As a newbie who is trying to get into the hobby I am definitely not having any luck, and it just seems that being a newbie is such a huge disadvantage!!

To me the whole hobby seems very technical and complex, which I guess I have to expect since it is sort of an underground thing, but what's worst for a newbie is that once you are in the hobby and know what's going on it's nothing but easy and awesome!

I'm having problems w/ agencies b/c I can't get an agency VIP membership b/c my memberships are not being approved. I'm having problems w/ independents since I have no references and can't get a hold of them. Plus, being 23 years old and inexperienced seems to NOT be preferred from what I've read. It also seems that the assumption in the hobby is that ALL not-known clients are jerks, which not only makes it tougher for newbies again who have to work extra to disprove this, but it also labels a complete gentleman and sincerely honest and nice kid like myself as a total ass right from the start!

On top of all this you then have to know what to do on your first date (which I think I can wing based on doing my homework). Does anyone have any advice for me on this? Everyone in the hobby started out as a newbie at some point!....also anyone know the abbreviation "civvy" or something like that? I saw it in a post about young clients using providers.

some providers take new clients, other girls take adult verification website references

where do you live?
Many agencies will allow you to see a girl if you don't mention sex and tell them that you are new to this hobby.

I understand you bro.  I just discover this hobby myself this week by accident.
Become VIP and look around. Call several no. in Tucson area. One told me they out of business and other just reply to call back Monday and hang up. What a stupid $#$%#$%^.
Looks like they don’t want my $$$. I actually glad that I stay home today and keep my money. It’s probably one of those rip off service anyway.  Plus I was just planing on meeting the provider and talk on my first date before getting into any hardcore stuff.  
Now, I am looking for provider in phoenix area that will meet newbie like me. Seem like phoenix have whole lot more provider and beautiful women out there.  Come on if you want to charge a few extra.  I will put some more tips on your way out. Sorry uakool, I can’t help you.  But I am sure there is a lot newbie like us sitting around here and willing to pay a lot $$ to get in this cool adventure hobby.
Anyone know good agencies that can trust and accept newbie in phoenix area?
Thanks

Civvy means a man or woman that does not partake of the hobby as a provider or hobbyist. I generally suggest the someone as young as you try dating young civilian women before trying the hobby, but avoid getting too deeply involved with any woman without utilizing a clear headed approach to the PROs and CONs of involvment with her. Try learning how to dance and go out to dance bars with a couple of civilized friends. Get on the dance floor, even if alone and dance and be cool, even if a woman starts dancing with you, DO NOT get aggressive with her. Thanks her after the dancing is done and get some water to drink. If you are cute and the gentleman that you say you are, you will get much notice and will get women looking you up in the bar to hang out with you. Just accept that they want to hang out and do only that if they interest you. Once a lady is ready, the hanging out will lead to more.
If you feel that you have no interest in civvy dating and want to hobby, then try the following. Look up reviews by preformance for your city or region. Find agencies that send highly rated traveling ladies into your region for incall. Contact all that you find via phone or email and find out how you can hook up with one of their ladies when they are in town. All the smart agencies will require information from you to verify that you are who you say you are, but you should be able to get set up with several that you contact. There are several excellent agencies that send travelling ladies around the country. Once you are set up with them, you may not ant to try anyone else for a while, but if you do ask whether they will act as a reference for you.

as with anything else in life the more you do your homework the better prepared your going to be. Age is not really the problem im 2 years younger than you and seen several ladies already. Before going to any agencies i suggest seeing some well reviewed indies first. Not all require references or do screening but again do your hw so you dont run into any ROB's. Good Luck.

I am 22 and I started out in the hobby not too long ago.  There really wasn't any problem getting into it.  However, I sat on the sidelines for roughly 6-8 months contemplating many things.  Is it right for me or should I stick to civvy dating?  The risks and the consequences such as STDs and law enforcement.  I cannot tell you how much I had to think about everything before finally committing myself.  I am not trying to throw you off and second guess yourself.  I'm just saying that there is a lot to consider before taking your first steps.  The older crowd may disagree with me on this but it takes special consideration for people our age because we have so much to look forward to and we don't want to do anything that will screw us over in the long term.

I have asked a few providers the average age of their typical clients.  The most common answer was 35-40.  I have been told by a few providers that I am the youngest client they have ever had.  So yes you are going to be one of the younger ones but don't let that get in the way because it just doesn't matter in this hobby in my opinion.

My main piece of advice to you is to sit back and take it easy for a while before your first contact with any provider or agency.  Get a TER VIP membership and begin studying the providers in your area.  Read escort newbie guides on the internet.  Bigdoggie.net has a great newbie guide that basically tells you what is expected of you.  There are many guides out there if you just do a google search.  Look through your city's TER discussion board to see what your community is talking about.  My main point here is to educate yourself because this is not a hobby that is very forgiving (at least thats how I approached it).  

I cannot tell you how much work and research I did before making my first contact.  In the end, it was all worth it.  I made my first contact and had my first appointment set up and it was better than I ever imagined.  I owe it all to doing my homework.

I hope that you end up enjoying this hobby as much as I do.  Something just tells me that you are pursuing this too far too fast.  With enough patience and doing all of your homework I have no doubt any agency/provider would love to have you as a client.

Feel free to private message me if you have any other questions.

Best of luck!

BMunson2222

Try www.roomservice2000.com. I have found a lot of the ladies there are reviewed on TER. If you find someone you like who has good reviews on TER, then sign up for their verification service. That should get you started hobbying. I think the problem with more experienced ladies prefering older men is that the older men treat ladies better. In other words, learn how to take care of a lady, and they will take care of you. I have also heard a few comments along the lines of older guys have more reasonable expectations.

I am from the phoenix area...

I would advise you to see the indies first before heading for the agencies.  The best agencies in phoenix/scottsdale are AZ Mystique and Scottsdale Elite.  I don't know how newbie friendly they are though.  Please do yourself a favor and see the independents first and build up some references.  Then the agencies shouldn't be a problem.

it's been pretty *HOT* in Phoenix.

If you are a newbie there you would be best to go with a very reputable provider or agency, and be willing to be screened.  Only a crazy lady would risk her freedom to accept a newbie without verification in that climate...

I think it's hard for newbies to get started in this hobby, but I also think it's not so easy for a hobbyist every time he makes an appointment with someone he hasn't seen before ... maybe having read some good reviews, but not really knowing how she will be, going to her incall location, somewhere he has never been before, along with understandable nervousness about having an encounter with someone he has never met before.

I don't know what you write or say to these escorts when you approach them initially, but I would like to offer one piece of advice from hearing other hobbyists say they have the same problem about escorts not returning their calls.  When I asked what they had said to the escort, examples of the responses where:

email: I want to see you, call me at XXXXXX
voicemail: I'm Joe, I wanta make an appointment.

That's all they were saying, and my response to these guys that while I try to respond to all messages/emails, when time runs out or all my appointments are booked, this type of approach will be put at the end of my list to get back to and maybe I won't get back to the person at all.  How about adding one nice comment about the escort's reviews, her pics, saying just a little more about yourself, type of work you do maybe, type of person you are, etc. just a little something to put the escort at ease.   Messages leaving a little more information are always at the top of my list of calls to return.

Good luck, I hope everything works out well for you with this hobby,
kisses
Suzanne in San Diego


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(She had a number of reviews so I figured she knew what TER was.)  She knew my phone number, obviously.  If she screened me I never knew it.
I didn't tell her I was a newbie.  (I just didn't think of it.)  I told her while we were talking after the date was over and she seemed jolly about it.
There's a bit of etiquette on the date itself that both people operate under that protects us from LE, but generally I don't know what technical stuff you're talking about.  (You'll need to put your penis somewhere...but that's really not that technical.)

I've only been asked for a reference once (from someone who doesn't read TER, obviously)
 I think once you have a growing list of reviews a lady can check you out without asking for one.  Some just verify your phone numbers and invite you over.  Others ask for a bit more information.  I've seen a couple websites that want your photo!
You sound like a nice enough fellow.  You write in complete sentences.  I'd go with an independent that uses the telephone over email.  Or chat with a lady on your local board so they can get to know you.