...you were a burglar trying to break in and using the side door to avoid attention.

Hey everyone,

I just recently started thinking about entering the world of hobbying. I consider myself extremely cautious. I visited BP, TER, etc for a few weeks. I finally found a provider on BP that had codes for P411, Date Check, and TER. I was intoxicated by her pics so I did some research. She had a website with fully revealing pics, 3 reviews on TER, a ton of reviews on the TNA Review Board. It appears that she is based primarily on the west coast but has done some touring. Her phone number in every city was identical. I finally gathered up the courage to PM her. She told me to text, which I did. We set up a time. Typical 2-call system. I called when I was close and she told me not to go through lobby but to pull around to the side and she'd let me in. When I parked, I walked up to the hotel and stood outside for only about a minute before 2x LE showed up, pulled around the corner and parked in a spot. Obviously, I took that as a sign to leave. I was stopped briefly, but was able to leave no problem. As I was driving home, the provider called twice which I ignored. She then began texting me about what was going on. I responded there was a problem with LE. She asked me what LE meant. What?! I figured most would know what that would mean. She then asked what happened? I responded that it was bad but didn't want to get specific (as I said, I'm very cautious). She then asked again what happened. I didn't respond via text. I could be paranoid but it felt like she was trying to get me to say something incriminating. I contacted her again on TNA and apologized and explained that my Uncle Leo came to visit and I had to leave. My question is, does this sound like a simple case of wrong place at the wrong time? I mean I wasn't even there a minute before they pulled around. How bad of luck could it be that my first attempt with a provider (who has a website, so many reviews, and is seemingly legit) end up with me having this type of run in? I find myself wanting to try again with her (if she'd even be willing after this experience), but I feel like that's my little brain talking, and my large brain is saying "What the hell are you thinking?!?" I imagine she's still at the same hotel, and LE knows what my car looks like. The girl is smoking and comes very highly recommended by a lot of people, but it seems like I may be flirting with disaster. Need some advice from some more experienced folks. What do you guys think? I can provide TER number if you'd like

It's kind of like Murphy's laws, they are always to be found when you are hobbying! But 99.9% chance they have nothing to do with your hobbying. They are just making their rounds.

I think you should make it up to this girl by booking a longer session...

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Never been a fan of a standing by the side door of a hotel waiting for an escort to let me in.  Yes, I've done it,  but didn't like it one bit. And if I was told to do it toady, I would refuse.  Here's the deal, you really want to blend in with the crowd, that means going thru the lobby getting on the elevator and find her room, acting like a normal guest would. Not waiting by a side door waiting to sneak into the hotel. Many hotels have security cameras on all exit/entrance doors, so it's a really bad idea.   As far as a well reviewed escort not knowing what LE means, that's hard to beleive.  

Now were you at the wrong place at the wrong time? that's impossible for me to know.  Coulda been just beginners bad luck, I just don't know. I'll give you props for the way it appears you handled LE, just remember in the future to STFU, when approached by LE, act respectful but always STFU.

What's the old saying, if at first you don't succeed, try try again.? You seem like you've got good instincts for the hobby, just remember when that little voice starts telling you "no go" listen to it.

Also, and you seem to have this down already,  always think with your big  head, not yourlittle head.





Now as far as trying to see her again. Are you freakin crazy? no way, just move on and find another highly reviewed smokin hot provider that wants you to come thru the lobbby.

There was an article posted on a board not too long ago that a lawyer, no less, got busted partly because he called the gal right after LE spoke to him.

She had flipped and the call was used to nail him.

After a brush with LE, I would maintain radio silence for a while.

Yes, it sucks for her, but better than her client landing in a pot of hot water.

in marked cars. I'm not worried when I see cops in marked cars. They aren't there to investigate vice cases. I would feel safe going through the lobby to see an escort, however, I wouldn't enter a side door while they were watching.

It looks to me like a case of wrong place at the wrong time. On a phone, "le" texted in lowercase isn't obvious. She's probably legit but not very discreet, which is hard to know about with only three reviews.

I did an outcall once and got there before he did, I waited in my car outfront of the hotel...

I am just listening to my tunes and fiddling with my phone...I look up and in the mirror I see 4 cops!! My heart started racing and I thought i was going to throw up.....the walked around my car...two on each side.... I get ready to roll down my window and they just kept on walking....thru the grass...and across the street..... I was like "shewwwwwwW"

Was scary as hell and deff wrong time wrong place...
Question though.... how much time, energy and money do they put into stings? Like how clever exactly are they? I try to weed them out thru emails...and now I am getting into the reference sites, but I am not apposed to meeting a newbie. I am a newbie that would just be wrong...lol

anyways any help or insight would be great. I have read some things on bigdogg that said a few things to look out for.

It sounds like a place that is known by law enforcement that lady's work out of have been there because of the lady you were seeing.  Rather, they were watching the place and hoping to get lucky.

There are some places in every area that have a reputation for being used by escorts .

I agree with the other posters that entry through a side or raises too many red flags . Remember that hotels do you have security cameras in the halls and especially by all exits.  If the lady meets numerous clients by this exit she may have been noticed by hotel security or front desk staff.

Either way, I would avoid seeing her at that hotel.  Whether you choose to see her at another location is up to you .

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on the Legal Corner board. Out of respect for the OP of this thread, I recommend that you first search for posts containing keywords like "sting" "bust" "cops" and "arrest" before starting a new thread about any remaining questions you have. Past threads on the Legal Corner board also contain a wealth of information and opinion on the topic.

Stings are definitely something a provider needs to know about and guard herself from. Fortunately, a few common sense steps tips can lower your risks to near zero.

how do i search? I have been all over the boards and have not seen a search box as of yet....

I would be happy to search and not keep bothering others with my questions that may have been answered already....

there is a row of buttons.  One of them says, 'Search'.  Use that.

Swim

I understand being scared but you should have told her why. She deserves that. With 3 reviews, she is still new too. Poor baby girl.

He made the right call.  The OP wrote 2X Police cars.  1 car driving through slowly is a routine patrol.  2 cars pulling in was an obivious way to let you know you've been observed...  and that means her working has been observed.   Likely the hotel is not happy & wants her to move.  If she doesn't move, she'll become the target of a sting.  
She may be new(er) and not gotten all the skills of not drawing attention.  I often meet at a side door...  it only takes a minute to get inside.  I do not think she's been flipped...  yet.

A stings works like this...   LE gets a tip or complaint.  Cop observes clients coming & going hourly.  Cop intercepts a client coming out, maybe several until they get a client to give up enough for probable cause.  Or they figure out her ads & send an undercover in there to bust her.  

Most providers relocate every few (2-3) days.  She should have taken your warning & cancelled the rest of her day & moved at once.  Preferably accross a city limit...

WOW... I feel like a complete air-head now....

Thanks again swim...

Don't worry, you're not the first, and you won't be the last.....
Swim

The search function only searches posts on the board you are on at the time.

You just never know. I went to an appointment with a new provider. I was told to go to a 7/11 by her incall and call a couple minutes before the appointment for exact unit number. I got there early and just sat in the lot. I finally called and sensed something was wrong. She said she saw 2 cop cars in a restaurant parking lot that was visible from her incall. She had never seen me and so she wanted to cancel as she was concerned I was LE. While I was nervous myself as I am not a regular hobbyist, I felt that after all that she told me about wanting to see my license, and a credit card with my name and the company name, that she was legit. I drove around for about 10 minutes and she said they left and to come. I have been seeing her regularly ever since.
It was just a case of bad timing.

Looking it up now.

I move daily. I'm still new and no hotel settles me 100%. I host at home but I keep a low profile. So far, no problems.

KK

I pulled into a hotel lot, parked & made the call.  I got the room number & got out & was headed in when a Black & White cruised by giving me the eye.  Since I was out of the car, there was nothing to but keep on going about my business.  I mentioned it to the lady who said LE had been asked for extra patrols due to thefts from cars.
We had a good time.
However, hanging around in the lot would have drawn attention very quickly

He texted her and then apologized later by PM. Tough break for her, but it isn't NCNS if you make contact.

Also, don't do anything stupid in their view but no reason to be overly concerned by 2 Police cars stopped driver to driver...  often just BSing.  
Cops like lots of coffee &  donuts...  hopefully providers stay a safe distance from those locations.

Once I was waiting for a provider in a gas station parking lot. She had to make a run, and would be on her way back. While sitting in the parking lot, a marked LE pulled up in front of my car, and look like he was about to start typing in my tags.  I so simple pulled off, and drove home.  I called her later on and told her what happen.

She figured that was the reason I had left, since while she was walking back to her room, she also saw the LE. It was no biggie. Never got to go see her again though.

I would have appreciated if you took the initiative to call or text me. She could have made other plans and/or resumed her life. That's why I define it as a NCNS.
But you both seem like sweet newbies (yum, fresh meat). She is a new provider and you're a new hobbyist. A year down the line, I don't think this scenario would have played out the same way. When she gets more reviews, she can join one of the provider only boards and find more hobby friendly hotels.
They often say that a provider is "new" until she has six reviews from reviewers who have given at least six reviews. I don't know why, "they" chose six... That's another thread question! So, she probably isn't a member of the provider only board. She could have likely gotten a heads up about the hotel from there.
My gut reaction was to remember myself and ALL the NCNSs that I suffered through as a "newbie" with shoddy screening. LOL. It was like three months ago!
Kisses and Have Fun!
KK

Thanks everyone for the great input! My guess is that she was drawing attention to herself with the number of visitors she was letting in the side door and the hotel got hip it. This was a mid-level hotel, definitely not a dive, but it's right off the freeway along with a number of other places so I'm sure it's prime real estate for providers. I'm sure the LE was asked to patrol the lot regularly. The first one I saw pulled around the lot and parked. When he saw me standing there, then walking back to my car, that's when he drove up along and the 2nd rounded the corner. They never indicated why they stopped to talk to me, but again, my guess is they got a call about some suspicious activity. They definitely didn't decide to go to the very back of the lotI did text my lady friend and apologized later via PM. There just wasn't any way I was gonna go in to detail about what happened via text or phone. Anyway, I'm not sure if I'll attempt it again with her or not, but I'm definitely not going back to that hotel and I'm not waiting outside to be let in through the back. I felt so exposed...and not in the good way

"Obviously, I took that as a sign to leave. I was stopped briefly, but was able to leave no problem. As I was driving home, the provider called twice which I ignored. She then began texting me about what was going on."

We disagree. But all is well that ends well.

I don't do the side door thing as I like to wear hot lingerie for my friends. I typically stay in the room all day.

Good luck!
KK

Read a little bit further:

"I responded there was a problem with LE. She asked me what LE meant. What?! I figured most would know what that would mean. She then asked what happened? I responded that it was bad but didn't want to get specific (as I said, I'm very cautious). She then asked again what happened. I didn't respond via text. I could be paranoid but it felt like she was trying to get me to say something incriminating. I contacted her again on TNA and apologized and explained that my Uncle Leo came to visit and I had to leave."

I responded to her with a couple texts and then a PM later that night. I was definitely disappointed but there's no way I was going to attempt it after that happened.

with name and address should be sufficient.