It pays to be a bitch. If I want to give someone a little extra, he won't have to ask for it...it will be offered. As far as my agency goes, all the time because no one knows I am the one behind the keyboard. It's pretty sad considering the rate is reasonable and these girls pay a cut to use an incall. It is as if the MORE you charge, the less idiots you deal with. The cheaper you are, the lower they want you to go. Never got that shit. If a woman is asking for over 500, you would think she would be the one most guys would try to get down, but it's always the women who are already low.

I'd only try to haggle with LR

Yeah right.  I don't think I have the stones to do that.

To answer your question I'd never haggle over the donation because I feel it would start things off on the wrong foot.  If I can't afford the providers listed donation then I'd just move on to the next one.

I can't say a percentage but more now than ever.  I used to see men who would offer less and then agree to pay my rate when I declined the requested discount.  I've long since learned my lesson!  It's never been a good thing and I have always been made to regret it.  Always.  Once someone asks for a discount or reduced rate, I won't see them.  They simply don't approach this the way I want the guy I see to approach it.  This isn't rent, utilities, medical coverage or necessity: it's in a spending category of entertainment/fun.  I always recommend that a man finds a girl within their spending comfort zone and not to try and get someone for less than what they are asking.

I have done sales for pretty much my entire working life, so I'm used to haggling. It doesn't bother me on a personal level to get those emails. However, one to four hour appointments with an escort is not really the place, in my opinion. Yes, this is a service, but its not one that can be clearly priced based on what's rendered, making negotiating kind of tricky anyways - you can't even really say why you want a discount, as it's illegal to say much other than "I don't have the money". Discussing pricing in general makes a lot of girls a little uneasy anyways, let alone full on negotiation. Plus, it is very insulting to a girl to email her and essentially say, "hey, I checked you out, and even though everyone else agrees you're worth it, and even though I've never met you, I've already decided your time is worth less than that". Now, I KNOW this isn't what people are generally trying to say, but when asked in the first few emails by a new client, that's how it will usually come across, whether they meant it to or not.

And then, there is a consistency among clients that ask for discounts on short appointments early on, and back when I would see someone like that anyways (agency, not a ton of choice), they would usually end up on my "do not see list" for one reason or another. They want all the activities, they want to degrade you, they want to stay over, they want services you don't offer, they want to whine some more about your rates.... Just generally very self important and entitled. I will never forget my old agency owner giving some jackass who'd scared her into thinking he was a "big deal" on TER huuuge discounts, literally putting our rates on par with backpage crack heads. And of course, he preyed on the new girls who were already cheap, telling us all that bareback was the norm (and not afraid to be sneaky to get his way), that some of the top girls saw him for a song, and that he'd write us a "great review", which only sometimes came and, if you put him in his place, would be downright insulting. In my experience, clients that initiate a conversation with the request for a discount fall closer to this skeeze, than any gentleman I would want to meet. I can only imagine that many other girls have found this to be true, and choose not to deal with negotiators at all.

Of course, there IS a way to ask without being insulting. The first step is seeing the lady at her established rate, preferably several times. An established client who basically says "I want to keep seeing you/see you more, is there any kind of recurring setup we could do/come to my house so no hotel to pay for/package blah blah blah" may actually get a response from her, and a girl might work with him, depending on his needs, suggestions, and if he is really that good of a client. Ie, he's always been a consistent regular, respectful, fun to be around, etc etc. Tread lightly though, as it can easily drift back into paragraph 1 territory, lol!

The other way to gently negotiate is if a lady raises her rates after you have seen her, and there is a possibility that you could be grandfathered in. Again, this may not happen for a one or even two time client, but someone who is consistent and easy to get along with may have some luck if they discovered a girl early in her career. I would not suggest this route if its been more than six months since you last met, or if you've only met once or twice and she's been in your city plenty of times since then without a word from you. Of course, you could always hint at it in this case, but you run the risk of looking like a cheapskate from P1 or 2 if you just flat out ask after its been a while or you haven't established much of a relationship. A simple "I noticed you had different rates listed, wanted to make sure I got you the right amount!" Will generally be enough to prompt a girl to let you know if you've been grandfathered in.  

Longer appointments have a little more leeway though, I think. For example, if you're willing to shell out for a sweet ass trip with your ATF, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "with all the activities/shopping/tours/whatever planned, I don't know how comfortable I am with an additional X amount. Would Y (within reason) work for you?". If you can do X, but need to eliminate fun stuff, let her know. If you really can only do Y, then still let her know. Longer appointments are more case by case it seems with pricing, and fun stuff might be enough to make her say a lower rate is a fair trade. When you're at the point where you two feel comfortable enough to travel or spend extended amounts of time together, you can kind of assume a little more wiggle room than someone booking a shorter appointment, and certainly more than a first time client.  

Bottom line, don't try to negotiate if you haven't met the girl, and be kind about it if you have. If you approach it in a respectful manner, that shows us that you're genuinely not trying to be a cheap ass, we are much happier to keep a good regular around than go through the whole process of finding one all over again. But if you send a "woe is me, you're so expensive" email, don't expect much of a response from most. And if you do manage to get a discount? Don't make her regret it. Because you will be one of the first to be cut from the roster if you do

Char

I would never haggle over a lady's rate

Haggling starts the session off on a "bad foot." You are basically telling her upfront that you do not value her service - so why should she put out for you? Except now she also has to worry about getting a bad review; since hagglers often use the "bad review" as a threat, too - but that's a whole other topic.

And yes, like London said, it seems like the ladies who charge very moderate/reasonable prices get hit a lot more by "bottom-feeders" trying knock their rate down.

The closest I ever came to a "haggle" is if she only posts a 1 hour rate in her ad/website and I ask her if she has a "SPECIAL 2 hour rate" implying that I am looking for a discount on the 2nd hour. But I then accept whatever price she tells me.

I have never haggled over her rate.  If I feel it's too much for my budget, then I will just find someone else who is more affordable.  If a provider wants to offer me a discounted rate, that's her choice, but I would never ask for it, although I would happily accept it.  Who wouldn't?

Swim