OK. I got my first appointment for tomorrow from a BP ad. An independent, no reviews. I googled her number and nothing wierd or suspicious came up. Only her BP ad. Only spoke with her once very briefly and will call her about an hour
before the meeting to get he location.
For my personal safety, should I discreetly make it a point to check the bathroom to make sure, for MY peace of mind, that we are indeed alone?
I made it for A.M. 'cause I would feel a little safer than late night. Haven't seen the location yet. That will tell me alot.
I'm sure sh*t has happened at sometime, somewhere, but has anyone heard of any horror stories or tips that could be shared.
I really don't want my first time to be a big ripoff. It might scar me for life.
1) No reviews. Not good, you don't know what to expect. 2) Backpage is the new CL. Stay away from there unless you know what you are doing.
I wouldn't recommend taking the course of action that you are planning, but what do I know after six years of hobbying? Maybe it will work out, maybe not...you won't find out until you get there. As for checking the BR...if it's closed, and you see a sliver of light underneath? In the two instances where that happened with me, there was a second lady waiting to make her appearance. Then again, I only see ladies that have stellar reviews, and I avoid BP and CL like the plague. But that's me...
As a newbie, I cannot understand why you would try your first provider that you know virtually nothing about. As CD said, BP is only a small step above CL as far as providers go. It has been said many times on this forum, if you are a newbie, find a well-reviewed provider for your initial foray into the hobby.
While it is entirely possible the lady you have chosen is perfectly safe, why do you want to take the chance? Is she that hot? Your own misgivings about checking things after your arrival at her incall should be enough to tell you this is probably not a good idea.
The watchword of the hobby is RESEARCH!!!!!! Check the girl out thoroughly before seeing. No reviews is the first red flag. Her having no presence anywhere except BP is another. You did not mention if she did any screening of you, this is a 3rd red flag. If she is not screening, then IMHO, her clientele is really questionable.
My advice is cancel this one and start looking here. Get VIP membership so you can read all the information about the provider. Use the escort sites for ads then check if they have reviews.
Since you are a newbie, it would be a good idea to join one or more of the verification sites, i e, Date-Check, Preferred 411, or RoomService2000. Look at them and see which is most popular in your area. Reason being for this is that you have no provider references. This will help the provider screening you and reduce the amount of personal info she may need from you.
Otherwise, be prepared to give her some personal info so she can properly screen you. She needs to know you are safe and also not LEO.
Good luck,
Swim
Thanks for all the info. She has not asked me any screening questions, so doesn't that put herself at risk? I could be LE or worse. I am a new member of P411 and have tried to contact a few newby friendly providers with polite, discreet voice mails, with no return calls from any of them.
If I get to her location, and it looks good, and I feel that we are indeed alone, I would probably go for it. I just don't want some 'dude' popping out of the closet at an inconvenient time.
Would a provider REALLY try to pull some sh*t like that at her own place? Knowing I would most likely not go quietly?
You're making all the wrong conclusions. The #1 red flag is a lady that doesn't screen. LE doesn't screen either because they don't care. Rip-offs, ROB, and scams don't screen because they don't care who you are.
I'm not to happy with people scaring you with BP like it's the devil "as far as providers" go..... I see ladies including moi who are reviewed pretty good through TER and other sites that post on BP. I started on BP first and got my first few from people who saw me there. The quality of some of the MEN AND Providers on CL and BP leave a lot to be desired but don't be too scared of BP.
If you see someone brand spanking new with no presence of course you're at risk for a lot of things including guy jumping out on your, her robbing your or her being LE. If you're that paranoid about TOFTT cancel before it's too late and just start with someone who is a bit established and maybe come back to that girl when she has one or 2 reviews from others....she could be the best you'll ever see or a nightmare.....kinda up to you no matter what others say on either side say in the end.
Thanks for the tip. As long as we're alone and the door is locked, daylight, good location, I'm not TOO worried.
I'm mid-50s and me and a buddy of mind have been doing the Mexico boystown trip for 30 years. I always had fun with no problems. I do know how to 'watch my back'. But considering the expenses involved, i.e. gas, food, motel, cab fare, tips, ladies drinks, the girl, 'the room', not to mention a 14hr drive (round trip), it's cheaper and more convenient to have my fun locally. I'm just being cautious.
Re read the previous posts! If you've only spent a second on the newbie board, you should know your first time should be with a well reviewed provider. You're very first time shouldn't be a toftt.
I agree with all that is said here.. If you are already concerned about "dudes" or "boys in blue" is it really worth the risk of life, limb or sudden legal misgivings? I wouldn't.. Life is hard enough as is.. Why make it worse for yourself when it could be avoided.. It's just not worth it.. Find someone who will not make you feel like this with all these concerns and questions. Esp with an incall...
The approach you are taking is "I saw that there was a newbie manual and I wiped my butt with it. I heard your advice, but decided that it's better for me to give you a buck than take your $0.02. Now, can anyone give me some encouragement or tell me what to expect?"
The approach you are taking will get you in trouble with the LE, get your robbed, scammed, or worse. What you are doing is the most dangerous thing. You are new, can't read any of the red flags, don't have any green flags, and are still trying to go through with this.
My advice would be to stop. Don't do this. There's a very big chance you will be sorry. If you find yourself in a room with LE or some big dude attempting to rob you there is no way out despite any of your musings.
There are always risk. They can only be mitigated.
Your personal risks???
- No screening or reviews? She could be LE.
- There could certainly be another person there. Happens a lot. Sometimes ladies share a location. It's unprofessional IMO. Sometimes it's innocent and sometimes not. However, she could just as easily have a guy waiting in the parking lot, and give him the heads up when you leave (with a description). These are probably rare, but they happen. The cheaper and less reviewed, the more likely.
There are others, but why take them. CL/BP issues aside... try reviewed ladies first, until you get your sea-legs under you.
If you want your first experience to be a good one why on earth are you seeing a BP girl with no reviews?
Because I'm not getting any answers or return calls from the P411 providers I've called. As I said in an earlier post, I've left polite and discreet voice mails with several in the past couple of weeks with no response. What's a guy to do?
A lot of the ladies ladies that use date-check, post and are reviewed here and are even members here so...... browse and contact some you like and see if they will take you.
then keep looking.. I have had my share of no replies to even a reviewed person so I take that as a no and keep on walking.. No sweat.. You look hard enough you'll find someone.. This is not something you can research in 5 minutes being new.
But I would simply keep looking...
Thanks enormously for your concern.
Well, you asked questions and I gave you honest answers. You're a grown up. It's not my job to be "concerned" about you. The message is simple. Find well reviewed providers. If you don't want to be "scared for life" from your first time it's up to you to put in the research to help insure that doesn't happen. There are no shortcuts.
Find a highly rated agency that does incall. Take an hour vacation near the end of one of your work days and visit an incall agency lady.
I've only been doing this about a year. If I were to go through with what you are planning I would EXPECT one of the following to be your results.
Worst case - You end up in a room with a dude trying to rob you at gunpoint. Things go bad and you end up on the short end of the stick.
Next worst case - Same as above but you get robbed successfully because you keep your cool and give him what he wants. You still are on the short end but unharmed physically.
Next worst case - You end up in a room with a dude who is not interested in robbing you at gunpoint but slaps the steel bracelets on you instead. If you are married you could loose your wife/family etc. Legal bills etc.
Next worst case - you end up in a room with a girl who is not the girl you have the hard on for in the pic's. Bait and switch on BP/CL happens all the time and is probably the most likely outcome. You don't have much fun and after you leave you wonder how/why that happened to you.
Getting better - You end up in a room with the girl in the pics that you have a hard on for. Things go OK but not great because you don't know anything about her service. She rushes you, does not perform up to your expectations (but you don't know what to expect) you leave saying well it was alright but not worth the money/time etc.
Best case - you end up in a room with the girl in the pics you have the hard on for. She looks even better than her pics. You hit it off well with her and she rocks your world. You walk out thinking that was great. Next time you use the same method you used this time and end up with one of the other 5 results.
you a betting man... you have six situations above... roll a die... you might roll a six this time. ![]()
I love the idea of red flags and green flags described in this thread. Your end result is going to be directly proportional to the research you invest. Your research job is to to find info on her and look for as many green flags as possible while avoiding as many red flags as possible. Searching and finding no results good or bad to me at least is a red flag. It may be hard to recognize the flags and their color as a newbie.
What I did... I joined TER and RS2K found a gal I thought was SMOKING HOT read her TER reviews. They told me what a visit with her would be like and what to expect in our visit. I looked at the members who reviewed her. She had many reviewers. Her reviewers wrote many reviews. Enough I felt comfortable she/they was legit.
I called. No answer. Left message. No reply. I waited a couple days and called again. Left another message. She called back 15 minutes later. She screened me by my RS2K info and we set something up. I did exactly what she said to do. When I arrived. She was EVERY BIT as HOT as her pics. We hit it off pretty well because I knew a bit about her. I had a great time.
ALWAYS think with your big head, not your little one.
Worst case - You end up in a room with a dude trying to rob you at gunpoint. Things go bad and you end up on the short end of the stick.
EVEN WORSE YET::: A DUDE COULD COME OUT AND PROVIDE ON YOU!!!!!!! YIKES!!!!!!!
Doesn't seem likely that someone would rob somebody at there own place.
I've noticed in my time of hobbying that there are many women who doesn't have reviews on here could have reviews on other site.. did you check em all?
So, you're origional post was on 7/23/2010, and you said that you're appointment was for "tomorrow"..and throughout the course of the forum posts/replies you showed no signs of heeding any warnings and replies looking out for your well being.
That being said, how'd that "date" work out for you??