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Married vs. Single and tricks for secrecy?
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I'm looking to going back in after 20 years of being out.  How many of the posters are single vs. married?  For those that are married, what are the best practices that you utilized for keeping it secret?  I was always practicing the hobby when travelling before, never in my home city, but now with COVID-19, my traveling has stopped and looking at local alternatives.

I'm married and I cheat.  But, never when the wife is in town.  She is gone for months sometimes to take care of aging mother.  It is too f'n dangerous to mess around when she's home.  Those chicks can smell that shit on you.  Even if you shower you end up smelling too fresh, etc.  
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You need a way to cover time as well as smells.  To hide expenditures and texts and cellphone numbers.
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Then there is always the unexpected, like a fender bender on the wrong side of town.
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Not for the faint of heart.

Thanks.  My wife never travels.  I have a separate work phone that never leaves the office for communications with escorts.  I can swap the SIM of my phone into another phone so my wife shows that I am at the office, but I can still text her from the other phone while at the escort.  I planned on always using Lyft on a the work phone # to prevent the "fender bender" issue or being seen by someone else in my vehicle.  

GoodNPlenty2020342 reads

Not for the faint of heart indeed

Opsec is critical...
Incalls only...

Pre-Covid it was about being safe, nothing bb, and planning in with regular routines. Gyms are great, second place to shower and clean up. My work has a shower for a long time and it was a reprieve to plan extracurriculars around the workday.  

During the Covid-era, getting out of the house is tough enough. I have regular self-care visits Dr, Dentist, Chiro, Massage etc and may swap one of those with something else. But doing so hurts as you're now in-between treatment sessions

And I drive one of those cars that have a tracker on it.  

Curious on what others do

Rasputin4President276 reads

An older post but one that's always relevant. I've been hobbying for many years, have been married for a long time, and before that had a steady gf. In the earlier days, 20 years ago I traveled for work once a month, and would set up appointments in other cities where I'd travel to for work. That changed a few years ago and for the past few years I've mongered locally. Always do incall, and I only do it when there's a plausible reason to be unreachable. In my situation, during the workday my wife and I rarely call each other. I have a few friends that I've known since before I was married, and it's not uncommon for me to arrange to go to car shows or other events that take all day. Sometimes those car shows are not real events. Another thing I've done is take a day off from work and not tell anyone other than my job. Gone are the days when I was at a desk and my wife could call me there. Since cell phones came into the picture, rarely have I used an actual office phone for anything, let alone talking to my wife. My wife never checks my phone records, and I don't have a statement coming to the house.  

I haven't solved the fender-bender scenario, but glad someone brought it up. Most likely if that happened it would be while I was visiting one of our branch offices. Now that I think of it, visiting branch offices was an old routine that I used regularly in the pre-covid days. It was great because I really did have to go visit branches in other parts of SoCal, so when I visited a provider, I used the old branch visit as a pretext.  

Don't be one of those people who over-explains when they lie. Have sufficient detail in your back pocket but don't volunteer anything beyond what you would normally explain if you were telling the truth. For example, on a normal day, you might say truthfully that you had to visit the company location in El Monte to ensure the new systems were installed correctly, which caused you to come home a few hours later than normal. On another day, say a month later, you visit an escort in West Los Angeles, and you explain to your wife that you were trouble shooting at the Culver City regional office. Be ready to answer questions about who else was there, the general nature of the problem, etc... but it would seem suspicious if you started rambling about how, Alex was there and he couldn't track down the problem, and the parking lot was full so we had to park at the Vons down the street, etc. Keep it natural.

What's put a complete stop for me on this hobby was a STD/HPV scare I had with my SO. I meet with a provider and then a week after had sex with my SO. A few weeks later she started having abdominal pain and started bleeding after sex. I secretly did a std test and the result came back negative and then of course after researching about things in the internet (which was all negative) I was scared she had hpv. Ultimately, after her check up with the doctor she was told all the symptoms she was feeling was due to ovulation pain which is normal for her age. So I was lucky in that I never had to admit to anything. Has anyone had a similar std scare with their SO and how did you deal with it? For married guys do you get an std test before having sex with your SO? I definitely want to get back into this hobby but I can't shake this worry/ fear I have about this.

STDs are always a risk.  Probably stick with reputable pros and avoid the down market.  
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Covered BJ's aren't that bad. Avoid DATY and even mouth kissing.  
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I know that takes a lot of fun out of it for some people, but you still get to fuck and play with titties.

Im married and I just submitted my info for p411 or do you let the provider screen you?

Never been with a provider before. Actually to be honest im probably headed for a divorce.  

Really looking to take part when I travel especially in Vegas.  I know p411 isn't the end all be all, but its something.  

Do you guys use a second phone? Don't want to get caught, and want use caution.

If your wife demands to see your phone, what would you do?  
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Most pros aren't going to contact you out of the blue.  So if you do use  your phone, wipe off the records.
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Do you get a bill with itemized phone calls, times / numbers?  Probably need to get one of those virtual numbers in that case, so  no paper trail.

I'll get to the main point: Get a burner phone. Don't use your "real life" phone.
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Other threads have more and better info about phones and other hobby phone options: using an app on your regular phone, getting a google voice number, etc.. Search for "burner" or "phone" or "hobby;phone" (include the semicolon) or "Tracfone" etc.. After you read a few more threads for recommendations, ask more Qs, if you've got 'em, on those threads.
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Good luck.

Posted By: rook6642
Re: P411??
Im married and I just submitted my info for p411 or do you let the provider screen you?  
   
 Never been with a provider before. Actually to be honest im probably headed for a divorce.  
   
 Really looking to take part when I travel especially in Vegas.  I know p411 isn't the end all be all, but its something.  
   
 Do you guys use a second phone? Don't want to get caught, and want use caution.

You’re a man, right? Sex is a need. It’s not an add-on. When you got married you were loaded with testosterone. Surely, you fucked like bunnies in the beginning. Does she think it’s okay to let you come in her pussy once a month now? Have I gotta tale for you:

I guess I don’t get it. The reason I’m getting back into the hobby after some 20 years is because my wife and I haven’t had ANY sex in about five years (could be four, or six). When I say ANY I don’t mean we fuck once a month. Nope. Not once a year. We haven’t had a real kiss in five years. No handjobs - not from her anyhow- but I’m getting pretty good.  

If I was getting any at home, I wouldn’t go out for it. If your wife doesn’t give you whatever you need, or you she’s gained 30 pounds (not a little extra but a lot), then what did she think was going to happen? Here’s the good news, you’re seeing somebody who is providing you with an essential service (which apparently she’s not). You’re not going to leave her, you’re getting your needs fulfilled.

Would your wife like it better if you had a relationship with somebody half both your ages? I married mine for better or worse. I’m sticking with her. I love her and wish we fucked like when we met 25 years ago. She has a choice too; fulfill my needs, or I will go elsewhere (after waiting five years). Funny thing, I waited more than a year to marry her because I told her point blank that she’d never suck my dick again. She laughed. Turns out it’s not that funny.  

So here’s what you do, if you have a fender bender, or if she finds receipts or other evidence. You tell her that you were trying to be discreet, but if she won’t fulfill your needs you’ll find a service that will. It’s an “understanding.” I know, then she won’t fuck at all (scared of diseases). Woo-Ho! If that reduces your once a month mish do you really care? Is her pussy as clean as the one you’ve been paying to taste? Would you even put your tongue on that starfish anymore? If that causes a divorce, you were going there anyhow; maybe you just didn’t know it. Other than the financial hit, and whatever explaining you have to do, do you REALLY care?

Imagine, then you will be free to “date” women in their 20s, maybe younger (as I’ve told friends I would do if my marriage ends - I’ll be 60 this summer). If you didn’t lose all your hair and gain 30 pounds (no wonder your wife won’t suck your dick) then you won’t have any trouble finding a 20-something babe (even if you’re not rich).

So, please, either keep your vows and fuck the woman, or be discreet for her protection. You have to be willing to end it if you want, whatever it is that you’re getting elsewhere for a price. You are going to get what you need. You’re a man. You have needs.  She knew that when she married you, or was it an arranged marriage? Did she think that bearing your children stopped your testosterone and ended her contribution to marital bliss? Stop being a mouse. You’re a man. You have a dick and you’re going to sink it deep into a wet, willing pussy. Doesn’t matter if it’s her’s or some young thing’s. But at least give her a choice and then have your dignity. You’re a man.

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