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It's frustrating
mrfisher 115 Reviews 715 reads
posted
1 / 26

Tell him to get all the dough he owes you to you before you see him again.

Then, after you've collected, don't see him again and yes, help out your sisters and black list the MF.

sophiaLA See my TER Reviews 2559 reads
posted
2 / 26

I have a reg (bout a year), when I was with an agency he was always on time and envelope always on point. Since going independent he's been late…somewhat flakey and time before last was 50 short because "atm only let me get out this much". Since he was a reg and it made no sense to snub 500 over 50 I said ok. (Not gonna lie he's also very handsome and our great chemistry clouded my judgement).  

So this time he books a 2 hour, we have SUCH a great time it ends being much longer (went for a bite in between). It's not until I'm getting dressed to leave he informs me there's no envelope. (yeah, I know…upffront..was thinking with my clit) He offers to go to an atm but  
A)I don't wanna hit an atm in a hotel with you, my car service is already waiting and that looks super sketch.
B)Remember he can only get x amount and I don't want anymore I owe you's.  

I tell him he can send it via paypal or directly into my account and he agrees.
That was days ago…natta.
I don't think he purposely ripped me off I do think he has a stoner lackadaisical attitude about it which is saddening and disrespectful as hell. I also know he will try to see me again. Will he pay me all at once then? Maybe. Do I look like a place that accommodates tabs? fuck no.  

Again this never happened when he went through an agency.
Blacklist?

 


-- Modified on 3/3/2014 9:39:41 AM

sophiaLA See my TER Reviews 766 reads
posted
3 / 26

Thanks mrfisher *sniffle* I thought as much but since blacklists are permanent I wanted to get other opinions and be sure. Appreciate it.

harborview 10 Reviews 792 reads
posted
4 / 26

I would be ASHAMED to show up without the donation.  I ONCE forgot my hobby bag in the car...  I immediately told the lady.  I walk very slow & she was still dressed.  I offered to go get it or offered her my keys to go retrieve it off the front seat.  She declined.  But we are old friends...  saw her again just a couple of weeks ago...    
At her insistence we had our play time & walked out arm in arm like lovers.  We reached the cars, I quickly got the donation without sitting into the car.  We clasped hands for a light goodbye kiss, & the donation switched hands.  We each went our own way.    

Back to the OP.  I think he had the money...  he just didn't want to give it to you.  You'd already showed you could be plaid for $50.  He tried for the whole enchilada & was successful.  You'll never hear from him again.  What a CREAP!  I view these affairs as a contract & I am almost paranoid that I'd screw up.  Because I would drive back to give it to her.  

It's GUYs like this that spoil it & force gal to get paid in advance & count the money.  You could do that.  Probably should.  If he stiffed you before the agency would have blacklisted him in a heartbeat.  
At the very least, you should have asked how much he had on him.  First the wallet.  Then the hidden spot in the wallet, then his pockets, then his coat.  He was Full of Shit.  What a slime ball.  I better stop.  I might get Moderated for saying what I think.

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 613 reads
posted
5 / 26

Send him a reminder to paypal you the money. I wouldn't see him again if I were you, but don't tell him that yet, since there is a small chance he will still make good, but zero chance once you tell him you won't see him anymore. On the other hand, after stiffing you twice he probably has no intention of seeing you again anyway. Do you still have any communication?

As for blacklisting, while that might help protect other ladies from a scammer, it could come back and bite you too. Since you mentioned the possibility of him depositing funds directly into your account, sounds like he has personal info on you. Does he know where you live? Does he have your personal info? Can he out you or hurt you? Think about that before blacklisting

sophiaLA See my TER Reviews 630 reads
posted
6 / 26

Yes it's these kind of things that make emails short and curt and providers count money before even smiling. The thing is every relationship with a reg is vastly different and I am an excellent judge of character. Some regs you see for years and it's always just business and some you really get to know.  

Yeah it sucks to be ripped off but more than anything my feelings are hurt because whether it's permanent or he's just an idiot there's a lack of respect for me as a human being. I know it's how many men feel about providers deep down but it still stings when you come into contact with it. Until I become jaded I guess.

sophiaLA See my TER Reviews 547 reads
posted
7 / 26

No perfectstorm. He doesn't have any personal info except all the places I'm ticklish :) With my bank you can give your account number and people can deposit no info given or questions asked. That's what we initially agreed on. The next day he said he couldn't figure out blah blah blah and do I have paypal. I said yes and sent the email associated with my paypal. It was his fucking idea. I really don't think it's a malicious rip off, just a rude/stoner/on his time not mine rip off.  

I think there is such thing as being too gfe. Too nice, let the sex be too passionate the convo too personal and some get it into their heads that we really are in some cool relaxed dating scenario. I'm still learning

DJ1985 21 Reviews 660 reads
posted
8 / 26

While it's a terribile thing to get played and ripped off, which is just what he did to you. A worse thing would be for you to become so jaded you think all your clients are like that and feel the same disrespect for you. If you loose the ability to trust and connect with your guys this job will eat you up and its not worth the damage those feelings could do to you.

palomamontecarlo See my TER Reviews 597 reads
posted
9 / 26

Otherwise tell him you will be glad to send him to the most terrifying place on earth for guys scamming providers, every blacklist in the planet..We don't run tabs, my landlord won't buy that..
Sorry this happen to you! It is cause of these bad guys that we lose faith on people.. In God we trust..everybody else pays cash!

BigBoyPants 5 Reviews 594 reads
posted
10 / 26

I'm with Harbor.  I view these interactions as a contract and get nervous about screwing it up.  I check my cash stash a few times on the way and make sure I not only have it but have enough.  Hell I plan my encounters a week or two ahead of time and have the appropriate amount on me until the time arrives.

Don't get jaded.  Avoid the A-holes.  You un-jaded ladies make this hobby so wonderful.

And although you are probably correct. I can speak for at least one hobbyist (myself) that the lack of respect for you as a human being isn't endemic.  I enjoy the humanity and closeness aspect as much, if not more, than the sexual aspect.  I would not want to see a woman, much like dating in real life, that I did not respect.

keystonekid 114 Reviews 628 reads
posted
11 / 26

again.

IMHO, you need to improve your business practices ASAP.  Specifically, put donation protocol on your website regarding envelope, going to the restroom to wash his hands while you verify the envelope contents, etc.  

This hobby is about trust and respect and he obviously doesn't have any respect for you and you are too trusting of him.

harborview 10 Reviews 616 reads
posted
12 / 26

First dates, always.  
Some gals invite the client to wash up, leaving the donation in the room & she verifies it or even removes it (so it can't be tampered with).  Or instruct it be left in the bathroom & you go in after him & deal with it...  put it out of sight.  

I personally love the old school technique...  a chair by her dresser for my clothes, my pocket junk nearby on the dresser.  I find it so much better to dress without my pockets full & unlikely to have something fall out.  So what does this have to do with the donation?  I have the correct donation ready, held together with a paper clip.  I carry it in my key pocket.  It is the first thing on the dresser, with my pocket junk & wallet partly over it.  When I redress, I refill my pockets leaving the donation behind.  My Favs are cool with this.    
(Ever watch the old Gunsmoke...  that's how it was done...)  
I do not watch it but in the back & forth of dressing & bathroom, sometimes I notice it's gone before I leave...  other times not...  or I don't notice.  It extends the GFE a bit further.  But a gal should never wonder if she's going to get the donation.  If she does, she should pick it up & secure it.

lisaluvs See my TER Reviews 635 reads
posted
13 / 26

Hi Sophia,  
Wow, not nice.  I hate to say it but it sounds like he pulled a fast one on you.  He should have sent via PayPal immediately.  I too have had friends forget to leave etc and they are embarrassed and bend over backwards to correct.  That's in the honest forgot situation.  I also had someone short me " a lot" because I didn't count up front etc. I didn't contact him just chalked it up as a shame on me but he wasn't a regular friend. This man is taking advantage and that's unfair to you and all the men that do the RIGHT thing.  As far as blacklist; definitely on the private one I don’t use the NB...... it's on the drop down of the blacklist for this exact reason.  If he pulled it once, he will pull it again I would warn others.

FlaSailorRon 24 Reviews 439 reads
posted
14 / 26

He's playing you, but make your own decision.

AnotherDonJohn 604 reads
posted
15 / 26

The detail about it going sour when you went Indy told me all I needed to know.
Plenty of cautionary tales of guys trying to cut side deals with agency girls on the cheap then pulling these IOUs.
I didnt understand why you didn't walk him to the ATM afterward.
If it had been a legit situation where he just let himself overspend more than he brought, he would have insisted making it right. Immediately. No credit, iou's, receivables in this business.
I agree about not meeting him but PayPal itself has issues.
Unfortunately I see only a 1 in 10 chance overall you get your money back.
That's only if he thinks he can settle up and still go on doing it.  
Give him a short leash to get you the money then bag and tag the asshole.
Bad lesson learned.

-- Modified on 3/4/2014 1:30:49 AM

Roxie_Jabulani 571 reads
posted
16 / 26

I totally empathize for you. I had a regular client that eventually did a no call no show and needless to say I had to blacklist him. I understand with regulars, that trust is built, but unfortunately, some people will take total advantage of that trust. I would have definitely been suspicious of him with him being $50 short. In my experience, clients are never accidentally short.

FlaSailorRon 24 Reviews 553 reads
posted
17 / 26

I had a certain amount of cash on me.  So much for my date and the rest for myself.  It wasn't an equal amount.  My donation was to be 100 more than what I had for myself.  I counted it, then ended up putting the donation in my wallet and my cash in her envelope.  Oops.

sophiaLA See my TER Reviews 617 reads
posted
18 / 26

for the advice. It is appreciated and not lost on me. He did deposit what he owed me in full this morning.  
I won't be seeing him again.  

I knew it was  
a)I got played and would never hear from him again…or
b)he just doesn't respect me enough to be on time with his end of the bargain/thinks we're pals or some shit.

The reason I didn't go to the atm to answer everyone is because while it was risky I didn't want anymore IOU's. He would not be able to pull the full amount which means x amount would carry over. Then I'd have to be the score keeper and memory is conveniently bad with the person that owes often. It was all or nothing. Send what you owe in full. Knew it was a dice roll.

Once the bar has been set this low for a client like this one it's impossible to crack the whip and raise it back to standard. Lesson learned. For any future clients out there don't be offended but nothing happens till envelope amount is established and put away.  
Thanks again everyone :)

Sooo...YouWanna 531 reads
posted
19 / 26

I'm so sorry. I had a couple agency clients go bad too when I went Indy. It's like they suddenly feel like they have no reason to be scared anymore :-(

I just hope the next girl he does this to is bat shit crazy and shows up at his work screaming to high heaven about it. Guys think that's suuuuch a breach, but you know what? Some of them deserve it.

harborview 10 Reviews 691 reads
posted
20 / 26

I am glad you got your money owed.  My hat's off to you in fact because I was betting that you'd never see a dime.  I am glad I was proven wrong but you surely did not need the stress...  and to be disrespected like that.  Everybody knows to bring the money with them

tinhobbyist 46 Reviews 667 reads
posted
21 / 26

Glad you got it all worked out and got your money back.  And definitely you should not be seeing him again.  He just doesn't respect you enough...

It is unfortunate that things have come to this, but as you said, you learned a valuable lesson and know not to let your emotions and feelings cloud your business sense.

sophiaLA See my TER Reviews 546 reads
posted
22 / 26

Posted By: Sooo...YouWanna
I'm so sorry. I had a couple agency clients go bad too when I went Indy. It's like they suddenly feel like they have no reason to be scared anymore :-(  
   
 I just hope the next girl he does this to is bat shit crazy and shows up at his work screaming to high heaven about it. Guys think that's suuuuch a breach, but you know what? Some of them deserve it.
You are quickly becoming a fav of mine. Kinda girl platonic crushing on you crazy clit. Can I call you that? No disrespect lady of leisure...

QueenBia See my TER Reviews 651 reads
posted
23 / 26

Classic act of regulars who think they are sexy & great in bed, so they should be free right?  Wrong you get your $ & stop acting, like this is not your business.  Let him know upfront you will not tolerate the bs it was fine before, so nothing should change now.  If not require a deposit to book him.

brilove See my TER Reviews 713 reads
posted
24 / 26

He was a regular of mine for well over a year and was one of those that I felt comfortable with and didn't always get the money up front. I didn't have any problems for well over a year then one night he was short by a hundred. Said he would make it up next time but by then forgot. About a month or so later he was short by half (ATM bs as well). Offered that we could get the money in the morning if I stayed overnight and he would pay me extra. I chose to go home and said that I would come back the next day and get the money. Of course he wasn't available the next day or for 3 days but finally on the 4th day I drove to his house and he had it. I was so angry because I felt disrespected and taken advantage of so I avoided him for a of couple months. I did not say that I wouldn't see him; I just said that I was booked or too busy. Finally he got the hint and apologized for how he treated me and asked what he needed to do to get me to come see him again. I told him that my rates had increased since I first saw him and that since I lived a little further away I would have to apply a travel rate as well.  Not only did he pay the increased rate but also started tipping as well.  

I think he started to feel since he was a regular he deserved a break or discount, which he did get since he was paying my original rate not the increased rate nor was I charging him a travel fee. I think he also felt entitled to a free session but I reminded him jokingly that this isn't Starbucks and there's no buy 9 and get one free.

I'm glad you got your money!!

crazyshit 581 reads
posted
25 / 26

You wouldn't seek his company without compensation, and he wouldn't be able to get it without compensating.  Those are the cold, hard facts.

Your have a stated compensation rate, and this should not be rocket science to the guy.

I don't ever agree with shaking down someone by posting their information, so don't do that.  But you can tell other providers that he is a lousy client when it comes to honoring terms, and you can remind him that he breached the terms.

In the end, you got your money, but it sucked having to go through this, and you decided not to see him again.

Live and learn.

Sorry you had to go through that.  I appreciated my time with you and find you to be very fair.

Hope this doesn't blow back on the rest of us who do value your time (no pun intended).

floyd1039 10 Reviews 524 reads
posted
26 / 26

I also hate this happened to you. One bad apple rots the whole bunch. My second, third and fourth fears are, miscounting the money, mishandling the money, and staying overtime, because I only have the agreed on money available. Sounds like ho pooped in his cornflakes. I think you are the better person for how you are handling it.

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