As a newbie male in the hobby, what is the best way to know the provider is not part of LE? Reviews say "after LE check". How do you know/ what do you do to be sure a provider is for real?
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A cop isn't required to disclose that he is a cop. So asking him to say he is not LE is no assurance.
Same thing with the fabled "grab my tits" or "touch my crotch" or "grab your cock" tests. A cop can do all those or allow his dick to be grabbed, and that doesn't invalidate an arrest.
In short, there is no surefire way to screen out whether someone is LE.
I had to go through my first LE check a few weeks ago. Before we did anything, she asked me to expose myself. So I flung it out and it was all good from there.
Now I could be wrong here, but I cant see an undercover agent being permitted to expose himself then proceed to make an arrest...
Sorry, but yes you are wrong. However, it is very uncommon. Many in the LE/AG community view it as unethical. There was a sheriff's dept in VA that did a few busts where the deputies arrested the provider after the appt. It hit the news for exactly that reason. I seem to recall that crazy joe in Maricopa had his deputies follow through a few times as well.
I suspect the prosecutors don't care for it because if there is a jury trial then the jury may consider the arresting officer to be immoral and not trust his testimony. Basically the jury may have the same view as everyone who thinks LE checks are legit.
LE undercover can do ANYTHING they want... who is the judge going to believe.... you, or an officer with 15 years service with the dept? In Indiana it has happened quite a few times where LE went through with the appt, & arrested the girl AFTERWARDS... they actually have in their handbook rules that permit them to "do whatever necessary to get the arrest", & although going through with the entire appt is "frowned upon", it's still allowed. So LE "exposing" themselves is nothing, & YES, they can do it.
Now, for guys, a female undercover is probably less likely to do anything other than let you grab her tits... but you can never be too sure.
Now I could be wrong here, but I cant see an undercover agent being permitted to expose himself then proceed to make an arrest...
LE checks are mainly about street girls. You grab her tits or rub your hand on her crotch, somehow this assures the girl that you are not a cop. Or she says, "are you a cop"? and if you answer "no" then somehow she is safe from arrest because of course cops aren't allowed to lie...
The only "LE check" for a date with an escort is screening. She checks you out to the best of her ability with the information you give, you check out her reviews and posting history on a site like TER.
You can also read the newspapers. Are there stings going on, or does your area have a history of stings? Is the area of her incall seedy, is there street drug action in the neighborhood, is there a revolving door at her incall? Is it an election year?
HI,
I am a provider in Charlotte NC. Im not sure there is a way at all to be 100% sure, but usually the provider will do LE check once arriving at her room. The same way I screen clientele, its all in how they carry themselves, appearance, the way they act. Most clients will be nervous because either they are new to the hobbyist, or because they are seeing a new girl. Reviews also play a role in the LE check. If a girl has reviews that recent then more than likely you have no need to worry. Always just listen out for anything that sounds odd that can be a red flag. Like they say, If it doesnt feel right, it probably isnt. ALWAYS follow your gut feeling. Its usually always right! Best of luck!
... stated, there isn't a surefire way of checking the potential provider if she is LE or not.
However, you can reduce your risk.
Only see providers that have multiple reviews by different reviewers. The more reviews that the provider has, the less likely she is not LE. However, keep in mind, if she was busted recently, she could be working for LE.
There is no such thing as risk-free when it comes to this kind of business.
Harden your balls and go for it as long you do your "homework" beforehand.
If you don't have TER VIP, get it... even if it's only for a month... that $25 membership fee is far cheaper than the bail money you have to pay. With VIP access, you can do a more thorough check on providers to reduce your risk.
Serpius
As Serpius points out, this hobby can rarely be 100% risk free but his advice about the # of reviews being a gauge is a rule I've followed for quite some time and I've never had any really bad experiences in any respect when following it. His point about a girl working for LE is also well taken but going that route creates some pretty thorny practical, evidentiary and credibility issues for a successful prosecution so the probability of that is fairly low.
That said, all the more reason I try to stick with the porn girls as much as practically feasible. When I set up a date with Taryn Thomas a couple of weeks ago, I knew that when the door opened and it was her, I could relax significantly. If nothing else, I knew it was really her. Other than the very unlikely possibility that she was working with LE, the experience then falls back to the ol' "YMMV." Oh, and BTW, if you're anywhere near the Phoenix area, go see her, it was phenomenal!
You couldn't just stop after your first paragraph?
His reviews are totally worthless IMO, because he has admitted that he barters for discounts. Oh right, must be his charming personality or stunning good looks, and he is not doing anything in return for that discount lol.
A few months ago contacted a girl through DC. Her version of LE check was to have her appointment drink alcoholic beverage with her at the bar and then head up stairs. I told her this was stupid and I don't drink anymore, and I can meet her at the bar and drink soda, while she sips her beverage if she wants, but she insisted that I have alcohol. According to her, there was a law in Virginia that if the guy is cop, he can't drink on duty. So, if the guy drinks, that calms her nerves.
Has anyone heard of anything like this?
Another stupid LE check...IMO
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... that I have never heard of.
Like you, I don't drink alcohol anymore either.
I think it was SHE that need a drink to calm herself down.
Did you both go through with the session or did she cancel it because you refused an alcoholic drink? Just curious.
Serpius
Has anyone heard of anything like this?
Another stupid LE check...IMO
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Not from that area so I can't speak with certainty, but I doubt it. I can't think of any laws made to restrict cops. The only law I know of for certain that she might be extrapolating from is that if you are carrying a gun and drinking in VA the gun must be out in the open. Though I imagine that in those kind of busts the "client" is unarmed and just signals someone else to arrest her.
Has anyone heard of anything like this?
Another stupid LE check...IMO
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and I have no clue where she was basing her argument on.. Regardless, I didn't go forward with the appointment. Didn't think it would be fun as she would be nervous half the time...
Bottom line, is if you still have to do an LE check when you arrive, you did not do enough screening or research before booking. If I am still not sure a guy is legit BEFORE that door opens, we are not meeting. Simple as that. You can't underestimate what LE will do to get what they want. I think Hilary's case in MN is a prime example of civil rights being violated for a bs bust. Who sends armed agents busting through a door to bust for ONE count of soliciting? Someone who knows a few people on the force, that's who.
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multiple reviews from established hobbyists.
Thanks for the information. I am a VIP member. I have been reading reviews and am not looking for any trouble with the LE.
I was hoping that the answer would be something simple, like having her boobs groped, or a flash of the pie, or her grabbing me....any sure tip but you are all probably right in saying nothing is 100% for sure.
Again THANKS for the support.