It was about 15 years ago up in Quebec.

I found an MP, and thought, what the hell, I'll give it a shot.  Upon paying for the massage the madam indicate that I could touch myself, but that was it.  So, OK I guess.  The gal gave me a great massage, and then handed me the bottle of massage lotion and said I could finish up while she watched.  She was a sexy brick-shithouse build of a gal with huge boobs, which I just loved.

I said back to her:  How would you like a massage?  She said:  Mais oui!  (It was Quebec, remember.)

She stripped down and I got on her ass and massaged the crap out of her to her delight and then came all over her ass crack.  She loved it, and I was a happy camper.

It was a bargain too.  The house fee was about $40, and I tipped the gal another $20, and she was very happy at that.

So, to answer your question:  You just never know till you try.  Be respectful, but don't be shy.  The worst they can do is say no.  (Or non.)

I am new and I plan to try full body sensual massage. So far, it looks like finishes from the providers which seem most appealing to me have been DIY style after a very enjoyable experience, from what i can tell. However, I was wondering if DIY providers tend to do a bit more (like HJ finishes) after repeat business and the better comfort level that should come from that. I'm fine with DIY combined with a good massage and nice girl but am hoping that things could progress just a notch after I get a relationship established.  In other words, are diy advertisers pretty much just limited to that type of finish. Thanks.

Does DIY mean "do it yourself"  (pardon my ignorance)  If so, allow me to express myself on the matter.  As an experienced and very skilled FBSM provider AND professional MT who KNOWS the body as I've run a practice for many years, teach yoga, and have a decent understanding of Tantric principles, I'm finding it hard to believe that DIY (do it yourself?) is common offering.  

How does this make a massage sensual in any way, unless of course it is the gentleman's preference, in which case, my comments don't apply.  I would guess, hope,  that if a providers expertise is in the sensual aspect of the massage,  she would have a more creative approach.  I'm not criticizing...just somewhat astonished that one would be asked to "take matters into their own hands" Nice pun, hah?!

Personally, the form of "release" is a part of the whole process, not a separate "ending"  For me, the "happy" starts the moment you are on the table and it does not end until you leave!  Sensual massage is an art and every technique that is used should be designed to bring ultimate pleasure so that the entire body enjoys a release, not just the mid-section.   The quote "it's the journey, not the destination" comes to mind here.  

I think if gentlemen are settling for anything less, they are depriving themselves of what sensual massage was intended to be.  Eh, to each his own I guess.  

My prior experience has been at strip clubs and store front MP. I found that sometimes things improved with familiarity but it also seemed to depend on a lot of factors and was hard to gauge going into any given encounter. I'm not afraid to ask but am also polite about it so I will probably take that route. I was mostly wondering (hoping?) if familiarity was likely to be more helpful in my new hobby.  Thanks for relating your experience and I appreciate any additional wisdom anyone can share.

I'm new, but isn't it the same thing as trying to define GFE?  Depending on who you talk to, you might get a different answer.   I've seen some on TER that offer BBBJ....some that offer CBJ.....some a HJ.  Isn't it still a matter of reading reviews so you know what to expect?  I have seen many instances where multiple visits have resulted in a wider menu.  But isn't that a YMMV gig as well?

And in the case of seeing someone not reviewed (AMP's might apply here), then I'd guess it's a matter of throwing your lure in the water and seeing if you get a bite.

Posted By: massagegurunh

Does DIY mean "do it yourself"  (pardon my ignorance)  If so, allow me to express myself on the matter.  As an experienced and very skilled FBSM provider AND professional MT who KNOWS the body as I've run a practice for many years, teach yoga, and have a decent understanding of Tantric principles, I'm finding it hard to believe that DIY (do it yourself?) is common offering.  

How does this make a massage sensual in any way, unless of course it is the gentleman's preference, in which case, my comments don't apply.  I would guess, hope,  that if a providers expertise is in the sensual aspect of the massage,  she would have a more creative approach.  I'm not criticizing...just somewhat astonished that one would be asked to "take matters into their own hands" Nice pun, hah?!

Personally, the form of "release" is a part of the whole process, not a separate "ending"  For me, the "happy" starts the moment you are on the table and it does not end until you leave!  Sensual massage is an art and every technique that is used should be designed to bring ultimate pleasure so that the entire body enjoys a release, not just the mid-section.   The quote "it's the journey, not the destination" comes to mind here.  

I think if gentlemen are settling for anything less, they are depriving themselves of what sensual massage was intended to be.  Eh, to each his own I guess.  

Posted By: Likeitoutdoors

I am new and I plan to try full body sensual massage. So far, it looks like finishes from the providers which seem most appealing to me have been DIY style after a very enjoyable experience, from what i can tell. However, I was wondering if DIY providers tend to do a bit more (like HJ finishes) after repeat business and the better comfort level that should come from that. I'm fine with DIY combined with a good massage and nice girl but am hoping that things could progress just a notch after I get a relationship established.  In other words, are diy advertisers pretty much just limited to that type of finish. Thanks.

there are so many factors that go into a session experience. I prefer to know exactly what to expect. I have no desire to have to see a provider more than once to experience her entire menu.

With that being said I will relate an experience I had a few years back. Im not into fbsm, however, I saw a fbsm who was advertising on BP, who had only two reviews at the time. One was strictly a fbsm review, the other mentioned if she took a liking to you, more was on the menu. So I figured what was the worst that could happen, since the donation was very much on the low side even for fbsm. So as you can imagine it turned out to be a fs date. I asked the young lady at the end of our time together why she advertised as fbsm even though fs was definitely on the menu. She was brand new to escorting, having been a dancer before, and she thought if she advertised fbsm,   she wouldn't have to provider fs if she didn't like the guy, just like the reviewer mentioned. I thought that was a pretty interesting thought process. BTW, she eventually dropped the fbsm facade in her advertising and changed her ads to fs and more than doubled her donation.

Should include a massage head to toe back first with some teasing in the butt area (be clean) & then front.  Typically a gal will go topless or full nude for the front & allow some touching to get your motor running.  Some might allow or offer a BJ.  A Happy Ending (HJ) should be included in a FBSM.   Anything beyond that, if permitted, deserves a nice tip.  This is not a Up Sell as a FBSM is way lower cost than a Full Service provider where it would be all included.  
Sometimes repeat visits get more services offered...

shit happens. Most of the women I know either do an HJ or BJ, but it is only one pop too. If you want msog, they charge you a gfe rate. I am wondering if he is asking about one girl, or overall? I don't know any provider who offers gfe for the massage rate...no, but I am sure some might without advertising it.

The norm for FBSM providers in MY area is full body massage with no prostate stimulation (that is extra), and a choice of either hand job or blow job ending with or without cim. They don't offer fs unless they are offering both fbsm and gfe at two different rates.

Also, there is a world of difference between a girl who works at a massage parlor and an indy FBSM provider who has her own private location, and does not pay a fee to anyone else. When a girl is required to service 6 guys a day vs. a girl who can set her own hours, the difference in service is like night and day. Strip clubs, I would not even put in the same category of any provider, because they are not at all the same.

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In my area, full body sensual massage appears to often end in DIY release .  Yes, I read the reviews and that's what a lot of them indicate, even though the reviewers generally seem well pleased with the provider and the overall experience. . My initial question, which was meant to apply as a general question, was whether on repeat visits the DIY experience tends to change to a more typical HJ finish. Many of these providers are very attractive, the reviewers verify that the photos are real and the experience was good. I would like to visit one or two of these providers but I would prefer a HJ finish. I am a member and read the reviews so I know I could go straight for the one's who give the HJ or more but, quite frankly, several of these DIY providers get better reviews. I guess my question is whether I should assume reviewers are describing the best experience they have had with any given provider or if repeat business tends to lead to more extra activity. I realize every person and situation is different and my question is very general, perhaps too much so. Thanks.

How would any person here know what a certain girl in your area does during a session unless they saw her personally? Pm some of the reviewers, but even if they say "Yea man, she gave me a bj," that does not mean YOU will get it.

I cannot believe how many assumptions are being made here about who will do what during a FBSM!  Reading a million reviews still cannot define what FBSM is for every provider.  It is best to go into a new situation with an open mind rather than having your head filled with preconceived ideas-  that are based on what other people are, or are not doing.

For God's sake, 'Likesitoutdoors' you've started several threads pertaining to FBSM...you've beat the dog dead,  now it's time to bite the bullet and go see someone!  

I'm a FBSM provider and I offer 3 options.  Within these options there are certain things that I will always include but I do choose to mix things up a bit because I don't like too much predictability & no two sessions are alike.  You'd be far better off just  enjoying the session rather than obsessing over what you'll be getting because I can assure you that whatever you get will feel amazing.  No one leaves feeling "jipped!"  

Also, there was mention of FBSM costing less than a FS/escort.  Why would you assume this?  Unless you're offering FS OR FBSM, you don't get to decide what the rate is.  FBSM (not the silly "body rub" type) is hard work and requires skill, energy & knowledge...that's what you're paying for.  With FBSM, you're not paying to "have your way" with someone, as you MIGHT with a FS/escort provider.

Everyone is different in what they offer and how they choose to offer it.  There are no cookie cutter rules and your expectations should follow suit.

I have no idea who you are talking about or what part of the country you're in, but FBSM generally means a handjob and may include topless or nude.  Most of the sessions I have had are nude.  Mutual touching is usually okay, but providers differ in how much touching is allowed...and where.