybe.  Courteous?  Your OP successfully denegrated everyone in the business by listing every way that you could think of in which a provider could betray you, and implying that everyone who might accept those terms is an idiot.  Not a warm and fuzzy way to start.

"... how men rationalize the risk..."

I think you have a good question and I too have wondered the same thing. As I follow the replies to this post it seems to me that "men rationalize the risk" by the belief that they are in many ways at greater risk by seeing a provider who does not screen. So to them it's the lesser of two evils....

" I'm operating on the assumption that the clients have used reviews to screen the woman they want."

Bingo! That's it! That's the answer,   "clients have used reviews to screen the woman." Once client has screened woman, client then allows woman to screen him.   A two way street....

"Men rationalize the risk" by not giving their information to  'non-reviewed' women.


You're welcome.

Dear Friend,

Upon further consideration , you are asking a subjective question. There is no right answer to subjective questions.  

What a person considers rational, or not rational is simply a matter of opinion. It's anyone's opinion as to what is rational and what is not.  It's like asking what's right and what's wrong. It is based on an individuals personal circumstances and life's experience.

And since we know nothing about you we cannot even begin to guess what you'd consider "rational". What may seem rational to you may not be rational to me and vice-versa..Only you can answer that. After all you know yourself better than we do.